Quartermaster knives

Damn shame about the issues with Warren Thomas because Quartermaster actually makes a good product. Their designs aren't for everybody, but that is the wonderful thing about the knife industry, there are a million styles, price ranges, and different knives. If you don't like something you can just buy something else. Sitting there and making sure everybody knows you hate something is just childish. Adults state their dislike, and move on. I see so many people just sitting there hating on Quartermaster so hard, complaining about the names, saying their country of origin is dishonest, saying they lie about materials, saying the designs are horrible... No other company gets this kind of a raging hate-on going except when people talk about the owners of Strider. The thing with Quartermaster is that all of the hating (aside from designs, I will concede those to being a "niche" style) is PURE SPECULATION.

If you want to talk about the Warren Thomas issue, fine. That is a real issue, but quite masquerading speculation as fact. This is not Fox News, and spreading speculation does NOTHING beneficial.
 
dkb45 said:
Damn shame about the issues with Warren Thomas because Quartermaster actually makes a good product. Their designs aren't for everybody, but that is the wonderful thing about the knife industry, there are a million styles, price ranges, and different knives. If you don't like something you can just buy something else. Sitting there and making sure everybody knows you hate something is just childish. Adults state their dislike, and move on. I see so many people just sitting there hating on Quartermaster so hard, complaining about the names, saying their country of origin is dishonest, saying they lie about materials, saying the designs are horrible... No other company gets this kind of a raging hate-on going except when people talk about the owners of Strider. The thing with Quartermaster is that all of the hating (aside from designs, I will concede those to being a "niche" style) is PURE SPECULATION.

If you want to talk about the Warren Thomas issue, fine. That is a real issue, but quite masquerading speculation as fact. This is not Fox News, and spreading speculation does NOTHING beneficial.
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Believe me, any company that pulls this kind of garbage is gonna get some heat!

(Wayeah Knives & Tools Co., Ltd. shipped to Copiousity Llc aboard ocean vessel Mol Matrix loaded at Yantian, China (Mainland) and discharged at Los Angeles, California on July 9, 2013. The cargo was described as: pocket knife **this shipment contains no solid wood packing materials** ...)
 
After reading this thread and seeing dealers selling this brand as Origin USA, it makes me wonder if dealers are aware of this scam?
 
Advertised as made in the USA! Maybe a B/F's Dealer will weigh in on this ?
[video=youtube;nMI6HC5g9HM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMI6HC5g9HM[/video]
 
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Skyhorse,

We have made multiple inquiries about these knives to try and resolve this question. We have been told repeatedly that these knives are USA made. Since that is what we have been told, it is what we put on our listing. We have no other way to verify country of origin.
 
More information comes out, wow. I really want to believe the best of QTRMSTR, but it is coming straight from Warren Thomas himself that they are thieves. Perhaps someone should alert G&G Hawk about their shady dealings since they "collaborated" with them also.

I have owned 3 QTRMSTR knives, the QTR-1tt, the QTR-6, and the QSE-5tt. I have since sold the QSE-5tt, since I could not in good conscience feel right using it if the design was stolen. Shame, because it was a great little knife. The other two knives are good as well, but if the "made in usa" part is also a lie, then I will avoid further purchases in the future.

QTRMSTR does so well at social media and offering good deals to their followers on instagram and such, and the customer service is very good - sad to see otherwise unethical practices sully their name, even if it is deserved. There were several knives from them I was going to purchase from them soon too- the NRA Tiburon, and the upcoming Boss Hog. But for some pricey knives, not worth the risk if they turn out to be Chinese produced.

But yes, over my time here at Bladeforums and elsewhere, Jared West and Mantis/Quartermaster has been always treated with scorn since the whole mantis militia thing. A ton more scrutiny than any other knife company out there. But if that scorn is rightfully earned... disappointing...
 
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BladeHQ said:
Skyhorse,

We have made multiple inquiries about these knives to try and resolve this question. We have been told repeatedly that these knives are USA made. Since that is what we have been told, it is what we put on our listing. We have no other way to verify country of origin.
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Thank you kindly for you're reply. I would like anyone reading this post to understand that the questionable made in the USA claim by QTRMSTR would be their responsibility. If I was a Dealer, I'd surely be upset to find out otherwise. I've been looking for this knife factory they claim to have in Texas as well as the American workers employed by said factory. I don't see one shred of evidence to validate their claim. Someone please correct me if I'm missing something .
 
Honestly, I don't care where Quartermaster makes their knives. The materials are good, and the quality can command a higher price without question. My Murdock is built as well, if not better, than any other knife I have. If they made a Murdock with 1/8" blade stock and a FFG, it could be an absolutely immaculate EDC.

I'm not too happy with them possibly lying, but their customer service is great, repair times are fast, their prices are good, and their quality is great. Complain about what you want, they hit all of the requirements I have for a good company.
 
dkb45 said:
Honestly, I don't care where Quartermaster makes their knives. The materials are good, and the quality can command a higher price without question. My Murdock is built as well, if not better, than any other knife I have. If they made a Murdock with 1/8" blade stock and a FFG, it could be an absolutely immaculate EDC.

I'm not too happy with them possibly lying, but their customer service is great, repair times are fast, their prices are good, and their quality is great. Complain about what you want, they hit all of the requirements I have for a good company.
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I have no problem with knives made in mainland China but my requirements for a good company are far different than yours.
 
sh00ter01 said:
Sounds like WT needs to lawyer up and take the fight to Jared if this is the case.
Wonder if anyone was consulted before Jared started producing a copy of Massad Ayoob's design that he had worked up with Spyderco?
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WT can't even afford a good lawyer, he's been saving. Mr. West basically destroyed his life and negated the majority of his income.

dkb45 said:
Damn shame about the issues with Warren Thomas because Quartermaster actually makes a good product. Their designs aren't for everybody, but that is the wonderful thing about the knife industry, there are a million styles, price ranges, and different knives. If you don't like something you can just buy something else.... ....This is not Fox News, and spreading speculation does NOTHING beneficial.
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But their designs aren't even their own... and it is NOT speculation. As stated earlier, I have first hand experience with the dealings between WT and JW. Please don't support thieves and liars, you seem more reasonable than that.

skyhorse said:
Thank you kindly for you're reply. I would like anyone reading this post to understand that the questionable made in the USA claim by QTRMSTR would be their responsibility. If I was a Dealer, I'd surely be upset to find out otherwise. I've been looking for this knife factory they claim to have in Texas as well as the American workers employed by said factory. I don't see one shred of evidence to validate their claim. Someone please correct me if I'm missing something .
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You won't find any American workers or a Texas facility, because there is none. Mantis OEMed their knives out to various Chinese mfgs. and covered their tracks well. Why would Quartermaster be any different? As of about one year ago, Jared was still having parts and whole knives delivered to him - do you really think he managed to start up a fully-featured manufacturing facility (that has no address) within that time?

dkb45 said:
...they hit all of the requirements I have for a good company.
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Good companies honor their contracts, don't steal designs, and don't lie to their customers. I fail to see how they hit ANY requirements for a good company.
 
BladeHQ said:
Skyhorse,

We have made multiple inquiries about these knives to try and resolve this question. We have been told repeatedly that these knives are USA made. Since that is what we have been told, it is what we put on our listing. We have no other way to verify country of origin.
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This shipping manifest should be verification imho V
(Wayeah Knives & Tools Co., Ltd. shipped to Copiousity Llc aboard ocean vessel Mol Matrix loaded at Yantian, China (Mainland) and discharged at Los Angeles, California on July 9, 2013. The cargo was described as: pocket knife **this shipment contains no solid wood packing materials** ...) V

COPIOUSITY LLC, 227 TURKEY DR, DRIPPING SPRINGS ...
 
skyhorse said:
This shipping manifest should be verification imho V
(Wayeah Knives & Tools Co., Ltd. shipped to Copiousity Llc aboard ocean vessel Mol Matrix loaded at Yantian, China (Mainland) and discharged at Los Angeles, California on July 9, 2013. The cargo was described as: pocket knife **this shipment contains no solid wood packing materials** ...) V

COPIOUSITY LLC, 227 TURKEY DR, DRIPPING SPRINGS ...
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Interestingly enough...

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/227-Turkey-Dr-Dripping-Springs-TX-78620/2142526891_zpid/

Taken from Quartermaster's website...
The 6-acre complex is under 24 hour surveillance using recently de-classified thermal imaging sensors.The 8,500 square foot facility is home to multiple design studios, think-tanks & a 3,000 sq ft shop floor. However, a medical-grade clean room and a 3 story-high knife museum with a biometric-scanner that allows/denies access are likely to be considered the highlights of our facility.

The house on Zillow was the image initially used on quartermasters about page. And the lot is six acres. I wonder how one would be able to access the "three story knife museum".
 
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All the "Repairs" Ive heard of have been a complete replacement of knife. While cool w/ the practice, I wonder if thats an indication of actual "knife making/assembling/tuning, techs" or lack of...As opposed to a few shipping/receiving employee's.
 
Isn't it illegal to state a product is made in the usa if it isn't? Is there some loophole being taken advantage of to get around this without repercussions? Kinda confused on this whole spectrum of legal rules.......
 
jbmonkey said:
Isn't it illegal to state a product is made in the usa if it isn't? Is there some loophole being taken advantage of to get around this without repercussions? Kinda confused on this whole spectrum of legal rules.......
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There's a loophole which allows for the branding of something to be made in the USA as long as it's X amount produced here or something like that.

I don't have to worry about it as I buy from reputable makers but still the fact of the matter remains that someone along the line is deceiving someone.
 
ibute21 said:
There's a loophole which allows for the branding of something to be made in the USA as long as it's X amount produced here or something like that.

I don't have to worry about it as I buy from reputable makers but still the fact of the matter remains that someone along the line is deceiving someone.
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This is how Mantis was calling some of their knives US made. Basically you can have US employees putting pocket clips on, or just screwing the knife together and it is technically US made (slightly). Other companies have done this for a lot of products.

I didn't know about the whole thing with Warren Thomas. I knew about the stolen designs, which is bad but it happens. Stealing designs from somebody in a financial pinch is insult to injury. It kind of sounds like they knew WT can't afford a good lawyer, making him an easy target. This could be pure speculation, but this whole situation is starting to stink to me. I wasn't going to buy and Quartermaster knives for a while anyway, but it now looks like my reason is more than there being super cool knives from other companies coming out (like the S110V Manix). I really can't state how much of a shame it is since Quartermaster, regardless of the origin, has some pretty damn good knives.
 
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