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I was asking SOGMASTER because I know someone who has one for sale, just trying to help someone round out their collection.
Why do you ask?
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SOG QUESTION: ANY OTHER SERIOUS SOG COLLECTORS OUT THERE?
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I was asking SOGMASTER because I know someone who has one for sale, just trying to help someone round out their collection.
Why do you ask?
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Because this isn't the exchange, which is the only place where buying, selling, or trading is allowed. He's a gold member, you can always PM him privately with your question.
And if you are asking somebody something, make sure to reply to their post so everyone knows what you are doing.
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Im not the one selling the knife, so its not on the exchange I was just trying to help someone who likes SOG's find one that isn't as easy to find but its ok I just wont do that anymore.
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No worries. Just send him a PM.Im not the one selling the knife, so its not on the exchange I was just trying to help someone who likes SOG's find one that isn't as easy to find but its ok I just wont do that anymore.
That's fine. But expressing your opinion in the form of a universal declaration such as "[SOG] will never be accepted back in the enthusiast community" crosses the line. I certainly consider myself a member of the knife enthusiast community, and I hold no such view.
This isn't directed at you specifically, craytab, but I would remind some of the members of this forum that what they read on these boards and elsewhere on the Internet is not always the prevailing opinion, but sometimes rather the loudest opinion of people who are the most outspoken. People who write a lot--or more frequently, or with the most conviction--don't necessarily reflect the majority view. Many of us don't have the time, energy, and/or inclination to speak up in every thread.
I have followed it. And I read with interest some of your observations about SOG's knives. My critiques of the responses were not aimed at you. But do you honestly believe that the thread has "evolved" in a direction that in any way was in keeping with the OP's original intent? If anything, I'd say that it was derailed by sob stories rather than enhanced by discussion of the original topic. SOGMASTER already said he was aware of the criticisms of SOG. Seeing as his topic wasn't "What do you think of SOG?" to begin with, I would hardly say the conversation has followed his behest.
Maybe SOG does have a bad reputation that the company has earned. I'm neither an SOG fan nor a detractor. My contention is simply that a guy who joins the Forums in good faith to discuss his favorite knife brand doesn't deserve to have his thread filled with chronic complaints that would be better addressed to SOG Customer Service.
Back on topic (slightly). SOG still makes some excellent, acquisition-worthy knives. I bought this Spec-Elite II last year. It is a fantastic pocket knife!
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Of course I am not speaking for every member individually. That idea is ridiculous. I do however stand by my opinion that SOG as a brand will not be accepted here as a whole, much like CRKT. My opinion has been formed through participating here for many years. My opinion has also been formed by my first hand experience with the product. And lastly, my opinion has been informed with knowledge of what SOG has done over the years, the sogzilla incident being a prime example. Folks who care about copying will never let that one be lived down.
It is the prevailing opinion here. If you think otherwise that is fine, but it is wrong. Again, just my opinion.
Then I do not believe you have followed the thread closely enough. Please reread. Threads evolve. The OP started talking about how there aren't many SOG fans here. I addressed his concern with my opinion based on my observations and experiences. This is how a forum works.
It does. That was my point in explaining why the OP isn't finding many serious collectors here to talk with.
This is a place we share our opinions. It is a forum. If people don't want to hear opinions on a subject that might be sensitive to them, the internet will not be a safe space. In regards to BFC specifically, many of the top manufacturers have their own forum that they can moderate to only be rainbows and unicorns if they so chose. That is not what GNK is. Here we can speak our mind. SOG has one of these forums. The OP has posted this same thread there. The representative who is supposedly moderating that sub-forum hasn't logged on in 5 years. They know this forum, and the enthusiast community is not where their bread is getting buttered.
I have the same knife, all be it an earlier version. It is a fantastic knife! I also have the smaller one. Like I said before, SOG can make a fine product if they so chose!
-Steve
Wow! This thread has certainly snowballed 
Discussions about sog knives "the company" is a facinating subject for many here i gather.
Sog knife products have certainly evolved from the early spencer days to the current
mind boggling array of products with its many varied product design directions
so largely distant from that of the highly venerated golden seki years.
Well, for what its worth, every dog or in this case sog has or had its day.
But what is life without hope?
Great, i suppse good things might come to those who wait...
Collectors are a perculiar breed.
Seeing that they are very specific in what is seen as collectable or not to them.
They even have favorites in which they specialize in.
Simply put, they are not cut from the same cloth as ordinary knife users.
As they are willing to pay good money for even the oldest of knives to add to their collection.
Which might seem unthinkble to steel junkies or fashion trendy gadget snobs
So, to all who collect sog brand knives of past or present
you know exactly what which matters most to your collections;
And i m thinking its what which fires your sense of collector's passion the best.
Just my 2 centz.
Discussions about sog knives "the company" is a facinating subject for many here i gather.
Sog knife products have certainly evolved from the early spencer days to the current
mind boggling array of products with its many varied product design directions
so largely distant from that of the highly venerated golden seki years.
Well, for what its worth, every dog or in this case sog has or had its day.
But what is life without hope?
Great, i suppse good things might come to those who wait...
Collectors are a perculiar breed.
Seeing that they are very specific in what is seen as collectable or not to them.
They even have favorites in which they specialize in.
Simply put, they are not cut from the same cloth as ordinary knife users.
As they are willing to pay good money for even the oldest of knives to add to their collection.
Which might seem unthinkble to steel junkies or fashion trendy gadget snobs
So, to all who collect sog brand knives of past or present
you know exactly what which matters most to your collections;
And i m thinking its what which fires your sense of collector's passion the best.
Just my 2 centz.
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QUESTION: ANY OTHER SERIOUS SOG COLLECTORS OUT THERE?
I tend to agree with Whip relative to the purpose of this thread and the thread wander. Thread wander is okay as far as I'm concerned in general as it makes things interesting.
I have my personal opinions about SOG and when I first joined BF, I was seriously interested in SOG knives. Never became a collector, but I do have a number of them from the pre-2010 time period and some are pre-2000.
I tend to agree with Whip relative to the purpose of this thread and the thread wander. Thread wander is okay as far as I'm concerned in general as it makes things interesting.
I have my personal opinions about SOG and when I first joined BF, I was seriously interested in SOG knives. Never became a collector, but I do have a number of them from the pre-2010 time period and some are pre-2000.
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I’ve been following this thread intermittently and think it’s great!
I hope you stick around, O OnlySOG as I like reading your historical perspective on the brand.
I’ve seen some interviews with Spencer Frazier on Y-Tube & in print and found them fascinating. The heritage and history, especially the early history, of SOG is really interesting.
back in the late 80’s I had a buddy that worked at Plaza Cutlery. Memories from that long ago are subject to drift, but as I recall they had quite a few really amazing SOG fixed blades on display.
I have 3 “modern” SOGs that I’ve used the crap out of and have served me well, a Flash II, a Zoom-mini, & a gen1 Bladelight. I also have an old-school micro-Tool from the early ‘90’s that is super cool. I could elaborate on why they’re great and where they could improve, but the bottom line is I like them regardless of what the “community” thinks. I’ll even post a pic every now and again. My good experience with these knives is one of the reasons I’m a knife enthusiast now.
I agree with the sentiment that much of their current line is hard to justify over the competition price-wise...and IMO this is particularly true at the very low end. I Don’t think it was a good thing for the brand to try to go there.
Seems to me there has been a lot of unnecessary emotion in this thread. I hope it stays open, as it’s a good thread (and I hope to see O OnlySOG back).
I hope you stick around, O OnlySOG as I like reading your historical perspective on the brand.
I’ve seen some interviews with Spencer Frazier on Y-Tube & in print and found them fascinating. The heritage and history, especially the early history, of SOG is really interesting.
back in the late 80’s I had a buddy that worked at Plaza Cutlery. Memories from that long ago are subject to drift, but as I recall they had quite a few really amazing SOG fixed blades on display.
I have 3 “modern” SOGs that I’ve used the crap out of and have served me well, a Flash II, a Zoom-mini, & a gen1 Bladelight. I also have an old-school micro-Tool from the early ‘90’s that is super cool. I could elaborate on why they’re great and where they could improve, but the bottom line is I like them regardless of what the “community” thinks. I’ll even post a pic every now and again. My good experience with these knives is one of the reasons I’m a knife enthusiast now.
I agree with the sentiment that much of their current line is hard to justify over the competition price-wise...and IMO this is particularly true at the very low end. I Don’t think it was a good thing for the brand to try to go there.
Seems to me there has been a lot of unnecessary emotion in this thread. I hope it stays open, as it’s a good thread (and I hope to see O OnlySOG back).
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Yes, collectors are definitely a valuable resource. They bring a perspective that your average user simply doesn't have. They also tend to be a wealth of information:
I pulled this post from SOGMASTER's identical thread in the SOG subforum. I had no idea that this many versions of Recondos existed. I also had never even visited the SOG subforum prior to Jay starting this thread here in General Knife Discussion.
So what has this thread accomplished? As a "community" we told an SOG collector that he really needs to go somewhere besides Blade Forums or else hang out in the SOG subforum if he doesn't want his brand trashed (because that's what GKD is for, right?). Inside of a week, we managed to alienate (and possibly run off for good) someone who might have added tremendously to our knowledge of a knife brand and its history. But, hey, at least we now know that SOG Specialty Knives ain't what it used to be and that SOG knives don't rate with real knife enthusiasts.
I also hope that SOGMASTER decides to return to Blade Forums. I wouldn't blame him if he didn't, though.
-Steve
P.S. - No need for anyone to ever ask me why I'm not a paying member of Blade Forums. This thread demonstrates my reasons quite clearly.
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I would have to agree. Sog has had a rich history, no reason to trash them.
I'll will look at some Son's again. It's been awhile. I heading to blade show west and I think Sog will be there.
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The guy is very enthusiastic about SOG knives and from what I read in this thread previously, also seems to have a lot of knowledge regarding the brand, particularly of it's earlier products and history. That's sincerely cool and if that's what floats his boat, more power to him. However, when he was asking if there are any other serious SOG collectors on this site and it was explained to him why there may not be, the rest of us who don't fall into his extremely enthusiastic camp aren't really to blame for his disenchantment with our lack of similar enthusiasm.
Rightly or wrongly, a lot of people here don't care for what SOG currently does or represents because of their own personal negative experiences that they've had with the company's products or from deciding they don't want to spend their money on products that they fail to see the value in - Sogzilla topic aside. That's not our fault, that's the company's fault.
General Knife Discussion should mean just that, general discussion about knives in my opinion. Off the top of my head, I can list three other companies that I have seen receive criticism here in GKD: Benchmade for their QC in recent years (and I would consider them to be one of my preferred knife companies), ColdSteel for their marketing (among other things), and Gerber for a lot of the same reasons that people here take issue with SOG actually. Do you think those critiques and criticisms are also unwarranted? Do you also think they shouldn't be mentioned in GKD just because some may like/love those brands?
While I'm not wishing that SOGMASTER leaves this place for good (unless he doesn't want to come back), I also have no wish for those sharing their thoughts to censor any criticisms they may have concerning products and brands. At the very least, they help inform myself when it comes time to make my own decisions regarding purchases in this hobby.
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Op was asking if there are any Sog collector's out there. A positive thread for Sog enthusiasts. I don't see anything wrong with a decent thread. It turned into a bashing.
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I have a Government with leather sheath,a Sog Tech II Bowie with 1/4 inch blade, kraton handle and brass guard with a web sheath, and Northwest Ranger with serations, all Seki made, I believe before 2000. The Government is one of my favorites but I was afraid to put it to work. I believe it was 440A. Just stating what I have, not for sale, only to share info.
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Yes they can be! What is the extent of your SOG collecting history?
If you are a SOG fan you should go there. Lots of good threads with pictures started by SOG fans.
Brands get what they get here in GKD. If we want an open and honest community we need to be able to talk about the not so nice things as well as the good.
Like it or not I explained why the OP wasn't getting the reaction he was expecting. And this was coming from a SOG fan and collector. I think your reaction on this subject is misplaced. Can we not have a rational discussion on this subject? There is a major difference between what SOG is and what SOG was. Look at all the posts praising the SOG of old, including mine. If we can't talk about what SOG is now, in relation to why there aren't more serious collectors here, what sort of censored community do we have? If folks are so negligent to not realize what SOG has become, they will inevitably get their feelings hurt when discussing this brand on the internet.
Sorry, but that is just childish. If one can't talk frankly about a subject then it might be better to go elsewhere.
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Here's a bit of interesting history. SOG claimed their blades were 440a but it was actually AUS6. Link to what @KenHash had to say: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...y-of-the-sog-seal-2000.1326386/#post-15228031
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It's stuff like this that is troublesome for anyone interested in SOG blades. You just don't know what you're getting. These days, the biggest issue is VALUE and I don't think their more expensive fixed blades represent much of a good cost/value comparison. I still like the Twitch series and I still use my Seki Access Card 2.0 at my desk and occasionally as a backup in the woods. It is the kind of blade I take kayaking and keep it in a waterproof box along with my cell phone; but a SAK works too for me. I do keep an inexpensive Gerber River Shorty on my pfd all the time for potential emergencies. It just hangs there and has for years.
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I wouldn't really worry about the steel SOG claims now days. Far too easy to disprove if it is not what is claimed. I was also fine with my Seki SOGs having AUS6.
And what is wrong with knowing that? It's a forum. Big secret...people have varying opinions here. We are grown ups....some of us even own SOG knives..."Our story begins in Vietnam, where members of a highly classified US special ops unit - known as MACV-SOG - carried a unique combat knife into the jungle on covert missions. Years later, in 1986, that knife inspired a young designer, named Spencer Frazer, to found SOG Specialty Knives. His mission: to reproduce the original SOG Bowie knife and pay tribute to the special ops unit that created it."....You'd think fans of that type of knife would be thicker skinned.
For the record, I don't really have a strong opinion of SOG one way or another. I do own one...its ok. I think its a Twitch or Blink?
What I do have opinions on is thinly veiled attempts to promote peoples' knife retail sites without the proper membership level.
I'd certainly like to see the OP return with the appropriate membership level.
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