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- Thread starter Mpdog
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First of all, you cannot undo the feedback you've already left.
Yes, he did change the agreement and you have the option to get your knife back or cross your fingers and hope for the best. It was a smart choice to get your knife back.
Whether it's a sale,trade or buy, always establish a ship/pay time. Don't assume anything. I always tell folks when I can ship and if it's delayed, I've asked the buyer not to pay until I can ship.
You're not 100% in the clear. Because you assumed his knife was being shipped the same day as you shipped, you should have not left negative feedback. That's what GBU is for, to let the community know of any shady deals that take place.
A lot of people read the GBU and from this forum, determine if they'll deal with other members.
I think specifying the timeline of the transaction should've been done before the knife was in transit, so you did the right thing to be concerned and intercept. However, leaving feedback without exchanging anything is not allowed by the rules of the forum, so I think you ran into some trouble there. I don't think the other guy is fully at fault either, since he might've made the assumption that the unwritten rules of the trade forum allowed for him to receive the knife before sending out his own, an honest mistake. Not communicating that beforehand was the only mistake in my opinion.
traumkommode
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Yikes! Didn't realize it cost that much to stop a package... That's good information to know.
Ok, so I can't take the feedback back but I'd like compensation for my time and money if I could. Otherwise I think the feedback would help others. All might have went well but maybe I would have been out a $400+ knife. Pure speculation but a gamble I didn't want to make after the time organic556 said he would ship the next day at 830 and then changed it to Sunday or Monday. That would have been after my knife was received by the way
This often interpreted fine print in the feedback system has always bothered me. If a deal was struck, and at least one party executed based on agreed terms, I would call that a deal. It may not have been "completed" by both parties, but if enough time has passed to show that the other party has no intention of honoring, I would still call that a completed deal, just with a bad outcome. If in reality both parties must execute within terms to call it a deal (and only then be able to leave feedback), then the scum and crooks cannot be brought to light. I'm not speaking specifically of the outcome of this case as it's still new, but rather on the general consensus that no one leave feedback "unless" everyone is happy. That only leaves a skewed version of the feedback system listing only the "happy" people.
The only reason I bring it up here is that it seems that every time someone has an issue with another person not honoring a struck deal, there are a plethora of people coming out to say that no feedback be left even though you just got taken. I feel that if one person has executed based on a documented agreement, then the deal was consummated even it the other party does not honor. Ok, off soap box.
Mpdog, Organic556 is completely in the wrong for changing the terms of agreement after the fact, in my opinion. If specific timelines for shipping are not specified, in my world that means item will be shipped the next day (except Sunday) by default. Screw that "trying to make it to the Post Office" nonsense. When I do a trade, unless some specific agreement regarding when knives ship, I do not assume that someone is shipping to me for inspection before I ship to them.
Your feedback is this thread. Put his name in the title if you choose.
My impression is simply that communication was lacking from both parties. Your assumption he could be scamming you had no more validity than his assumption you could be scamming him. Both took actions to solve that problem. He held off shipping, you asked for help here.
Get the actual feedback fixed, communicate batter in the future and let this go. Just my suggestion.
My impression is simply that communication was lacking from both parties. Your assumption he could be scamming you had no more validity than his assumption you could be scamming him. Both took actions to solve that problem. He held off shipping, you asked for help here.
Get the actual feedback fixed, communicate batter in the future and let this go. Just my suggestion.
This orgnaic guy is going on the list for what he did but you can't leave feedback for a transaction that was not complete. It is in the rules.
And as for the rules....GO READ THEM! Why people go places, even on the internet, without reading the rules first is beyond me. Likely he will leave you negative retaliatory feedback as well. You will need to petition spark (owner of BFC) to get it removed and as I understand it he is tired of people ignorantly using the feedback system so it will likely stay, which in my opinion it should since you didn't read the rules you agreed to follow when you signed up and started making transactions. Just my opinion.
Here is Section 4, Rule 5 of the Blade Forums Rules: "If a deal did not happen, there is no iTrader Feedback to leave. Sorry if you were inconvenienced, but life is full of disappointments. As long as you are not out any items or money, move along. Consider improving the terms of your sales threads / read the sellers terms carefully in order to avoid this before buying."
I think the part I put in bold above is key here: Mpdog is out $30 because of Organic556, so I think feedback is justified. The rule regarding "no feedback unless the deal was completed" is meant to prevent feedback being left in cases where nothing but promises were exchanged and then broken. This goes beyond that.
I think the part I put in bold above is key here: Mpdog is out $30 because of Organic556, so I think feedback is justified. The rule regarding "no feedback unless the deal was completed" is meant to prevent feedback being left in cases where nothing but promises were exchanged and then broken. This goes beyond that.
Organic556
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Thank you for this response and seeing this issue in a unbiased way. We never agreed to a time . Or day for that matter. You other commentators can only speculate. I said I would try to send it out that day. Which I did. I'm not gonna go into a list of excuses why I couldn't make it to ship cause it's already be listed above. We agreed to trade knives in the identified condition. That's it. Both parties have a right to be suspicious of the other person in the trade. I totally understand that. This was a misunderstanding . But not at all a scam or any other claim you other members are stating. I have had higher dollars trades that I haven't had feedback for yet. I recently sold a sebenza brand new in box for $370. The seller sent me a check before I sent the knife. I recently cashed the check and sent him the new knife. He should get it today or tomorrow. We both agreed to leave feedback once trade was done. If a $370 dollar check sent out to me is not proof of my integrity . Then you guys are just plain silly and have too much time on your hands. I don't have or use PayPal so most of my trades or sales go down exactly like that. Some guys are forgetful in leaving feedback but the guys who have ,say nothing but good things about me. Now can this person claimin against my integrity say the same about himself doing such deals? We are both relitively new members but I have fulfilled more high risk trades. Where the buying party had to fully trust that I would hold up my end of the deal. Which I always have. Now why would I cheat a guy out of a knife I would have a hard time selling for $300 and not a guy who sent me a $370 check? Enough said . For those who see this in my favor thank you and for those who don't who cares do as you will.
So what did you mean then when you said
"Not today i didn't get there in time. I'll have to stop there 830 in the morning"
And then you starting talking about delaying the send because I was new. Why say all that after I put myself out there and ship a 400+ knife to you in good faith.
"Not today i didn't get there in time. I'll have to stop there 830 in the morning"
And then you starting talking about delaying the send because I was new. Why say all that after I put myself out there and ship a 400+ knife to you in good faith.