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- Thread starter Mpdog
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Mpdog, PLEASE don't let this experience discourage you from buying, selling & swapping knives on this forum. I would venture to guess that 95%+++ of the members here are good folks. They make the knife hobby (or addiction) a lot of fun. Many people here bend over backwards to help you out & not necessarily only pertaining to knives. There are only a very very few that have a total lack of self awareness.
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You should have read the Exchange rules first of all. That is your first mistake. It's crystal clear for God's sake, you don;t give feedback unless there has been a completed transaction, period. Retaliatory feedback is going to get you a 20 point 12 month long infraction. All for not reading the rules that you agreed to abide y when you signed up here. Seems to be a common theme with the newbies around the forums lately. So quick on the trigger and can't be bothered to read the rules. That is why we don't issue a warning for this, it goes straight to infraction because it is a huge pain to get it changed. You can't change it by the way, the site owner is the only one that can change it. You need to go to the page where you left feedback and report it, explain you messed up bigtime and didn't read the rules and basically trashed someone's score in one move.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/announcement.php?f=746&a=98
Read the rules for your own benefit.
Section 4.4 and 4.5:
Not exactly. Neither party received the agreed upon items so the deal that was struck was never completed, rendering it null and void. What people need to do is make sure what you are getting into before getting all starry eyed and hopes up. Doing a little due diligence before striking up a conversation involving a double blind trade is a necessity. Providing a negative point blank for a deal that didn't happen is a sure way to ensure people think twice about dealing with the vindictive party.
Wrong again. This is not how we do things here. I'll be one of the first ones on the spot to offer help to make things right, as I've done in the past. But when people start making up their own rules and "stuff" that is when all hell breaks loose. Nope, not going to happen.
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But I was out money though. Someone mentioned those rules and bolded that part a few pages back.
So since I was out money, am I entitled? Did you read the emails on the first page? I also did report it to the mods yesterday so.
So since I was out money, am I entitled? Did you read the emails on the first page? I also did report it to the mods yesterday so.
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Rev - If the "rules" are that no deal is complete until both parties are satisfied, and feedback can't be given unless a deal is completed, how does one ever have anything but perfect feedback? This bias in favor of positive feedback makes the system useless IMO. If it functioned like it should, it wouldn't be necessary to search GBU for stuff that ought to be reflected in feedback.
^ You should take some time & get a better feel for this place, & more importantly, the people you are dealing with- especially when making trades.
When a brand new member joins this forum, & starts participating in transactions of any kind, the first thing they need to do: read, educate yourself & know the rules!!! PERIOD!
You've only been a member here for one month The next time you are involved in a questionable transaction (if there is a next time), heed RevDevil's expert advice, & contact a Moderator. FWIW: I totally agree that Organic was 100% in the wrong for changing the terms of your trade, after your agreement was made. Regardless- the negative feedback that you left was totally unwarranted, & clearly against the rules!
The GBU sub-forum, is the most informative place to start a thread & share your own personal experiences (whether good or bad). This GBU thread has done far worse damage to Organics reputation, than the negative that you left in his I-Trader feedback. I for one, sincerely appreciate the fact that you started this thread, regarding your negative experience with Organic. And because of this thread, I will never deal with this member.
Best of luck OP. In the future, I suggest that you do your due diligence, & get a better feel for whom you're dealing with here- especially involving trades!
vEDIT: Happy Easter. Don't be too hard on yourself- we were all new here at one time, & most of us have made more than our fair share of mistakes. I'm just happy that you're getting your knife back.
Welcome to BladeForums! This is an such awesome place to enjoy this hobby, with so many great people that are more than happy to share their knowledge. I'm sure that you'll fit in great here! :thumbup:
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Understood and I meant no disrespect. I was only agreeing with the other member. My apologies if I came off inappropriate. I've been apart of other sites trading and I will always do unto others as I would have them do me. I'm completely transparent, forthright and always communicate. Set expectations, etc.
Happy Easter
Happy Easter
killgar
Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider
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When the rule says "as long as you are not out any items or money", I always interpreted that to mean the other person has the knife you sent them, or the money you sent them, but they didn't fulfill their end of the deal, either by not sending anything, or sending something other than what they were supposed to send. In other words- getting totally ripped-off.
If paying to have a package intercepted is going to qualify as being out money, what about the cost of postage, or the cost of the tape used to seal the package, or the gasoline one burned driving to the store to buy the tape, or driving to the post office.
As far as the value of feedback, I can imagine several situations where it can be used to provide a negative review. Like for example- the condition of the knife received did not match the provided description. Or, the other party shipped what they said they would ship, but much later than they said they would ship it. Or, the other party either did not reply to emails, or was extremely rude in their emails when the receiver inquired about the whereabouts of their knife/money.
I'm sure there are many scenarios where a deal is completed but one or both parties are not happy about how the deal went down. I assume that is what feedback is for. With the GB&U being for all other complaints.
If paying to have a package intercepted is going to qualify as being out money, what about the cost of postage, or the cost of the tape used to seal the package, or the gasoline one burned driving to the store to buy the tape, or driving to the post office.
As far as the value of feedback, I can imagine several situations where it can be used to provide a negative review. Like for example- the condition of the knife received did not match the provided description. Or, the other party shipped what they said they would ship, but much later than they said they would ship it. Or, the other party either did not reply to emails, or was extremely rude in their emails when the receiver inquired about the whereabouts of their knife/money.
I'm sure there are many scenarios where a deal is completed but one or both parties are not happy about how the deal went down. I assume that is what feedback is for. With the GB&U being for all other complaints.
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In your scenarios, negative feedback could be appropriate for relatively minor transgressions (poor communication even where no one lost anything; late shipping, even where no one lost anything...) I think you'd get dinged if you left it for those things. As I understand the rules, the only time negative feedback would be appropriate is when there was what amounts to fraud in a transaction (failure to send the product after payment; failure to pay after receipt of the product; delivery of a product in a materially different condition than described and refusing to remedy the situation...). I think the things you describe should be the subject of negative feedback. Other members could judge for themselves how seriously to take those issues, based on the entirety of someone's feedback. An eBay style feedback program would be much more useful, eliminate the ambiguity, and would keep users from having to read through GBU threads just to determine whether they want to do business with someone. One man's opinion.
In your scenarios, negative feedback could be appropriate for relatively minor transgressions (poor communication even where no one lost anything; late shipping, even where no one lost anything...) I think you'd get dinged if you left it for those things. As I understand the rules, the only time negative feedback would be appropriate is when there was what amounts to fraud in a transaction (failure to send the product after payment; failure to pay after receipt of the product; delivery of a product in a materially different condition than described and refusing to remedy the situation...). I think the things you describe should be the subject of negative feedback. Other members could judge for themselves how seriously to take those issues, based on the entirety of someone's feedback. An eBay style feedback program would be much more useful, eliminate the ambiguity, and would keep users from having to read through GBU threads just to determine whether they want to do business with someone. One man's opinion.
gonebad395
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I'm sure it's not hard at all to tell ya the truth. But I can tell you what seems hard here is getting some not all but some to do the right things in dealing with others that's what seems hard.
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Yep, that and reading the rules.