Quillon Dagger WIP

Steve thanks for the tip on the jewelers abrasive tape. Great idea for small tight places. By the way I noticed you wearing our friend the optivisor. Do you ever close up shop for the day and walk in the house and realize you still have it on?
Great stuff.
Brion
 
One, I definitely don't have enough tools ,

Yeah, I've bought just about every hand finishing device that I can find. ;)


and two, I don't know if I have" the patience of Job"

No, I couldn't recommend this type of work for folks who have a strong aversion to hours of tedious work. :barf:


By the way I noticed you wearing our friend the optivisor. Do you ever close up shop for the day and walk in the house and realize you still have it on?

No...I don't recall ever going in the house with them. But I often discover that I am still wearing them around the shop long after I am through with the work that I put them on for. Like when you try to put your welding hood on and find that you are still wearing your Optivisors. They do just kinda' become a part of your head. :p
 
I was wondering how you were going to be getting into those tight spots. Now I am looking forward to seeing the next steps.
 
I was wondering how you were going to be getting into those tight spots.

Hey Allen,

Glad you were able to get something useful out of the WIP.

I've been working on the fluting in the ivory handle. I've got a bunch of pictures to edit and post. Been pretty busy in the evenings, so haven't had time to edit them and write captions. I'll get them up soon.

I've made several fluted handles before; all of them in ivory. But, this is the toughest piece of ivory that I have ever worked with. It is very hard and dense, and filing in the fluting has been very hard work. I've had to use a lot of pressure on the files to get them to cut. I don't think I would have worked any harder if I had made the handle from steel...... I sawed this material from a tusk section that was from near the tip of the tusk and there is a lot of cross grain in the piece. Maybe that is why it is so hard and dense?

Anyway, the work is going well on the piece and it looks great. All of the flutes and the wire grooves are roughed in. I'll be straightening up the edges of the flutes and sanding it out today. Hope to have it ready for the wire by the end of the day.
 
That's some good stuff right there Steve! :thumbup:
I am looking forward to the handle fluting part.
Thanks for sharing.
 
I just read through your slip joint WIP over on the ABS site. Good stuff!

Thanks Allen. Glad that you liked it!!

The ivory is now fluted and today I will be working on installing the gold wire. Thought that I had better get to posting some of the work that has been done on the handle......

Earlier in this thread, where I wrote about shaping the handle material, I said that the piece didn't have to be "perfectly symmetrical". I probably shouldn't have been so flippant about the accuracy of the shaping process. While the piece doesn't have to be micrometer exact; it needs to be pretty damn close. Eyeball perfect is how I describe it. Roll it around on the bench, check it in multiple locations along its length with calipers and look it over closely. I can shape the handle material by eye and get it close enough. If you can't do this, then you had better use a lathe or some other process to shape the material. If the piece isn't decently symmetrical, then you will have issues with the spacing and depth of the flutes. I wound up going back to the grinder with my handle material and doing some more work on it before starting the fluting process. Just wanted to make this clear before moving on.

The jig in this photo is the "Flournoy Fluting Fixture". This tool was designed by Master Smith Joe Flournoy. The fixture can be purchased from Al Lawrence (Uncle Al) of Riverside Machine Shop. The device has a wheel with 12 evenly spaced holes drilled through it to accept a pin. The pin stops on the frame of the fixture to locate the handle material. A pencil holder is provided to mark lines on the handle material. The intended use of the fixture is to mark evenly spaced lines lengthwise on the handle material. Then, evenly spaced lines are marked around the circumference of the material by spinning the material against the pencil. This creates a grid of squares on the material. Drawing a lines across the corners of the squares creates spiral lines around the handle material. This fixture is handy to use for laying out simple spirals, but is almost essential for laying out gain fluting.

Since not everyone has this fixture and perhaps do not want to purchase one, I decided to demonstrate an alternate method of lines for spirals. I used the fixture just to place evenly spaced marks on the ends of the handle material. I will be doing six flutes in this handle, so each end gets six marks. Without the fixture, this can be accomplished by inserting a piece of all-thread through the material and threading hex nuts against the ends of the material. The points of the hex nuts are used as a reference to mark the lines for the fluting.

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A small notch is made on the edge of the handle material with a three corner file. These notches are made on both ends of the material at each of the reference marks.

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The material is placed in my filing jig and a string is used to lay out the spirals. The string is held by the small notches that have been filed into the edges of the ivory. The type of string isn't too important. I have used dental floss and monofilament fishing line; it just needs to be fairly strong so you can pull it tight without breaking it. In this photo, I am using a couple of strands pulled from some leather stitching thread. I needed a dark colored string to have it show up in the photos. I am laying out 1/2 turn spirals, so the tread will be placed accordingly. One of the problems with this method is that it is difficult to get the string wrapped around the handle material in the same spiral for each of the lines. This issue will need to be corrected later. So, just do the best you can at pulling the string across the material and into position. Holding the thread tightly, I use a mechanical pencil with soft lead to draw a line against the side of the string. Try not to move the string as you draw the line. Once all of the lines have been marked, it is time to correct any misalignment. Measure between the lines to check the spacing between them and redraw any lines that are out of place. Take your time to make sure that all of the lines look correct.

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The soft lead lines are easily smeared and/or rubbed off, so I use a small three corner file to cut them in. These file cuts will also help with the next step in the process.

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Here's where you have a choice to make; do you cut the flutes in first, or the wire grooves? Some makers like to cut in the flutes and then center the wire grooves on the land area left between the flutes. I like to cut the wire grooves first and then cut the flutes between them.

I made this tool to cut the wire grooves. It is a file handle that has a shortened Exacto Knife handle inserted into it. A piece of hacksaw blade is ground to be held by the Exacto Knife chuck. The hacksaw blade has been thinned to cut a groove the appropriate width for the wire. Actually the blade is slightly thinner than the groove needed to fit the wire. I will be using wire that is .020" in diameter. After twisting the wire, the diameter will be .040". The hacksaw blade has been ground to .036". I know that I will probably wobble around and saw a groove wider than the blade. I don't want the wire to be sloppy in the groove. If I actually cut the groove too narrow, that is easy to fix later. To control the depth of the cut, I have Super-glued steel plates to each side of the hacksaw blade. The plates were ground to be shorter than the height of the blade. The blade is placed with the teeth up on a flat surface. The plates are affixed to the blade in this position. The twisted wire is to have one half of its diameter set into the handle material (.020"). I left .025" of the teeth exposed on the blade. There will later be some finishing done to the surface of the handle material, so the depth of the wire cuts will be reduced by that process.

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Cutting in the wire grooves with the saw tool.

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I pulled a couple of strands of .020" copper wire from some automotive cable. These have been twisted and are used to check the depth of the wire grooves.

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Here the handle material has been marked to cut in the flute. One leg of a divider was placed in the wire groove and used to mark lines for the edges of the flute. The divider was used again to make two lines to indicate the approximate center between the wire grooves. Lines were also placed on each end of the material to indicate where the flute cuts should be stopped.

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A groove is cut with a small three corner file down the approximate center of where the flute is to be cut. These three corner files with the bent tip are actually made for pointing up gun checkering. The bent tip makes for a nice small contact area and also helps to sight down the pencil line while cutting.

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The V shaped groove is changed to a round bottom groove with a small rat-tail file.

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The round groove is widened with a larger rat-tail file.

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These are the tools that I made to cut in fluting. They are sections from 12 inch rat-tail files that were 1/2" in diameter at the base. They are in bastard cut, second cut and smooth cut tooth patterns. The large files were scored with a cut-off disc and then snapped off in a vice. The ends were ground clean and then they were also ground behind the tooth area to provide working clearance.

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I guess that I didn't take a close-up picture of me actually using the big files to cut in the flutes. But, I'm sure you can imagine what that would look like. Just cut straight down into the handle material and take out everything between the marked lines. Try to keep the flute centered between the wire groove lands.

Here's a distant shot of me filing in the fluting. Might as well get comfortable, because I'm going to be here a couple of days..............

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This is a shot of the first flute, cut in with the bastard cut file. Notice that the cut doesn't go all of the way to the end marks. That will be done later.

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All of the flutes cut and filed to the smooth cut file finish.

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To be continued.
 
looking good Steve. I like your stand and hand made tools for grooving. Almost a must I would think.
 
looking good Steve. I like your stand and hand made tools for grooving. Almost a must I would think.

Thanks Bruce. I guess I really didn't take a good shot of the fixture that I built for holding handles for fluting. It's just some pieces of angle iron that you can pass a piece of all-thread through and clamp in a vice. The uprights are spaced far enough apart to provide some knuckle clearance.

There are a variety of ways to deal with the ends of the flutes. They can be tapered out to the surface of the handle material. They can be continued to the fittings on either end. The flutes can be cut through the fittings. If you use any of these techniques, you would probably cut the entire length of the flute, rather than stopping short of the end, as I did.

I prefer to have the flutes stop short of the fittings and to have the ends of the flutes plunge below the surface of the handle material. I find it easier for me to cut the ends of the flutes in a separate operation and then blend them back into the previously cut area of the flute.

Brass patterns are made to mark the shape of the ends of the flutes. This is the pattern for the flute near the top of the handle, a smaller pattern is made for the flute at the bottom.

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The flute marked for filing the end.

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I tip the file up onto the front teeth to gouge the material away and create the flute depression. Then blend the gouged out area back into the previously cut part of the flute.

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A die-sinker's file is also used to contour and shape the end of the flute.

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All of the flutes filed in. Ready for sanding.

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To sand out the flutes, I use a pin vice with a 1/2 inch sanding drum. I start the sanding with a 120 grit drum. The sanding drums are just a little larger in diameter than the cuts made by the large files. This helps to sharpen and straighten the edges of the flutes.

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Sanding the flutes.

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Finer grit sanding drums are also used to smooth the bottoms of the flutes. This drum kit has grits from 180 up to 1200. Each of the flutes will be sanded to 1200 grit.

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Now it is time to do the final check to see if everything looks proper. During the whole process of cutting in the flutes you need to try to keep width of the wire groove lands the same, the flutes straight and at the same depth, the ends of the flutes looking the same, etc. But, there are always areas that are still not quite correct; (at least for me). So look the piece over, measure the lands and make sure everything looks right.

Below is a photo of an area where I need to remove more material to adjust the width of one side of a wire groove land. I just pencil marked the spot that I need to work on. I can usually make small adjustments like this with the 120 grit sanding drum; and then go through all of the grits again in that area. This is pretty much all eyeball work.

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The entire piece needs to be sanded. Working here with sandpaper and a stick to clean up a mark from a file slip. The handle piece will get a "shoeshine" sanding through 800 grit.

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The ivory is buffed on a stitched muslin wheel. The wheel is charged with White Matchless compound. I used a new wheel for buffing this ivory. If you use a dirty buffing wheel on light colored ivory, it will fill the pores in the ivory with dirt. It can be nearly impossible to clean the dirt from the ivory.

Buffing will make all of the scratches that you still haven't worked out show up like you are shining a spotlight on them. So, check the piece over, sand and buff some more.

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The ivory handle polished and ready for installing the wire wrap.

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Steve,

I'll say again what's really obvious. This WIP has a bunch of info useful to all us makers, and that's gonna be one beauty of a dagger.

John
 
This is a GREAT WIP Steve. I've not seen many of your processes in a WIP before. The fluting is fascinating, as are your custom tools and jigs.

Thanks for taking the time to show it.

The dagger should be exceptional!

Peter
 
This is why custom knives command high prices. You could make a career out of some of these.

This is a great thread. thank you for taking the time to document your process.
 
The gold wire, to be twisted for installing on the handle.

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The wire is twisted using a variable speed drill that has a cup hook clamped in the chuck.

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The ends of the wire are held in a vice, the wire is placed in the cup hook and the wire then twisted.

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Holes for the wire to pass under the fittings are drilled with a .043" drill bit. The steel plates that were used when grinding the handle material to a cylinder are attached to the ends of the ivory with all-thread. The hole is drilled with the bit running against the steel plate.

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The tops of the drilled holes are opened with a die-sinker's file, creating grooves, to allow the wire to be folded across the ends of the handle material.

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Holes to affix the ends of the wire into are drilled in the grooves in the ends of the handle material. The holes in the bottom of the handle are drilled with a .049" drill bit. The holes in the top of the handle are drilled with a .062" bit. The affixing holes in the top of the handle are drilled larger than the holes in the bottom to make room for a wood wedge. This wedge will be used to hold the wire tightly in the hole while the epoxy sets.

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Epoxy is mixed and worked into the affixing hole in the bottom end of the handle material. The wire is placed in the hole and bent over. The handle is clamped in a vice until the epoxy cures. You need to make sure that you get plenty of epoxy in the hole and around the wire to ensure that the wire is solidly secured in the hole. Before bending the wire over, clean up all excess epoxy with a Q-Tip. You don't want a glob of epoxy showing around the wire when the handle is finished.

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After the epoxy is set, the wire is bent over the side of the handle material. I use a stick to fold the wire over making a nice square bend.

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Sorry that I didn't take a bunch of pictures of the next step, but I think a description of the procedure will suffice. Place the wire in the groove on the side of the handle material and pull it tightly towards the top of the handle. While holding tension on the wire, bend the wire over the top of the handle material. Cut the wire, leaving enough to be glued into the affixing hole, without bottoming in the hole. The end of the wire is bent with needle-nose pliers to prepare it to be inserted into the hole. Epoxy is mixed and worked into the hole. Holding tension on the wire to keep it snug in the groove on the side of the handle, work the wire into the affixing hole in the end of the material. I use a craft stick to poke the wire down into the hole and a pop-sickle stick to tightly bend the wire over the edge of the handle. It helps if you can grow a third hand for this operation......

Once the wire is fully worked into the hole, the wire is tight in the groove on the side of the handle and the bend over the edge of the handle is formed properly, the tapered wood wedge is forced into the hole with the wire. Clean up any excess epoxy with a Q-Tip.

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The handle with the wires installed. The wood wedges still need to be sanded flat with the top of the handle.

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Such a beautiful handle now. polished ivory and gold.............it dont get any better than this.
Hope you dont mind but how much did that gold wire cost? Its ok if you dont want to say.
 
Hope you dont mind but how much did that gold wire cost?

I bought this wire last December. I'm pretty sure the price of gold has gone up since then. I bought eight feet of wire, but didn't use all of that on this handle. I'm just paranoid about not having enough material to finish a piece, so always buy extra. Plus, I have other uses for the wire. I've never measured exactly how much wire that I use on one of these handles, but I estimate that I put about 70 inches of wire on this knife. My expenditure for this dagger's gold would be about $325.

I like to use 24k gold because it doesn't work harden during the twisting process. So, it doesn't resist forming to the handle shape and makes it easier for me to do a nice job of installing. Too, who doesn't appreciate 24k gold on a finished piece!

I blued the fittings this morning. I'll get the photos of that process posted soon.
 
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