Randall 14 Vs Busse Sarsquatch

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Attempting consciously to discredit Busse toughness seems a bit far fetched to me.

I often don't agree with Jerry on what is considered a delicate edge geometry but based on the results the Randall seems nearly indestructible, setting unreasonable expectations on it's toughness. If anything there's a potential to hurt Randall's image when someone repeats the exercise and the blade comes out messed up or broken...."but...but... a guy in internet beat concrete and it was fine... :grumpy:"
 
these photos are of the knives after the test, the Randall I have sharpened him,the Busse I have grinded him and normally sharpened-The Randall has some scratches on the sides of the blade,the raw finish of the Busse is more resistant to the side scratches-
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the thread of the Randall after the test and after the sharpening,with the sharpening I am almost disappeared the brought damages, but they are still seen-Unfortunately I don't have the miraculous water-
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PatriotDan said:
Marsus, perhaps you didn't notice my question before but I just want to know is the edge shoulder on the Randall really 0.06(1/16) inch thick or did you perhaps make an error in unit conversion from mm to inches???

(Because my model 14 has a shoulder thickness of 0.016 inch only)


Also, if it's not too much trouble, I would be interested in the convex edge length (the distance going from edge to shoulder) of the Sarsquatch. This would tell me about the actual shape of the convex.

And...if anyone knows the initial edge angle of the Sarsquatch convex I'd appreciate it!

Thanks! :thumbup:
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Hi Patriot, I have accustomed with the metric measure and I have made me an error,now I write you him in millimeters,the shoulder of the sharpening of the Randall is mm 0,7- The convex original sharpening of the Busse begins with mm 2-
 
Jerry Busse said:
To all who read this thread,

I want to be clear here. I have no doubt that a Randall knife can chop concrete blocks without sustaining major edge damage. They are great knives from a great family and have a golden reputation. :thumbup: Enough said.

MARSUS,

Demonstrating the toughness of one of your many Randall knives would've been a great thread in and of itself.

Trying to make your Randall's look good at the expense of a Busse Combat blade with a thin slicing geometry, was less than stellar. It was kind of a poorly executed sucker punch. . . . Now, I don't know about you, but I'd rather drink than get sucker punched. :eek:

We constantly test our blades as we want to know exactly how our knives will respond to nearly every possible situation. Trust me, concrete, rock, and cinder block cutting are daily fare around here. Based on our extensive testing, I will state as fact, that there is no possible strike on the concrete block in your picture that could cause, what appears to be a rectangular cut in the edge of your Sarsquatch. NEVER!
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So, as I do with all who have wounded their Busse Combat blades in the pursuit of whatever it is that they are pursuing, I invite you to return your blade, just as it is pictured, in its damaged state. Please do not alter the edge. A quick inspection will tell us what happened to your edge and it will be repaired or replaced at no charge to you. If you would like us to put a regular edge on it for future demolition projects, we will be glad to do that as well. :D :thumbup: :cool:

The Busse Combat warranty has you covered at all times. . . . .:thumbup:

Shouldn't we be drinking yet? :confused:

Jerry :thumbup: . . . :D



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This second intervention is almost normal, in the first one you have reminded me the political Italian when they climb on the mirrors,if I had the holy water I would also have used her on Sarsquatch that had more visible damages-in the two posts of yours you have made to notice that I have many Randalls and this is true,but I also have 17 of Tommy LEE,15 of M.Bernabei,3 of Bagwell,3 of Papp,3 of Lile,3of Beaver, Pease, Crain, Frazier, Lovestrand, Hammond, Ence, Horrigan, Centofante and so many other knives of American knifemaker,I also have four knives of yours, after the Sarsquatch I have purchased a FFFBM and two NMSFNO-For the truth mine preferred are the bowies of Bill Bagwell and besides I must not sell anything-I still repeat that I have not made a competition among the two knives but I have used the Sarquatch as stone of comparison,because in our Italian forum they are held some great knives and many purchase them for collection without never using them-Me same I have remained surprised that the Sarsquatch had more damages than the randall 14-Nobody wants to manipulate the tests and I don't have any interest in this,You say that it is impossible to ruin the Sarsquatch with a test this way,I say that any knife is forged by the God Vulcano what it forged the weapons for the God Mars,the knives of the human ones have her own limits ,it is important to know it-
Marsus,
 
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What man builds man can destroy.......

Both companies are American Icons whose knives are considered to be among the best on the planet....

:) Enjoy Life...... Own both, I do
 
Jerry - Good post and good advice. I took it. 12 year old McCallan for me. How about you? :)

Marsus - When you post your next test just add some information and more pictures about how you did what you did. I have no doubt the Randall is a tough knife. It already had a good reputation. If you step back and look at your posting here, and be objective, you will begin to see why some of us took it to task. I mean besides the pristine looking picture of the Randall all washed up and pretty after the test, you show the Busse all beat up sitting atop the chopped piece of wood. I assume the damage to the blade came after its run in with the concrete, not the wood, but the way you show the sequence of pictures it looks like the wood had already done it in. Things like that put your whole test into question. Thanks
 
Steelhed, you wrote:
12 year old McCallan for me.
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Coincidentally, here is my photo of a 12 year old Macallan bottle:

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Unfortunately, that bottle has been empty for a long time, and I am current working on a bottle of Jack Daniels Single Barrel. :thumbup:
 
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Very beautiful the Clinton special with the handle in black micarta,however I don't see the lewinski special:D
 
In all fairness, here is the bottle of Jack Daniels Single Barrel that I am working on at the moment:

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Nice knive, cool shot glass, great drink, and a superb photo! Heck, both those pics are making me thirsty:D
 
Kinda hate to see the dust settle. Lycosa was killin me with the one liners!
ADD made me bust a gut with the "Here comes the Posse"and the Big Eyed avatar!!
HA HA!!
It was a highly entertaining topic and quite informative.. Good job guys!
No i must go work on my Quatch 14!!!
 
I'm not sure what steel my 12 pound sledge hammer is made of, but when it comes to concret blocks i'll put it up against any knife made!. G.M
 
you guys who carry sledge hammers in the bush, must have some awesome back packs..



Marsus...Thanks for the great stuff!!! And, my first knowledge of Busse Knives....I have to go read more bout them... they're awesome..as for my 25 year old Randall, you're right. They do work.

(I'm not a "collector" I only know what I've done)
 
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Man, this thread was an interesting read. From my own perspective, I have a few Scrap Yard and Swamp Rat blades, and nothing from the main Busse line - I find the prices to be pretty steep and haven't found anything that I was willing to jump on yet. I have a feeling that will change at BLADE next week, though.

As an "outsider" who hasn't drunk the Busse kool-aid, I wanted to make two points...

One is that the only person who looks to be defensive or angry here is the guy who is accusing everyone of being defensive and angry. What I read was a lot of well-reasoned responses, expressions of surprise, and requests for more information about how the tests were performed.


My second point is that, as a trained scientist, I agree with the statements about lack of detail on methodology and a lack of ability to compare the results side by side. In addition to that, the OP has since sharpened out much of the damage, so it's impossible to make a fair comparison post fact, as he's erased the evidence.

However, trying to apply the scientific method to this kind of stuff isn't necessarily in the spirit of an outdoors adventure mindset, so I'm not AS worried about scientific rigor as I would normally be. I do think it is important to point out the deficiencies in the test, though, so people don't draw any conclusions that aren't supported by the information at hand.


All one can reasonably gather from this discussion is that the Busse and Randall are pretty dang good knives, and that Busse has a great warranty. Beyond that, it's all speculation.
 
Well there goes 30 minutes of my life I'll never get back...but I'll be damned if I'm not gonna get my first Randall and Busse now. Although with the wait I'm sure I'll get the Busse first. Thanks for keepin me entertained boys!

Nathan
 
Meh....I chop wood with a 12 Guage when Im in the woods...who needs a knife!

Actually I had my Busse FFBM and my Scrapyard SOD out at the camp today doing stuff to them I wouldnt even consider with a Randall and they still shave hair.
 
I just hope that Jerry doesnt decide to put axe edges on all the knives just because someone decided to chop a block of concrete with a slicing edge. Many of us much prefer the razor edge Jerry and know very well what it's function is.
 
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