RAT Fighting Knife

razorsdescent said:
I think the definitive survival knife is a drop point blade between 3-8 inches with full tang construction and a blade coating or finish to make it resistant to rust preferably a flat grind but saber works as well. possibly this blad emay have a sawback design.

EITHER WILL WORK FOR EITHER. you can carve with a dagger and you can fight with a sawback its just the knives are optimized for different things.
personally id perfer a survival knife because a survival knife would imho work just fine at fighting as well while a dagger would be ay less optimal at feildcraf uness it was thinner stock and had a wider blade than most knives. the mountain mans dagger by BRK is a prime example.

the garm however would no doubt of use in many situatons from survivin to fighting so i suggested that the op uy one for all his self defense needs and wait for the great and migtty HEST to come out.
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Love the Fallkniven Garm . . . but I traded mine off because I will be arrested for double edge here, even though it is technically legal.

Love sawback survival knives too. After you deanimate your assailant you can use the sawback to dismember the body. You won't need to buy dog food for a month. And if it has a hollow handle you can store beer money in it. :thumbup:
 
Don Rearic said:
Oh, come'on, you know you just read that shit in Paladin's book, Contingency Cannibalism. :D
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I gave my copy away. I felt that the author lacked experience in these matters and was speculating wildly. For example, there was no mention of dog food and not a single chili recipe! Everyone knows long pig requires copious amounts of hot sauce to be palatable. I recommend Cholula or Sriracha.
 
Never knife fight unless you've had plenty of alcohol to drink. Drinking and deer hunting also go good together.
 
Ha, yeah, a knife is a poor weapon for the average untrained person. The only time I would knife fight is if someone could chase me far enough and corner me some how, and I can still run pretty fast. However, I would not want someone swinging my RC-5 anywhere near me. That beast could lop a head off.
 
I suppose what I find amusing about all of this, whether it's survival, escape, fighting, shooting....whatever....is none of us really know how we will react to a situation that comes upon us quickly. We can train all day long but I don't 100 percent believe in that "you will fight as you train" stuff. Already seen "highly trained" folks lose their marbles in dangerous situations when they're outside their comfort zone. I've also seen some un-trained folks keep their cool when things happen. I was sitting beside a forester in Latin America when they announced that the 737 we were in potentially had a bomb on board and that everyone should leave the plane immediately. He and I just looked at each other as everyone panicked and scrambled for the door. We were the last passengers to go down the slide after we walked to the exit. On the flip side, a long time ago a tractor trailer truck ran over me and a farm tractor I was on. I had enough time to move off the road because I saw him coming from behind me. But I froze and stayed moving exactly as I was. Luckily it only tore up the farm tractor and not me.

My point to all of this is this: anyone that tells me they can always be ready for an emergency is a damn liar or a fool. Anyone that thinks that a knife always beats a gun or a gun always beats a knife or has any preconceived notion that they will win a fight before they actually fight it, is just plain stupid.

I have no problem with people training. But I think that those who train should get use to the fact that the training probably has more benefit as physical exercise and cardio work more than anything else. So onward!
 
flor1 said:
Take a 48'' walking stick any day over a knife for self defence.
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Not picking on you because I know you didn't imply this but my point is no one should ever limit themselves or believe that one tool is the only tool for the job. Whether it's self-defense, surviving the wilds, escaping, etc. People get zoned into believing too much into one thing. Glocks are better than Colts, 45 is better than 9mm. Solar stills will keep you hydrated in the desert. RAT knives are better than other brands ;) Most all of this comes from people reading internet forums, magazine articles and books, or listening to someone they put on a pedestal in that particular arena - instead of actual application under stress. We're all guilty of this. I know I am. But if we can step away from our beliefs for a short period of time and look at other potentials when we train or practice, it's amazing how much better off we are in the long run.

About the only thing I've found that nothing else beats is a machete for jungle use :D
 
Oh come on.
We all know the best fighting knives are the ones that come with a rifle attachment!

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R.A.T. said:
I suppose what I find amusing about all of this, whether it's survival, escape, fighting, shooting....whatever....is none of us really know how we will react to a situation that comes upon us quickly. We can train all day long but I don't 100 percent believe in that "you will fight as you train" stuff. Already seen "highly trained" folks lose their marbles in dangerous situations when they're outside their comfort zone.

My point to all of this is this: anyone that tells me they can always be ready for an emergency is a damn liar or a fool. Anyone that thinks that a knife always beats a gun or a gun always beats a knife or has any preconceived notion that they will win a fight before they actually fight it, is just plain stupid.
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This was one of the first calls I ran by myself for an alarm company. Just for the background, I had about 120 hours OJT day shift to learn as much about the controls for various alarms that I could and then 40 hours on night shift and I was on my own.

We had key calls, between about 80 and 120 at any given time and carried the keys with us in a metal locked box or briefcase and the keys were in little sealed, time stamped and numbered envelopes.

One of my first key calls by myself was at this place in Baltimore City that makes these incredibly huge bay dredges. It's fairly dark and I have a Maglite but, hey, it's still pretty damned dark in there. I'm making my way through various areas, looking for anything being trashed/tossed, forced entry through various doors, windows, etc., and all of the sudden, I'm dead. I hear this explosion. I just knew I was shot and gonna die.

It was a damned time clock that I was just a few feet away from in the dark. I'm just lucky I didn't have to take a dump because that would have been it for me right then and there. For years after that, I used that room in that building and that call, with that time clock, whenever I trained someone. Just so they would know how it feels to be entirely engrossed in something to such a degree that when a time clock PLONKS! in the dark, it might as well be a gun going off it is so loud. I'll bet you I did that with a half dozen people over as many years and everyone of them looked like they were coming unglued.

If you have been through situations like that, you can get an idea of how you might react. Then if you have actually been attacked, you look at how it all sorted out and you can get a further idea. But you do speak the truth, every situation is so unique, you have an idea and you might be really confident...but you really never know until it happens.
 
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