RAT Fighting Knife

If the 60 minute IPA is good the 90 minute is heaven...the 120 is toooooo much!!!
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So much truth i this statement it tastes like a bad wine. although if mixed with porter such as stones smoked porter it will render a tasty treat. speaking of stone i scored a few of those 3 liter growlers of DBA they are still ageing but i cant wait to pop one open.

Anybody here a dark lord fan? i really wanna get out there sometime.
 
I train in Kali and like fast knives.

I'm guessing that the RC-3 is going to be about as nimble as they get, seeing as how the others are thicker (correct me if I'm wrong). The RC-3 balances well, and fits my hand perfectly. I was hoping that the others, while bigger and thicker, might have a similar feel.

I bought the Izula and RC-3, thinking that I would carry the Izula and use the RC-3 for bushcraft. It turned out to be the opposite. I carry the RC-3 and the Izula does backup duty in my 72 hour bag that I keep in the car. It's just too small and doesn't fit my hand. I was thinking that maybe I was wrong about the size of their other knives, but it seems that I was correct.

My issue with most "fighting knives" is that they're too light, and most are worthless for bushcraft. My problem with most "bushcraft knives" is that they're too heavy, and most seem ill suited to fighting. I was hoping to find some compromise, a knife that could do a decent job of both. It seems more and more like that won't happen, so...

If you had to use a RAT knife for fighting, which would you use and why?

I've found the RC3 to be an excellent small self-protection blade.

It carries in utter discretion, and clears my pants very fast, even from under a jacket, coat, sweater, whatever.

It also clears the sheath very quickly in close proximity, say when you are tied up with an opponent.

It does lack the length I would prefer to get into the subclavian artery easily, but this little knife just CUTS whatever meat it comes into contact with very efficiently. Cutting your way out of trouble can cause other legal hassles. Defanging the snake also looks like inflicting defensive wounds, but that's another discussion and likely not here.

I'm training currently about a half hour a day with live steel and the RC3 is one of the 3 or four knives I'm putting into my workouts. I've been entirely pleased with it in this respect. Point or edge, forward or reverse grip, it works and works well.

I also have run a lot of combative drills with the RC6. If you plan on using it for this, I'd suggest, depending on your preferences and your hand/ handle interface, sanding out a little radius where the index finger wraps around the handle, and perhaps radiusing along the top of the handle as well. For my hand, the handle borders on a little square, but it still gives me an excellent index and I universally have the edge contacting my target in the same line my hand is moving - in simple english, I'm cutting with the edge instead of slapping with the flat. And it really cuts very well. The factory edge was a little toothy and I've maintained that toothy edge, since it cuts meat and fiber very well, especially when you add a little energy to it.

The six carries well for me IWB using a rigged up IWB p-cord loop in front of the guard and deploys fast and positively. It's a little long in the handle to be carrying this way under clothing, but openly carried it's just fine.

Either one of these have proven fast in the hand, accurate with the point and edge and while neither are design-driven fighters, they sure play like it.

For those of you poo-poo'ing the notion of fighting with a knife, what's your plan when this presents itself as a viable, or potentially necessary option? Or do you always travel with a pistol, shotgun, attack dog and a platoon of Marines for company? :D

I'd prefer not to have to ever fight with a knife, but then again I'd prefer never to need my seat belt or homeowner's insurance either. I can tell you from experience I've needed a seat belt and homeowner's insurance on multiple occassions, and it's always been a better idea to have it and not need it.
 
A 37'' Cane and a fast retreat no one wins a knife fight.

This and other threads convinced me to dig into my closet and rejuvenate the club of a cane I bought from Ed Martin about 12 years ago. I carried it into town today and didn't get a second look. I'll still have a knife on me though. Why not carry both along with a little pepper spray? I'll always prefer my Nike-do techniques at the end of day :D

Jordan
 
Everyone is still talking about two guys squaring off with knives. Think fighting with a knife instead of "knifefighting."
 
Everyone is still talking about two guys squaring off with knives. Think fighting with a knife instead of "knifefighting."

That's how it always happens right? Leather jackets, cheap italian knock-off switchblades and wrists tied together.:D
 
I dunno, I always imagine like...knives fighting with each other when I hear "knifefighting." Sort of like a butter knife breaking bad with a paring knife in the drawer, "I ain't takin' no more uh yur shit offin' ya, C? Ya rats bastard!" :D
 
I dunno, I always imagine like...knives fighting with each other when I hear "knifefighting." Sort of like a butter knife breaking bad with a paring knife in the drawer, "I ain't takin' no more uh yur shit offin' ya, C? Ya rats bastard!" :D

That's the most sensible type of "knife fight". Anything else is just silly. :D
 
If I thought that there was the possibility (rare for sure) that I'd be in a "knife fight" I'd make a spear and have stand-off...
 
My Dear Friends,

You can conceal the Garm or even larger knives until you need to use them. At that point, saying you were up against the wall and fell back on an old work knife beats showing off your classic assassin's weapon. :)

This is completely correct.

With the exception of my Emerson Combat Karambit I tend to carry blades that are not advertised as self-defense specific - The RAT RC-4 is a personal favorite, as is my Spyderco Moran FB-01. Shortly I'll be carrying an Izula (on the way to me as I type this).

My take on this situation is this: I carry a knife for a multitude of reasons - everyday cutting, self-defense, and SHTF survival should the need arise. I prefer to carry knives that are reasonably capable of all of these things, at least passably well, should things go badly very quickly.

Part of my rationale is such: like it or not, in today's litigous and excessively political clime every individual concerned with self-preservation needs must consider how their actions might be perceived, as well as the potential consequences of said actions.

For this reason I do not own a "black" rifle or shotgun. No ARs for me, thank you. No "tacticool" synthetic-stocked shotguns. My shotgun is a 1935-era Winchester Model 12 in 20 gauge with a gunsmith-shortened barrel (24") to allow for better close-range patterns and faster handling for skeet shooting and bird hunting. With buckshot or slugs it is perfect as a home defense piece, and lacks the negative stigma attached to the black guns.

Consider the following scenario - an intruder invades your home at zero-dark-thirty - you respond with your shotgun, recognize the threat, and neutralize said threat with one or two well-placed shots. The intruder fails to survive the encounter (an unfortunate side-effect of his chosen profession - occupational hazard).

Which do you think will look less damning to the legal system: your using a Remington 870 with black synthetic pistol-grip folding stock, sidesaddle carrier, tritium ghost-ring sight, and heat shield on the barrel; or a beat-up borderline-antique fowling piece with wood stock?

(I realize that to the deceased perp this is largely irrelevant and purely academic, but their opinion is not really of consequence at this point.)

Let's take this a step further: assume that you manage to prove self-defense (as many states require) or have relied on castle doctrine laws, relieving yourself of any legal consequences. A civil suit ensues: I put the same question to you as before. Justified or no, how will each gun appear to a jury? Will you come off as a law-abiding citizen in fear of their life, or as a gun-nut just waiting to pop a cap in someone's posterior?

Yes, I know that the end result of the shooting (the cessation of hostilities by the perp) is the same in both instances, but for my purposes I keep the fowling piece by the bed at night, especially since IMO the tricked-out black shotgun has no measurable discernable tactical advantage in the real-world of home defense.

(Let me qualify the previous statements by saying that I am a ten-year veteran of a major firearms retailer and have over fifteen years' experience as a concealed weapons instructor. My Martial Arts experience spans several decades and takes into account a couple of different Arts. I am also not implying in any way that this is the way that it should be, just that it is the way that it often is.)

Back to the topic at hand: the best fighting blade is the one that you always have with you. It generally needs to be comfortable to carry for extended periods of time (or you'll leave it at home), quick to get to in a hurry (or you won't be able to access it quickly enough when you need it), concealable enough to not attract undue attention (so you don't get hassled or fired if carrying at the workplace), and capable of handling 99% of your possible cutting chores with adequate ease.

For me, the RAT RC-3 is as good as it gets (speaking of which, I need to get my hands on one - I traded off my Ontario RAT-3 in anticipation of getting an RC-3). The RC-4 is a good choice also, though a bit large for everyday concealed carry. I'll find out soon how the Izula fares.

YMMV, my friends. Stay safe.

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Hannibal
 
I am not sure why these questions get asked because it either ends up in a big argument about guns, practicalities, statistics and legalities or there are ten or more different opinions, which leaves the OP to sort out what they could probably have figured out in the first place had they really thought about it or done some reading.

I suggest getting some books like:

Cold Steel by Styers (nothing to do with the Cold Steel knife company)
Slash & Thrust by Sanchez
Complete Book of Kinfe Fighting by Cassidy
Blade Master by Sanchez
Knife Fighting by LaTourette

Or even books by Applegate and Fairbairn and Biddle

Then at least you have some reference to the qualifications of those opinions, no offense to any of the posters here.
 
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My Dear Friend,

I am not sure why these questions get asked...

The pursuit of knowledge from those viewed as more knowledgable than oneself. ;)

...because it either ends up in a big argument about guns, practicalities, statistics...

True enough, but IMO practicalities and statistics can be helpful not only when deciding which defensive edged weapon to carry, but also when deciding whether or not to carry an edged weapon at all. Or *any* potentially lethal weapon, for that matter.

...and legalities

My friend, I am a certified pistol instructor - I certify people to carry around a firearm. I concern myself with anyone that would recommend carrying a lethal tool without at least mentioning in passing the fact that doing so can really screw up your life if you don't know not only how to use it, but also the potential consequences of doing so (i.e. the legalities). Sometimes there are better options than potentially lethal weapons, especially depending on your jurisdiction.

The very first thing I ask my concealed carry candidates is whether or not they believe they could take a life if necessity dictated in protection of their own. Anyone answering "no" really has no business in my class - it is a waste of my time and their money.

Take into account that cutting someone is a damned sight more difficult psychologically than shooting them, and a hell of a lot more "personal" in some respects, and you have a recipe for disaster.

or there are ten or more different opinions, which leaves the OP to sort out what they could probably have figured out in the first place had they really thought about it or done some reading.

I suggest getting some books like:

Cold Steel by Styers (nothing to do with the Cold Steel knife company)
Slash & Thrust by Sanchez
Complete Book of Kinfe Fighting by Cassidy
Blade Master by Sanchez
Knife Fighting by LaTourette

Or even books by Applegate and Fairbairn and Biddle

Excellent suggestions, all. Sometimes for lack of available reference materials individuals will instead solicit the opinions of those viewed as intelligent and levelheaded. Sometimes they just want enough information to assist in choosing a point at which to begin their search.

Then at least you have some reference to the qualifications of those opinions, no offense to any of the posters here.

None taken, and I hope you likewise don't take this post as a defensive smart-assed retort - it genuinely isn't intended as such. For the record - I will gladly verify my qualifications to anyone interested should the need arise. :D

I always mention the consequences of carrying potentially lethal weapons when responding at length to a question such as this - it is in fact the first thing I cover in my pistol courses. Knives are no different in that respect, at least as far as I am concerned.

Sorry if this strayed off-topic a bit. You make some excellent points, and I hope my rationale might be a bit more transparent now.

My very best to you,


Dr. Hannibal Lecter
 
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