RESOLVED AMICABLY - Brendtech189 @brendtech189 - Ryan Smoliak

[ArcticWolf7]

This is troubling. In the 3rd post of this thread, you showed a screenshot of a text exchange where Brendtech189 says, "OK, but one thing please don't say the PDW was from me as it was a crazy ride that I lost through PP but my neighbor saved me". And now you intimate that you know how he gets some "epic CRK's", but that you'll leave him a morsel of dignity. Is he stealing?

NO WAY! I’m sorry if I gave that impression. If he was stealing I would not withhold it for any reason nor would I have bought any of them.

 

[ArcticWolf7]

UPDATE 8-2-22 RESOLVED AMICABLY

I’ve edited this post, under no obligation, to reflect the relevant details of a resolved matter.

Brendtech189 and I had a dispute as to the condition of a purchase and the proper resolution. This has been resolved. Ryan contacted me and at the end of the day he did the right thing. He took the time to actually apologize for a misstep taken without ill intent. He also specifically said there were no strings attached and he had no condition that anything be revised.

Thank you all for weighing in and responding to a situation. Even if it took a post and gathering community opinions, we all do things we regret, he ultimately accepted responsibility, did the right thing and I found that meaningful.

 

[Boru13]

ArcticWolf7
Going to post the following for transparency as it effects the BF community as a whole.

While I'm glad that your situation was resolved to your satisfaction, I think you starting this GBU thread and community pressure helped facilitate the outcome.

After discussing the issue with two other staff members the decision was made to permanently ban Brendtech189 .

While your issue was resolved I've had more that one member reach out to me privately describing their problems with Brendtech189 , not to mention off forum issues.

For those wondering why off forum issues should be relevant to BF's, the following is from the Exchange rules.

"These forums operate on honesty and integrity. As such, we have a dim view of people who act dishonestly. Your actions in the community have consequences, even if they happen elsewhere, something to keep in mind."

 

[10after10]

ArcticWolf7
Going to post the following for transparency as it effects the BF community as a whole.

While I'm glad that your situation was resolved to your satisfaction, I think you starting this GBU thread and community pressure helped facilitate the outcome.

After discussing the issue with two other staff members the decision was made to permanently ban Brendtech189 .

While your issue was resolved I've had more that one member reach out to me privately describing their problems with Brendtech189 , not to mention off forum issues.

For those wondering why off forum issues should be relevant to BF's, the following is from the Exchange rules.

"These forums operate on honesty and integrity. As such, we have a dim view of people who act dishonestly. Your actions in the community have consequences, even if they happen elsewhere, something to keep in mind."

Thank you for always looking out for the members here, Boru13 . Now that's what I call a great outcome!

 

[bax229]

 

[ArcticWolf7]

ArcticWolf7
Going to post the following for transparency as it effects the BF community as a whole.

While I'm glad that your situation was resolved to your satisfaction, I think you starting this GBU thread and community pressure helped facilitate the outcome.

After discussing the issue with two other staff members the decision was made to permanently ban Brendtech189 .

While your issue was resolved I've had more that one member reach out to me privately describing their problems with Brendtech189 , not to mention off forum issues.

For those wondering why off forum issues should be relevant to BF's, the following is from the Exchange rules.

"These forums operate on honesty and integrity. As such, we have a dim view of people who act dishonestly. Your actions in the community have consequences, even if they happen elsewhere, something to keep in mind."

Boru13 , first thank you for intervening when you did. I don’t want to give any impression that a ban is something for me to condemn or condone but this type of decision is for the mods, who have full purview, to make and keep this world on axis so I respect the decision and the post to explain.

I agree GBU is what drove the resolution. Thank you all for weighing in and for the assistance. I hope not to have to return the favor.

 

[craytab]

ArcticWolf7
Going to post the following for transparency as it effects the BF community as a whole.

While I'm glad that your situation was resolved to your satisfaction, I think you starting this GBU thread and community pressure helped facilitate the outcome.

After discussing the issue with two other staff members the decision was made to permanently ban Brendtech189 .

While your issue was resolved I've had more that one member reach out to me privately describing their problems with Brendtech189 , not to mention off forum issues.

For those wondering why off forum issues should be relevant to BF's, the following is from the Exchange rules.

"These forums operate on honesty and integrity. As such, we have a dim view of people who act dishonestly. Your actions in the community have consequences, even if they happen elsewhere, something to keep in mind."

Thank you for this! And if it was you or another mod who restored all the deleted posts by the OP, thank you again!

Boru13 , first thank you for intervening when you did. I don’t want to give any impression that a ban is something for me to condemn or condone but this type of decision is for the mods, who have full purview, to make and keep this world on axis so I respect the decision and the post to explain.

I agree GBU is what drove the resolution. Thank you all for weighing in and for the assistance. I hope not to have to return the favor.

A word of advice, don't go through and delete all your posts in a thread, especially after this community helped you out. It is disrespectful and shady as F.

 

[10after10]

Thank you for this! And if it was you or another mod who restored all the deleted posts by the OP, thank you again!

A word of advice, don't go through and delete all your posts in a thread, especially after this community helped you out. It is disrespectful and shady as F.

I thought the same.

 

[ArcticWolf7]

Thank you for this! And if it was you or another mod who restored all the deleted posts by the OP, thank you again!

A word of advice, don't go through and delete all your posts in a thread, especially after this community helped you out. It is disrespectful and shady as F.

craytab 10after10
Not sure how it’s disrespectful to you (or anyone) or shady as F. You also could have PMd me and asked. I didn’t know what direction the mods were going to take, I was aware they were weighing a ban. I had been in touch with the mods and had discussed edits prior, and they told me in advance they may restore. My edit was a summary in one place. l went through the transaction, problem, dispute and resolution, what I thought would be helpful to a future reader as opposed to parsing through a 4 page thread.

As I told the mods prior, I had absolutely no issue with them restoring anything and everything at their discretion.

I could not have expressed appreciation more than I did both publicly and then privately.

We are allowed to disagree, it was certainly helpful to have the details you didn’t have, but In all events none of that makes me disrespectful or shady as F.

 

[Danke42]

Well if that was amicable I can't wait to see hostile.

 

[ArcticWolf7]

Well if that was amicable I can't wait to see hostile.

Hostile is Jimmy Lovejoy, where I spent 5 times the amount he screwed me over for to make sure after years of scamming, I did not relent until he was arrested and as of 8/2/22 per my communication with the Fannin county sheriffs office, is imminently facing grand jury to be charged and tried. That will be resolved, that is not amicable.

 

[craytab]

craytab 10after10
Not sure how it’s disrespectful to you (or anyone) or shady as F. You also could have PMd me and asked. I didn’t know what direction the mods were going to take, I was aware they were weighing a ban. I had been in touch with the mods and had discussed edits prior, and they told me in advance they may restore. My edit was a summary in one place. l went through the transaction, problem, dispute and resolution, what I thought would be helpful to a future reader as opposed to parsing through a 4 page thread.

As I told the mods prior, I had absolutely no issue with them restoring anything and everything at their discretion.

I could not have expressed appreciation more than I did both publicly and then privately.

We are allowed to disagree, it was certainly helpful to have the details you didn’t have, but In all events none of that makes me disrespectful or shady as F.

Absolutely no reason to delete every post in a 4 page thread if there is nothing shady. It's a bad look. It is also disrespectful to those who put I the time to respond to all those deleted posts.

Seen a lot of people deleted posts over the years, and it never happens because everything was above board.

Take it or leave it, just some advice on how it looks my guy.

 

[ArcticWolf7]

Absolutely no reason to delete every post in a 4 page thread if there is nothing shady. It's a bad look. It is also disrespectful to those who put I the time to respond to all those deleted posts.

Seen a lot of people deleted posts over the years, and it never happens because everything was above board.

Take it or leave it, just some advice on how it looks my guy.

Never, that’s a very bold assumption. Never never lasts forever, for at least this one time, in the history of all time, you will be wrong about this. Take the time to read my response where I’ve already responded to these suggestions.

 

[craytab]

Never, that’s a very bold assumption. Never never lasts forever, for at least this one time, in the history of all time, you will be wrong about this. Take the time to read my response where I’ve already responded to these suggestions.

Right. So why delete the posts? See what I'm saying yet? No reason to delete them. The practice of deleting posts like you did is shady. Don't do it or look shady. Got nothing to hide? Then leave em up. Simple. I mean, the mods restored them, right? That enables us to go back and read what you said. If the mods had not done that, then who knows what shady things you could have posted, unless some one got a quote. Are you gonna be one of those people we have to quote all the time out of fear you are going to delete or change your posts? Don't be. I'll always maintain that deleting a bunch of posts is shady, no mater their content.

And with that, I'll be done with this thread. Take the advice or don't.

 

[Peter Hartwig]

Absolutely no reason to delete every post in a 4 page thread if there is nothing shady. It's a bad look. It is also disrespectful to those who put I the time to respond to all those deleted posts.

Seen a lot of people deleted posts over the years, and it never happens because everything was above board.

Take it or leave it, just some advice on how it looks my guy.

I think it is more that the matter had been resolved in the OPs opinion and he no longer had Ill feelings, not anything shady.
But IMO it would have been best not to edit,so the story played out as it did for all to see.
Moderators have corrected this, so no harm

 

[ArcticWolf7]

I think it is more that the matter had been resolved in the OPs opinion and he no longer had Ill feelings, not anything shady.
But IMO it would have been best not to edit,so the story played out as it did for all to see.
Moderators have corrected this, so no harm

I think that’s a very fair description and position.

craytab so we can put this to bed, if the multiple posts of respect, appreciation and gratitude and the personal thank you’s I PMd to folks were unclear, I only have respect for the people that donated their time to protect the integrity of BF and get the matter resolved.

As for the phantom “shadiness” - There was no shadiness and I’ll allow my track record as a buyer, seller and scammer vigilantly speak for itself.

 

[ArcticWolf7]

Right. So why delete the posts? See what I'm saying yet? No reason to delete them. The practice of deleting posts like you did is shady. Don't do it or look shady. Got nothing to hide? Then leave em up. Simple. I mean, the mods restored them, right? That enables us to go back and read what you said. If the mods had not done that, then who knows what shady things you could have posted, unless some one got a quote. Are you gonna be one of those people we have to quote all the time out of fear you are going to delete or change your posts? Don't be. I'll always maintain that deleting a bunch of posts is shady, no mater their content.

And with that, I'll be done with this thread. Take the advice or don't.

craytab
Wow you’ve let imagination run off with this one.

Let me understand your logic, you said “I'll always maintain that deleting a bunch of posts is shady, no mater [sic] their content.” So irrespective of whether something is done for shady reasons or is not done for shady reasons, you will always pre-judge it shady. Honestly, how can you have any credibility at all in GBU with that logic.

Putting aside your severely flawed judgement, amongst other reasons, defamation is a pretty good one.

Inferences about Ryan we’re being drawn from people like you, who imagine, assume and create facts instead of find them. It was all with good intent but in one instance someone was gluing together communications and claimed publicly that Ryan stole the knives, something I know for a fact to be untrue.

Ryan did wrong by me and those facts are true, I can say all I want about it.

Publicly claiming someone stole these knives, when it’s untrue, falls into a special category called defamation.

Kind of like if I hypothetically said “@craytab is has herpes.” That may be true, that may be untrue but if I was really making a public statement that “@craytab has herpes” and it turned out to be untrue, it would fall into a category of defamation of character.

If I hypothetically called you “shady” let’s say because you were not involved at all throughout the whole event but only chimed in like a hero at the end, after all was said and done and only to criticize, that’s not defamation because it does not fall into a special category.

Now, as you may have read, 1) Ryan claimed to be selling an annualized $250,000 worth of knives on BF, and 2) the result of the posts was that Ryan got banned from BF, —- I would want to be sure I wasn’t defaming Ryan (reminder- that’s like hypothetically saying falsely that “ craytab has herpes”) since it’s seems that he is going to lose a fair amount of money being banned.

I quickly corrected the record but I’m not going spend my days monitoring this thread like a hawk. I prefer not to defame anyone (like if hypothetically said “ craytab has herpes”, and it was untrue) if not for other reasons, then because there could be legal consequences as explained above. Hence my logic in deleting my posts involving communications that could be misinterpreted.

Now that I have been forced to possibly embarrass a poster who only had my best interest in mind at risk of being judged “disrespectful and shady” unfairly and without any due inquiry at all by you perhaps you’ll ask before you accuse next time.

 

[Foghorn Leghorn Fan]

ArcticWolf7 , From my standpoint the problem of deleting posts is that it removes important info on a fellow members behavior. The behavior warranted starting this thread and from the looks of it the only reason this was resolved was this thread (read peer pressure, or a eternal crime scene thread).

Removing the post hides this important info from other members and has a quid pro quo look to it , the seller un-screws the buyer and gets the crime scene gets cleaned up in return. I have no problem doing whatever legally needs to be done to recoup your loss, but then you can clearly post what was required to get made whole. If you were not required to do so, then removing posts ends up hurting forum member, some of whom came to your aid.

Brendtech189 was clearly the problem here and was banned, no one gives a sh#t about any inference drawn about Ryan Smoliak and neither should you.

 

[craytab]

craytab
Wow you’ve let imagination run off with this one.

Let me understand your logic, you said “I'll always maintain that deleting a bunch of posts is shady, no mater [sic] their content.” So irrespective of whether something is done for shady reasons or is not done for shady reasons, you will always pre-judge it shady. Honestly, how can you have any credibility at all in GBU with that logic.

Putting aside your severely flawed judgement, amongst other reasons, defamation is a pretty good one.

Inferences about Ryan we’re being drawn from people like you, who imagine, assume and create facts instead of find them. It was all with good intent but in one instance someone was gluing together communications and claimed publicly that Ryan stole the knives, something I know for a fact to be untrue.

Ryan did wrong by me and those facts are true, I can say all I want about it.

Publicly claiming someone stole these knives, when it’s untrue, falls into a special category called defamation.

Kind of like if I hypothetically said “@craytab is has herpes.” That may be true, that may be untrue but if I was really making a public statement that “@craytab has herpes” and it turned out to be untrue, it would fall into a category of defamation of character.

If I hypothetically called you “shady” let’s say because you were not involved at all throughout the whole event but only chimed in like a hero at the end, after all was said and done and only to criticize, that’s not defamation because it does not fall into a special category.

Now, as you may have read, 1) Ryan claimed to be selling an annualized $250,000 worth of knives on BF, and 2) the result of the posts was that Ryan got banned from BF, —- I would want to be sure I wasn’t defaming Ryan (reminder- that’s like hypothetically saying falsely that “ craytab has herpes”) since it’s seems that he is going to lose a fair amount of money being banned.

I quickly corrected the record but I’m not going spend my days monitoring this thread like a hawk. I prefer not to defame anyone (like if hypothetically said “ craytab has herpes”, and it was untrue) if not for other reasons, then because there could be legal consequences as explained above. Hence my logic in deleting my posts involving communications that could be misinterpreted.

Now that I have been forced to possibly embarrass a poster who only had my best interest in mind at risk of being judged “disrespectful and shady” unfairly and without any due inquiry at all by you perhaps you’ll ask before you accuse next time.

Tl;dr

Quoted for posterity in case anyone else wants to read it.

 

[ArcticWolf7]

Tl;dr

Quoted for posterity in case anyone else wants to read it.

Thank you. Now go read it yourself unless of course you have some other logic canons that apply here that predetermined it’s shadiness.