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retired01: I do not recommend dealing with this individual
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If I sell a knife to "X" and "X" sells or gives it to "Y," there is no reason for me to have any contact with "Y." I'm not sure why I should care. Why should I?
If "Y" is a problem they could make a mess like this. If you will not sell to a member because you deem them a problem, is it okay for them to go behind your back and still get sold to? Maybe I am wrong but I would like to know if the person I sell something to is the person I sell something to.
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"Y" isn't making any mess that would concern me if I sold to "X." If there is some reason that I don't want to sell to "Y," his ending up with the knife wouldn't be the reason. It would be because I didn't trust him to be honest. That concern isn't an issue if I sell to "X." Again, what "X" does after our transaction is complete is no concern of mine. Maybe we just have to agree to disagree.
If this guy is an impatient nightmare who goes right to condition red when there's no instant answer (Spoiler Alert, When it's daytime in Europe it's late at night in North America and vice versa) I can't see putting another lag in the game of telephone lasting very long at all.
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When I reach the point that I don't want to sell to an individual, then I don't want a proxy to do an end-run. Also consider, what if the person that I didn't want to sell too, is unhappy. Does that mean the proxy buyer takes complete responsibility? Honest transparency avoids potential sticky wickets, and leads to a safer, more trusting environment.
Again with the presumptions here, where are you getting this nonsense about proxy buying? I forward the guy his mail end of story.
Craytab bud you really should find something better to spend your time on, spreading misinformation on in the Feedback forum has been long exhausted.
Craytab bud you really should find something better to spend your time on, spreading misinformation on in the Feedback forum has been long exhausted.
The issue's with proxy buying can be better understood here:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...cvuicich-ja2072-was-What-does-LNIB-mean/page2
It would be great to have some way to ensure that we can sell to who we want to, but there is really no reasonable way to enforce that or to ever be able to legitimize issues with the transaction.
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Posts like this are killing this place. For crap sake folks move on. Stop doing stupid things. If you don't want to sell something to someone than don't. There was some poor communication, perhaps some inappropriate behavior. All survivable, and maybe it can be fixed. 3 pages of this stuff. Can a moderator close this down?
Just to clear things up, you did knowingly purchase a knife for someone else with the sole intention of being the "proxy" in the transaction?
That is Proxy buying.
I see no harm in discussing the negative/positive aspects of that being discussed.....
Nobody has "called you out" for doing anything wrong, and there is nothing in the rules against conducting transactions in that manner...no need to throw a jab at Craytab....
So you add a useless comment?
Perhaps you don't find it interesting when people talk about certain ideas, add their thoughts to a discussion, all sides and angles are heard, and usually everyone learns something, good or bad, but a lot of us have found these threads to be a wonderful resource for getting to know other members as well as learning about how things go wrong on the internet.
This is a BIG forum, lot's of room for all kind of discussion here.
Maybe you should go General and complain about the 50 posts/day asking "should I buy knife X or Y" ?
What makes this forum great is its tolerance for discussion. So if you would allow us to continue to enjoy that, it would be much appreciated.
I don't believe I read anywhere in this thread where someone said that you did anything wrong, and like I said, there is no rule against it.
Some of us see a potential issue with a third party getting involved in a transaction, others don't.
That's really all that was being discussed.
Some of us
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If this is accurate and PineChaos forwarded this to R1, he did it for a person who does not keep their word, even if through a proxy purchase.
If the funds to the seller came from your account, then it is a proxy purchase....
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After having read the entire communication history posted by OP, I'm having a hard time seeing what PineChaos did wrong. Also, this transaction in no way involved "proxy" buying. Whatever one wants to call it, the facts of the transaction were clearly disclosed from the beginning. The buyer was paying for the knife and wanted it shipped to PineChaos, who would then be responsible for sending it to the Netherlands. (Whatever communication breakdown regarding addresses may or may not have occurred aren't relevant to this discrete issue). Now, there are very good reasons that a seller might not want to involve himself in a deal like this - having an intervening party handling the knife before it was in the hands of the buyer, for instance - but the seller was fully informed of that element and chose to move forward. PineChaos was doing a favor for a friend and did nothing with any negative consequence to the seller.