Bad Rip off by KEN LEUNG aka “Shadymethods”

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Triton said:
Disagree. Honest pictures and descriptions to you may be completely inadequate for the buyer. Who gets to decide if they were adequate? You? Why not the buyer? That's why BOTH parties should be satisfied. I suppose that if you put up a disclaimer that you will not accept a return unless you feel like it then that might be at least be up front. If your attitude is basically that the buyer assumes all risk when dealing with you I wonder how fast your sales will be. I know I would never purchase from such a seller.
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No, the buyer has decided they were adequate when they bought the item. If they don't, they don't.
 
You have a built-in insurance policy with PP....IF, and ONLY IF, you use Goods and Services.
Otherwise, you're asking to be screwed...in my non-exalted opinion.
An expensive lesson need ONLY to be learned ONCE.
Sorry for an unfortunate experience.
BTW, in my sales (PP G&S) I offer no-argument return of all monies paid by the buyer, including the postage to return the knife to me,...in the event that I have misrepresented the knife.
When/IF I am convinced that there is a player in the field that I don't wish to deal with, I put him/her on my growing IGNORE list. It works really well.
As for this case...I have no solid opinion. The seller has an excellent feedback; however the F&F business should not have been called into effect.
Don
 
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ShadyMethods said:
Alright, I don't know what you have against me but I'm doing my absolute best here to show my side of things.

I plainly laid out what I needed from him. I only asked for a few photos. I never got them and he stopped responding. What was I supposed to do at that point? Then 41 days later, he starts saying I ripped him off. So to me:

1. For the sake of fairness, I ask him for proof of his claim
2. I never get that proof and he stops responding altogether
3. After he's had the knife for 6 weeks, I see a GBU thread

Now, I'm sure you're going to pick apart what I said. I have nothing against you but, you can bet I'll be back to set the record straight.
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Just learned to do screenshots (old dog )
What the picts is showing is the detent ball with the blade partially open and with it partially closed, which look the same
The screenshot files were too big and Picts got cut off when uploading
Just note the date of the emails, 2/27/18 was his last reply
The date of his emails and mines are not in chronological order but that’s the way the iPad brought them up
 
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Shady, I appreciate you answering that you are just a collector and not a dealer, however your trader feedback suggest that you sell a good amount of knives. I don't want to jump to conclusions about you, but I know "flippers" are part of the hobby. I don't have an issue when some people "flipping" knives for profit to "support" their habit. I do have an issue when they do it for maximum profit by not properly disclosing issues with the knives, or by not making the situation right when something like this happens. It really shouldn't be up to the buyer to ask if the knife has issues, it is the responsibility of the seller to disclose them. If feel that if a person is financially profiting from the situation, they assume a certain amount of risk and should accept returns short of someone tampering with the knife and assuming the issues were brought to the sellers attention in a timely fashion. I feel that you should have accepted a return here, if only to sell it again but disclosing the issues with the knife. This is only my meaningless opinion and is not meant in any way to offend you. Either way I hope that Hta_evo8 gets that knife fixed. I agree with him that a knife without an effective detent is dangerous (again just my opinion) and dangerous knives should not just be passed along to the next guy. At the very least this was a legitimate negative experience and a negative rating should be given even if it is technically agains the rules.
 
@Boru13

It may not deal directly with this situation but Shadymethods also likes to repost knives in the exchange prior to the 14 day wait period...usually mixing and matching them to disguise it as a new thread but it’s the same handful of knives over and over with a new one mixed in. Just check his started threads looking at the knives listed and the dates and you’ll see the pattern pretty quickly.

Another avenue of dishonesty.

(Mods can see edits, so no need to delete them Shady)
 
Hkwinger said:
At the very least this was a legitimate negative experience and a negative rating should be given even if it is technically agains the rules.
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Why would it be technically against the rules ?

A transaction took place... money and item exchanged hands.

The OP is entitled to leave feedback if he chooses.
 
Hta_evo8 said:
April 10 18, updated picts
..... Now you can see in pict #1 the lock bar sit lower relative to the rest of the knife, fully closed and locked with detent ball in hole in blade.
Can’t leave negative feedback unless you’ve posted on the thread, which I did not do.

One of the pict has a rubber band on it so there’s no questions it is fully closed.....
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Boru13 said:
Why would it be technically against the rules ?

A transaction took place... money and item exchanged hands.

The OP is entitled to leave feedback if he chooses.
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The OP stated that he thought he couldn't leave feedback because he never posted in the original sales post. I would imagine he'll be happy to know that he is allowed to do so. Hta_evo8 Hta_evo8
 
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Hkwinger said:
The OP stated that he thought he couldn't leave feedback because he never posted in the original sales post. I would imagine he'll be happy to know that he is allowed to do so. Hta_evo8 Hta_evo8
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He is allowed to leave feedback based on the rules and how the transaction went down. He may be unable to do so with how the forum's feedback system functions.

A small, yet important difference.
 
Hkwinger said:
The OP stated that he thought he couldn't leave feedback because he never posted in the original sales post. I would imagine he'll be happy to know that he is allowed to do so. Hta_evo8 Hta_evo8
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My mistake, I didn't see the earlier post from the OP stating that he had not posted in the thread which he would have to do in order to leave feedback.

If the OP wishes to leave feedback, all he has to do is notify me and I will unlock the thread allowing him to post in it.
 
This thread is the perfect example of what can happen when a seller tries to stall or deny a dissatisfied forum member from returning their purchase.
It’s just not worth the negative attention.
 
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Hta_evo8 said:
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April 10 18, updated picts
I decided to go ahead and take the pivot out. I move the blade just a little bit back and forth, lo and below the detent ball fell right in.
But now you can’t put the pivot collar back on because the front scale, the blade, the back scale are all out of alignment. Now you can see in pict #1 the lock bar sit lower relative to the rest of the knife, fully closed and locked with detent ball in hole in blade.
Can’t leave negative feedback unless you’ve posted on the thread, which I did not do.

One of the pict has a rubber band on it so there’s no questions it is fully closed

AT MY COST and RISK, I will ship this knife to a third party to inspect if there’s a knowledgeable individual who would volunteer for such an undertaking and will include return postage in the form of CASH
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As far as I am concerned, if you disassembled the knife, you own it unquestionably.

There is no telling what could have been done, even accidentally. Maybe nothing, maybe an incorrect reassembly, maybe you accidentally corrected another issue. But what reds to be said, is that the knife is definitely not in the condition it left the sellers hands.

You disassemble, you keep.
(I only read the first page and replied. I will be reading the rest, and editing this to suit.)
 
NJBillK said:
As far as I am concerned, if you disassembled the knife, you own it unquestionably.

There is no telling what could have been done, even accidentally. Maybe nothing, maybe an incorrect reassembly, maybe you accidentally corrected another issue. But what reds to be said, is that the knife is definitely not in the condition it left the sellers hands.

You disassemble, you keep.
(I only read the first page and replied. I will be reading the rest, and editing this to suit.)
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This is true, that the knife needs to be returned in the original condition.
In this case however, it seems that the return was denied before the pivot was removed.
The timeline as it appears to be:
2/15 Knife purchased.
2/24 Refund requested and denied.
4/8 Pivot removed on non-returnable knife.
 
Jsega51 said:
@Boru13

It may not deal directly with this situation but Shadymethods also likes to repost knives in the exchange prior to the 14 day wait period...usually mixing and matching them to disguise it as a new thread but it’s the same handful of knives over and over with a new one mixed in. Just check his started threads looking at the knives listed and the dates and you’ll see the pattern pretty quickly.

Another avenue of dishonesty.

(Mods can see edits, so no need to delete them Shady)
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I have nothing to hide. I copy and paste my threads to re-post them and I re-post them late at night. If I made a mistake, then let it be known. I'll take the consequences and I'll fix them. Anyone else want to pile on and de-rail the thread? If I've wronged you in some other way, start your own thread.

The other thing is, I never denied him a refund. I still haven't. I don't think anyone understands that. I also don't think I'm out of line for asking for some proof for a $600+ refund on a knife that I thought was fine. If he sent something after, I never got it. I even showed my screen. I was working with him up until the end. That begs the question, why wait 6 weeks? All he's shown is that the knife harder to pull out with the pivot screw out. Yeah, when the lockbar is pushing the blade against the frame.

I have been honest and upfront with every post here. I explained what I asked of him, why I ask it, and even my thoughts at the time. He's been misleading and deceitful, saying I was out to scam him. But no, he gets a free pass. I'm frustrated, I'm pissed off, and I want to settle this once and for all.

I want the maker to take a look at it. Hell, I'll even set the thing up since I still have his contact info from last time. If Chris Martin really does run off to Mexico or something with the Skinwalker, I'll refund him. If he finds his claims to be true and not because he disassembled it, I'll refund him. If he finds everything within spec, it's his. That way, it's out of our hands and with an unbiased 3rd party. Hta_evo8, I have nothing to hide. Can you say the same?
 
Jsega51 said:
@Boru13

It may not deal directly with this situation but Shadymethods also likes to repost knives in the exchange prior to the 14 day wait period...usually mixing and matching them to disguise it as a new thread but it’s the same handful of knives over and over with a new one mixed in. Just check his started threads looking at the knives listed and the dates and you’ll see the pattern pretty quickly.

Another avenue of dishonesty.

(Mods can see edits, so no need to delete them Shady)
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The mods have looked at this Shady Methods' sales threads several times checking for early reposts. We found one last November and issued a warning at that time. Aside from that, we have not found any reposts shy of the 14-day standard.
 
ShadyMethods said:
I want the maker to take a look at it. Hell, I'll even set the thing up since I still have his contact info from last time. If Chris Martin really does run off to Mexico or something with the Skinwalker, I'll refund him. If he finds his claims to be true and not because he disassembled it, I'll refund him. If he finds everything within spec, it's his. That way, it's out of our hands and with an unbiased 3rd party. Hta_evo8, I have nothing to hide. Can you say the same?
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This. I know people mentioned not to send the knife in since the maker has reputational issues. If Shady is willing to take on the risk (e.g., he issues a refund if the knife isn't returned to either party within 90 days), that should resolve the issue.
 
tyyreaun said:
This. I know people mentioned not to send the knife in since the maker has reputational issues. If Shady is willing to take on the risk (e.g., he issues a refund if the knife isn't returned to either party within 90 days), that should resolve the issue.
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Seriously, now after all this time he’s giving hint he may be agreeable to do something,
Unbelievable !!!
 
I didn't think my offer was that hard to understand. Let me put it in a way that's easier for you: Is that a yes or a no?

One word is all it takes.

You don't get to run my name through the mud without recourse. And, I'm not going to let you put my reputation and my word on the line for fun. You don't get to just get off scot free from this. I worked hard to build a reputation here. I've been trying to be calm for the last few days and we're way past that point now. I've seen enough fake claims and baseless insults to make my blood boil. If you're going to send it somewhere, why not the maker himself?

So I'll ask again, are you willing to settle this?
 
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Unbelievable!! How long does it take for this guy to type one word. One single word.

What, didn't think I'd call you out on your bluff?

I'm putting everything on the line right now in the name of truth. If you can't do the same, you don't deserve to start a thread like this.
 
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