RMJ Tactical prices (wtf?)

shinyedges said:
Obviously that is a silly argument, on the contrary it needs people, smart competent people. That doesn't change charging more because you know people will pay it.. and there isn't anything wrong with asking a price that people will pay.
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Oh for sure, and part two of the CNC argument always becomes " since you have this magic machine that prints money you should also sell the end product for pennies(IE what the dude's credit card limit is) and make the nut to pay the bills in volume; crank out millions and it's all good".

I mean look at that thing in the picture. It's got what a dozen tools in the magazine? No need for some guy in greasy coveralls to stand next to it all day swapping heads. It will literally make money while you sleep. It's a billion times better than telemarketing.
 
Danke42 said:
Oh for sure, and part two of the CNC argument always becomes " since you have this magic machine that prints money you should also sell the end product for pennies(IE what the dude's credit card limit is) and make the nut to pay the bills in volume; crank out millions and it's all good".

I mean look at that thing in the picture. It's got what a dozen tools in the magazine? No need for some guy in greasy coveralls to stand next to it all day swapping heads. It will literally make money while you sleep. It's a billion times better than telemarketing.
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The layman's view of computer numerical control in general isn't very good. I don't mind letting people know more about it though.

I will say, it's not an interesting topic for most people :D
 
shinyedges said:
The layman's view of computer numerical control in general isn't very good. I don't mind letting people know more about it though.

I will say, it's not an interesting topic for most people :D
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I love it. I'm a "How It's Made" junkie.

The general view on those processes though seems to be that if someone doesn't understand how something is done it must be easy to do. Never the opposite.
 
Danke42 said:
I love it. I'm a "How It's Made" junkie.

The general view on those processes though seems to be that if someone doesn't understand how something is done it must be easy to do. Never the opposite.
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That would be an incorrect assumption. It is super easy to make mistakes that cost 50,000 though. I'm not kidding, an error on the nlx2500 is horrendously expensive, it can easily exceed 50k actually.

Better to have someone who knows what's going on putting their grubby mitts on it than cheap out on labor and pay through the nose.

So yea, costly mistakes are very easy :D
 
shinyedges said:
That would be an incorrect assumption. It is super easy to make mistakes that cost 50,000 though. I'm not kidding, an error on the nlx2500 is horrendously expensive, it can easily exceed 50k actually.

Better to have someone who knows what's going on putting their grubby mitts on it than cheap out on labor and pay through the nose.

So yea, costly mistakes are very easy :D
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Yeah for sure. That's why the guy running the mill doesn't want to know how much that chunk of billet cost.
 
I meant to sit this out, but I want to clarify a couple of things. First, are you guys implying that it takes a 5-axis CNC mill to make a tomahawk?

Speaking of which, Shinyedges, thanks for posting about the machine. They're really amazing! A couple years ago, I ordered a set of 4 custom pistons for my race car from the manufacturer Ross. Prior to that, a set from CP. In each case, they looked like jewels, and they cost about $600 for the set. Very complex shapes, and very tight tolerances in dimension and weight. Far cry from, say, a tomahawk.

Craytab was right, things got very contentious in questioning the cost. Disagreements of opinion are fine, but I have a problem when it gets personal and people question my ability and competence. Which is the second thing I'd like to clarify; I'm happy to post up pictures of things I've made over the years. As I alluded to above, I have a race car. I've done a lot of fabrication on it over the years, including a fair bit of machining. If you're interested in seeing that and what I've done, then check out this thread (fabrication starts at about page 15):

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/spi...66-1994/156125-pics-duetto-racer-buildup.html

I know, seeing the knives I've recently made is more applicable. When I'm feeling more motivated, maybe I'll jump through the hoops to set up a separate Photobucket account or whatever to host the images. Kind of a pain, though.
 
It clearly does not take a 5 axis mill to make a hawk since they were in common use prior to man's dominion over electricity.

You want to talk WTF prices start explaining Alfa and don't talk about soul.
 
Danke42 said:
It clearly does not take a 5 axis mill to make a hawk since they were in common use prior to man's dominion over electricity.

You want to talk WTF prices start explaining Alfa and don't talk about soul.
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First part of your quote is hilarious!

Happy to talk car prices, Danke42. As some of you are probably figuring out, I'm cheap about a lot of my hobbies. I do most of my own work, and I stubbornly refuse to pay MSRP, so all my cars (eight of them) are bought used. I bought that '69 Alfa Spider (in obviously rough condition) for $2500 back in '07.
 
Nader393 said:
I meant to sit this out, but I want to clarify a couple of things. First, are you guys implying that it takes a 5-axis CNC mill to make a tomahawk?

Speaking of which, Shinyedges, thanks for posting about the machine. They're really amazing! A couple years ago, I ordered a set of 4 custom pistons for my race car from the manufacturer Ross. Prior to that, a set from CP. In each case, they looked like jewels, and they cost about $600 for the set. Very complex shapes, and very tight tolerances in dimension and weight. Far cry from, say, a tomahawk.

Craytab was right, things got very contentious in questioning the cost. Disagreements of opinion are fine, but I have a problem when it gets personal and people question my ability and competence. Which is the second thing I'd like to clarify; I'm happy to post up pictures of things I've made over the years. As I alluded to above, I have a race car. I've done a lot of fabrication on it over the years, including a fair bit of machining. If you're interested in seeing that and what I've done, then check out this thread (fabrication starts at about page 15):

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/spi...66-1994/156125-pics-duetto-racer-buildup.html

I know, seeing the knives I've recently made is more applicable. When I'm feeling more motivated, maybe I'll jump through the hoops to set up a separate Photobucket account or whatever to host the images. Kind of a pain, though.
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Start an imgur account, free hosting. Photobucket charges now.
 
Yes, someone mentioned imgur back on page 2. I've been messing with it but it's still cumbersome (probably on my end) so I'm not sold on that site yet. But man, it has some really funny content! Could spend hours there!
 
RMJ 'Jungle Combat' black Out edition, Sick Steve 'Raider' dagger, and a Sick Steve 'Utsidihi'.

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RMJ full custom 'Mini Jenny' and 'Raider' dagger.

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So, finally figured out how to upload images. The point was to show better fasteners. I see you get flared ferrules on a $500 Tomahawk. Simple and effective, but disappointingly cheap and unserviceable if you break a scale.

Here’s a knife I made a couple weeks ago, they are getting better as I learn. It is 3/16” 0–1 tool steel, with brass liners and G-10 scale’s health together by countersunk fine-pitch titanium fasteners threaded into brass barrel nuts I made from scratch. The knife isn’t finished yet, needs more work on the handles and blade, but you get the idea.

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Nader393 said:
So, finally figured out how to upload images. The point was to show better fasteners. I see you get flared ferrules on a $500 Tomahawk. Simple and effective, but disappointingly cheap and unserviceable if you break a scale.

Here’s a knife I made a couple weeks ago, they are getting better as I learn. It is 3/16” 0–1 tool steel, with brass liners and G-10 scale’s health together by countersunk fine-pitch titanium fasteners threaded into brass barrel nuts I made from scratch. The knife isn’t finished yet, needs more work on the handles and blade, but you get the idea.

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Such hubris, At least you followed through. But You've got a long way before it looks like your knocking RMJ off the throne. That grind isn't going to cut anything. Too thick.
What you lack in humility you make up in tenacity. Keep at it. But right now, not impressed, take a seat. Be humble
 
I knew that posting up pictures of an unfinished knife would invite additional criticism. My intent was to show the fasteners.

Like I said, the blade and the handle both need additional work. Scales are not cracked, that’s just some minor surface scuffing. Still needs to be sanded. Blade obviously needs additional grinding, I’m waiting on a 2 x 72 belt grinder. Then it all needs heat treatment and tempering.

I’m not claiming that my work is anywhere near professional. Like I said, I just started doing this, and this is I think the third knife I made in the last month. It’s fun. I have a couple others that are almost done, and a couple more on the way.
 
Nader393 said:
I knew that posting up pictures of an unfinished knife would invite additional criticism. My intent was to show the fasteners.

Like I said, the blade and the handle both need additional work. Scales are not cracked, that’s just some minor surface scuffing. Still needs to be sanded. Blade obviously needs additional grinding, I’m waiting on a 2 x 72 belt grinder. Then it all needs heat treatment and tempering.

I’m not claiming that my work is anywhere near professional. Like I said, I just started doing this, and this is I think the third knife I made in the last month. It’s fun. I have a couple others that are almost done, and a couple more on the way.
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It's good for you, everybody gets a slice of humbleberry pie eventually. Keeps you grounded in reality. Keep up the work, just dial down the arrogance.

Take it easy,
Shawn.
 
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