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Coyotes don't particularly bother me... What I really don't like is the number of pet (and feral) cats that roam free day and night. They have put a big dent in songbird populations in areas where the rodent population is relatively controlled. Also cats, and fire ants here in Texas, have a huge impact on ground-nesting birds, horned toads, and other small lizards. Personally, my opinion is that, unless you have a farm or ranch with rodents in your barn, you've got no business letting your cat roam outside unattended. Put 'em on a least if they need fresh air...
 
JT: How is it that Tennessee has snow BEFORE New Hampshire? What kind of black magic you workin' down there?


....OK, I take that back, phew! Mountains of NH covered in snow. For a minute there I thought armageddon was knocking at the door.
 
GSO1962 said:
Personally, my opinion is that, unless you have a farm or ranch with rodents in your barn, you've got no business letting your cat roam outside unattended. Put 'em on a least if they need fresh air...
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my cat kept the mice under control in the yard - no farm, no barn. Kept them out of the HOUSE. Those things are the primary vectors for deer ticks which carry lyme disease. Hanta Virus too. Yum Yum.
 
GSO1962 said:
Coyotes don't particularly bother me... What I really don't like is the number of pet (and feral) cats that roam free day and night. They have put a big dent in songbird populations in areas where the rodent population is relatively controlled. Also cats, and fire ants here in Texas, have a huge impact on ground-nesting birds, horned toads, and other small lizards. Personally, my opinion is that, unless you have a farm or ranch with rodents in your barn, you've got no business letting your cat roam outside unattended. Put 'em on a least if they need fresh air...
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This. They also knock over trash cans, leave paw prints and sometimes worse on people's vehicles, and are annoying to listen to when they want to be let in. One of my neighbors in my apartment complex would put their cat out at night and it would want to be let in about an hour or so before they woke up. So it would sit in front of their door and be as obnoxious as possible until it got let back in. Haven't heard it in a while though.
 
james terrio said:
It snowed in the mountains last night, so we went up to look around. Pretty.

The Little Pigeon River near Cade's Cove...

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Further down the mountain...

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Becker content...

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Man, it is real pretty down there. I might just have to end up down I'm TN one of these days.

Yours truly lookin' suave as usual...

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Classy.
 
granitestateofmind said:
JT: How is it that Tennessee has snow BEFORE New Hampshire? What kind of black magic you workin' down there?
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It's pretty early for snow here. We brought all our plants in containers inside earlier this week, since temps are dipping down near freezing at night even here in the valley. All indicators point toward a long, tough winter.
 
GSO1962 said:
Coyotes don't particularly bother me... What I really don't like is the number of pet (and feral) cats that roam free day and night. They have put a big dent in songbird populations in areas where the rodent population is relatively controlled. Also cats, and fire ants here in Texas, have a huge impact on ground-nesting birds, horned toads, and other small lizards. Personally, my opinion is that, unless you have a farm or ranch with rodents in your barn, you've got no business letting your cat roam outside unattended. Put 'em on a least if they need fresh air...
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i'm a big fan of the idea that most cats should stay inside. always.

working animals? they can have their outdoors, and have protected shelters, and come in too...

but having 500 condos next to wetlands with roaming cats? not so much.

scapegoat... mmm, recipe for that :D
 
This TOPS Frog Market Special just came in the mail this morning. Haven't had time to use it for anything yet but it will be in the kitchen for dinner this eve. Very interesting blade. It's 1095.

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came with a pretty nice kydex sheath. This knife is very light.

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I have always felt sorry for the coyote. I wish he could finally grab that damn roadrunner and grill it.
 
granitestateofmind said:
........ I'd have a hard time believing that western coyotes, which typically don't top 30 lbs., could do any damage to mature livestock - unless you're raising rabbits. Coyotes? People always hatin' and looking for a scapegoat, IMO.
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That's why my post specifically states CALVES AND GOATS. Coyotes only go for mature livestock if it's already damn near dead and unable to run away/defend itself. Calves, goats and sheep are another matter.

One instance... my brother went outside one morning and while drinking a cup of coffee was looking over the pasture closest to the house. He looked over each cow/calf pair he could see, finished his coffee, went inside for another cup and came back out. One of the cows was running and he couldn't see her calf. Then, in the vicinity of where he had seen the pair (about 100 yards away from the house), a coyote head popped up and howled. He went inside, got one of his deer rifles and went back out. He waited a bit and the coyote stuck his head up again to howl. Bam. One less coyote. About that time here came another coyote in response to the howls (dinner bell I guess). Bam. 2 down. Before they figured out what was going on, he got 4 of the damn things. Every calf killed by a coyote takes 2000+ pounds of beef of the market 2 years from now. And that is NOT tax deductible.

My neighbor across the road stepped out on his back porch back in July and while checking out his pasture, a coyote jumped out of the knee high pasture grass to chase Molly, his 50# Australian Cattledog, not 40 feet from the house. Molly got away only because she ran under a truck and could defend herself until Eldon could pull out the rifle from porch rack.

My cousin last nearly 2 dozen goats to coyotes the spring and summer of 2013, effectively putting him out of the goat business for 2 -3 years.

I've only heard of 2 coyote on human attacks and both were on young children wandering loose in the brush out west somewhere, I think in New Mexico and/or Arizona, so yeah pit bulls, and German Shepherds and even Chihuahuas are worse. All have more human attacks than coyotes over the last 20 years.
 
As a teenager, I knew a guy who had a German Shepherd Dog/ Coyote mix. The owner said it could turn mean in a split second, and he warned us not to tease it. I never did that, but it looked like it had one too many Acme anvils dropped on its flat head. Goofy lookin' dog, but it never acted crazy around me.
 
Gratuitous dog saves dog from coyote clip.
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tanglediver said:
As a teenager, I knew a guy who had a German Shepherd Dog/ Coyote mix. The owner said it could turn mean in a split second, and he warned us not to tease it. I never did that, but it looked like it had one too many Acme anvils dropped on its flat head. Goofy lookin' dog, but it never acted crazy around me.
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On these mixes, the names assigned are father/mother...

so the results of a coyote male/dog female is a

coydog

and the results of a male dog and female coyote is a

dogote.

These hybrids are USUALLY quite gentle, don't bark much, but do have a higher pitch yip instead. They dig a lot, like road kill, and tend to be skittish around strangers but also have to be shown who is "ALPHA" frequently. Also relatively rare as the mating cycles of coyotes and dogs don't usually match up.
 
zzyzzogeton said:
On these mixes, the names assigned are father/mother...

so the results of a coyote male/dog female is a

coydog

and the results of a male dog and female coyote is a

dogote.

These hybrids are USUALLY quite gentle, don't bark much, but do have a higher pitch yip instead. They dig a lot, like road kill, and tend to be skittish around strangers but also have to be shown who is "ALPHA" frequently. Also relatively rare as the mating cycles of coyotes and dogs don't usually match up.
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Plus coyote pups are raised by both parents, sometimes with the help of a sibling, so "coydog" pups don't generally survive, since one of the parents (usually the male) is absent.
Historic research documented domestic dog/coyote hybrids, referred to as coydogs, birthing during winter months. Since male domestic dogs that manage to pair with a female coyote do not remain with her to assist in parental care, the young rarely survive. However, recent DNA sampling of northeastern coyote tissue, by Dr. Roland Kays of the New York State Museum along with fifteen other national and international researchers, found their genetic material was primarily from of coyotes origin (82 percent), with a minor contribution from dogs (9 percent) and wolves (9 percent).
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(Eastern Coyotes)
And this:
The great majority of coyotes don't prey upon livestock. However, once a coyote learns that young livestock are easy prey, depredation can become a problem. If this occurs, removal of the offending coyote is often recommended. However, when farms are situated in a coyote territory with no depredation, the resident coyote may actually be an asset to the farm by removing rodents and preventing problem coyotes from moving into the area.
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turned a zucchini the side of a very large cat into a big container of zoodles, and the rest of the insides, seeds, and strings got combined with onion mush, sweet corn, and lots of chilis and simmered until it was thick and what i like to call ZucchSlime...

made a 7.5 rotisserie chicken...

have a roaring fire.

ah. good times.
 
tanglediver said:
As a teenager, I knew a guy who had a German Shepherd Dog/ Coyote mix. The owner said it could turn mean in a split second, and he warned us not to tease it. I never did that, but it looked like it had one too many Acme anvils dropped on its flat head. Goofy lookin' dog, but it never acted crazy around me.
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zzyzzogeton said:
On these mixes, the names assigned are father/mother...

so the results of a coyote male/dog female is a

coydog

and the results of a male dog and female coyote is a

dogote.

These hybrids are USUALLY quite gentle, don't bark much, but do have a higher pitch yip instead. They dig a lot, like road kill, and tend to be skittish around strangers but also have to be shown who is "ALPHA" frequently. Also relatively rare as the mating cycles of coyotes and dogs don't usually match up.
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About 25 years ago, when we moved to Sierra Vista, Arizona, we got a couple dogs from the animal shelter. One was assumed to be a coydog, the assumption being a coyote male had his way with a female chow. We called her Brandy, and she had the orange color and a bit of a mane like a chow, along with "pantaloons" of hair on her hind legs. She also had dark yellow eyes, which really intimidated strangers. Between her and the Lab/Retriever mix male in the back yard and house (we had a dog door in the laundry room), our house was the only one on the block that didn't have some small theft or vandalism. Hood ornaments (Mercedes of course), ceramic garden frogs, a book of checks in an unlocked car....this stuff happened to neighbors, but not us.

We were worried when we were expecting our daughter since chows don't have a great reputation with kids and we had no idea about the coyote part. Brandy turned out to be incredibly protective and gentle with our daughter, Sarah. Sarah could crawl on Brandy, pull on her lips, whiskers, eye lids, etc... No reaction other than licking the little "hairless puppy." Brandy was absolutely the best dog with Sarah and our son when he was born. The problem with dogs is that they don't live longer lives...sigh....

Another interesting note about Brandy. I've read that canid hybrids are typically fertile, as opposed to horse/donkey hybrids (aka mule). When we first got Brandy, we took her to the vet to be "fixed." After the procedure, he said he didn't find any female plumping to remove and closed her back up. The vet had no explanation, and was pretty sure she hadn't already been sterilized by an earlier owner since he could find no evidence of scar tissue from a previous surgery either on the skin or in the abdominal wall.
 
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