Ryan Posey aka SPYfanman-Where is the birthday card (certificate of Authenticity) ?

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Yep, making a mental note NEVER to buy from or sell to Spy. Dino, hope paypal gets your money back to you.
 
Spy you can't win this argument. You can't. You need to realize that and decide if sticking to your "point" is worth not being able to buy and sell on BF; cause that's what you're looking at. Bottom line.
 
Spy here's the problem you are missing. Maybe it was an oversight you didn't post in the ad the replaced part deal. Maybe you assumed everyone was a crk expert and would catch on. So an honest start, right? The problem is the issue was called out and the right thing to do is refund. Your refusal to do this is now making these folks on here think you are a swindler or bad man as my kid calls shifty folks. You really have no choice, but to undo the deal. Honest intentions or not......refusing after its been explained by all these folks translates to swindler. Your choice, swindler or honest guy who isn't perfect when it comes t selling a knife. Easy choice to me, but what do I know.
 
SPYfanman said:
Thanks you. :thumbup: At least one person sees it from my point of view. Now, since everyone has their own idea as to the definition of "new", behold as quoted straight from Merriam-Webster Dictionary found here:



Definition of NEW
1: having recently come into existence : recent, modern
2a (1) : having been seen, used, or known for a short time : novel <rice was a new crop for the area> (2) : unfamiliar <visit new places> b : being other than the former or old <a steady flow of new money>
3: having been in a relationship or condition but a short time <new to the job> <a new wife>
4a : beginning as the resumption or repetition of a previous act or thing <a new day> <the new edition> b : made or become fresh <awoke a new person> c : relating to or being a new moon
5: different from one of the same category that has existed previously <new realism>
6: of dissimilar origin and usually of superior quality <a new strain of hybrid corn>
7capitalized : modern 3; especially : having been in use after medieval times


Nowhere listed are the terms, unaltered, unmodified, original, fresh from factory. Just the opposite - "original" is listed as an antonym of the word "new".


Nonetheless, it seems the general sentiment amongst forum members is that the definition of "new" should encompass the terms original, factory fresh. Or should it? I agree with ooitzoo in that the clarification of terms would be a good thing to be incorporated into Bladeforum's policy. I think there is nothing more to say on my part that hasn't already been said in my defense so the future of this thread will be in the hands of the majority.

In light of all the comments, particularly those more intelligent and respectful ones, two things will be carefully looked at and re-adjusted on my part in future listings to insure more pleasant transactions:

One, in keeping with Bladeforum's Policy, all future transactions will have to have both parties satisfied. If neither one is, then the deal is off despite buyer's rudeness, disrespect, and/or poor communication.

Two, now that sufficient light has been brought forth with regards to knife "history" vs "condition" and its importance to potential buyers even if it appeals to a minority and even if any changes have been made and can CLEARLY be seen, then they should be noted as well.

As far as this transaction goes, it is in PayPal's hands. I trust the good folks there will make the right decision and whatever they decide is just and fair, I will honor it, both in keeping with BladeForum's Policy and Paypal's Policy.
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WHOA. WTF?

I don't know how my statement can be read as an endorsement of your actions. I was merely stating that you don't strike me as a fraudster and folks should stop referring to you as such. That's all. Just providing a dispassionate view of things.

As far as the Paypal dispute goes, you should voluntarily refund the buyers money. Its as simple as that. This isn't a "future" transaction thread. If you don't fix this, again voluntarily, there is no future for you on these forums. As it stands right now, you might be able to salvage some reputation from this. If you wait for PP to adjudicate this then your rep is frakked utterly and totally. That's just a fact. Folks have a long memory on the forum and I can assure you that changing your BF username won't help.
 
Bastid said:
Bottom line.

The knife was not new. It had parts replaced. It should have been sold with that full disclosure; it was not.

I hope the right thing happens. Buyer should get a full refund and the B.S. should stop.
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This.

This isn't complicated at all; and the problem (IMO) doesn't lie in the definition of "New". Yes, the parts that the knife was assembled with are new, but good lord, the knife had been dismantled! That is important information that should be included in the ad (so much for full disclosure). I don't know if the seller intended to leave out this info or is just lacking some common sense, but the solution should be obvious. It isn't in Paypal's hands--you're more than capable of taking the steps to resolve this yourself.
 
Spy, why don't you contact Chris or Heather at CRK and ask them if they consider this knife new and would warranty it with the modifications you have made.

The answer is no and you failed to communicate this in your listing. It has already been stated but pictures do not absolve you of misrepresenting an item. They tell a side of the story, but your description tells the rest.

Just put yourself in Dino's shoes. How would you feel if you were on the receiving end of an item you believed to be new, untouched and unmodified. Only it isn't and not only is it not what you expected, but you also cannot send it in for servicing should it need it, nor undo the sale because the seller refuses.

Do the right thing.
 
I think it boils down to expectations. Seller believed he could describe as new because parts were unused. As a buyer one expects new to mean as delivered by factory. Another important consideration is that new sebenza indicates the item is covered under the same warranty as items sold from CRK. If I bought the knife knowing nothing about Sebbies and sent it in for warranty repair only to find it was not covered; I would consider the representation as "new" completely false.
 
SPYfanman,

Thank you. Until this thread showed up, I had never used my ignore list. I didn't even know where to navigate to use it. You have inspired me. I hope you man up and make this right on your own, but I'll bet you won't. In any case, I hope Dino gets his money back.

Regards,

Sean
 
damn, this is just ridiculous. Dino, i hope you get your money back soon.

Spy- you should call up CRK and ask if they consider the knife you put together "new". If they agree, then i guess we will have all learned something new.
 
Deafening silence on SPYfanmans part, is screaming guilty.

My last word in this thread is that I hope you get your money back, and I hope SPY learns what it means to be honest.
 
Relatively new BF member and closely watching how situations like this are resolved here on bladeforums.

Though this is a civil matter and anyone can define "new" how they please. Isn't theft just theft? Depriving one of property (even through misrepresentation of fact) .

Steve
 
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Skimo said:
Deafening silence on SPYfanmans part, is screaming guilty.

My last word in this thread is that I hope you get your money back, and I hope SPY learns what it means to be honest.
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I guess I broke my own silence by responding to a comment that "screams" a response necessary ....or maybe not. Deafening silence on my part means screaming guilty? - Try reading post #56 again before you make a comment. Most noteably, the part where I say "I think there is nothing more to say on my part that hasn't already been said in my defense so the future of this thread will be in the hands of the majority."



One Final Note:

As my final words on the matter, I think it less of "manning up" and more of "standing up for what one believes in". Did I believe in what I was selling, the way I was selling it, and those reasons why the upgrades were made? Wholeheartedly. At the time, did I have all the information regarding general term usage and how "most" members interpret those terms here? Apparantly not so. Did I ever mention that it was "original" or BNIB? No. Did I deliberatly leave those words out to try to "swindle" some lucky soul or sucker that person into a deal which would most likely leave both parties with a foul taste in the mouth? No. Had I been a good "swindler" or "scammer", would I ever bother to respond and read comments in this thread? I certainly think not. With over 200 plus transactions on Ebay, all positive totalling 100 percent rating, I think has earned me a little right to comment on scammers. Getting back to BladeForums....

So what follows next? Well, as already stated in my previous post, in light of the new information that has been so appreciatingly to my attention, definite changes will be made on MY part with future listings with regards to both item history and upholding Bladeforum's return policy in event both parties are not satisfied. As far as this situation, there was never any mention of a "no returns policy" in the original thread. Not out of intention to swindle but rather never had a problem in the past with this issue. Had Mr. Kalaitzidis responded upon receiving the knife in respectful, non-rude manner or even just told me his concerns about the knife in the first place instead of heading straight to a third party, this thread probably wouldn't even exist. Had he not trashed my original sales thread and also made what were (respectful) private messages all public then this thread probably wouldn't exist. Does it make sense if one is having a problem with a neighbor to go directly to the police and file a complaint instead of first trying to talk with that neighbor to work it out? Yes, Mr. Kalaitzidis can come out now and say he said this and that and I didn't respond or did respond but the timeline is all recorded and evidence submitted to Paypal. It is where he originally chose to take it.
Will this "standing up for what one believes in" negatively effect my ability to buy and sell here? Maybe it already has and nothing can be done about it. To those individuals that see a less than 100 percent feedback score and deem that individual as inadequate or untrustworthy to buy and sell amongst the others, well so be it? Those individuals would also fail to take into account both what was mentioned here on my part regarding FUTURE dealings on Bladeforums with respect to policy matters and general listing terms and how I would modify them this point forward. Those individuals would also fail to see the previous POSITIVE feedback which greatly outnumber the one undeserved NEGATIVE feeback. Should those individuals comprise the majority of persons buying and selling on Bladeforums Exchange, then perhaps my future buying and selling options do indeed look bleak going into the future.
 
SPYfanman said:
I guess I broke my own silence by responding to a comment that "screams" a response necessary ....or maybe not. Deafening silence on my part means screaming guilty? - Try reading post #56 again before you make a comment. Most noteably, the part where I say "I think there is nothing more to say on my part that hasn't already been said in my defense so the future of this thread will be in the hands of the majority."



One Final Note:

As my final words on the matter, I think it less of "manning up" and more of "standing up for what one believes in". Did I believe in what I was selling, the way I was selling it, and those reasons why the upgrades were made? Wholeheartedly. At the time, did I have all the information regarding general term usage and how "most" members interpret those terms here? Apparantly not so. Did I ever mention that it was "original" or BNIB? No. Did I deliberatly leave those words out to try to "swindle" some lucky soul or sucker that person into a deal which would most likely leave both parties with a foul taste in the mouth? No. Had I been a good "swindler" or "scammer", would I ever bother to respond and read comments in this thread? I certainly think not. With over 200 plus transactions on Ebay, all positive totalling 100 percent rating, I think has earned me a little right to comment on scammers. Getting back to BladeForums....

So what follows next? Well, as already stated in my previous post, in light of the new information that has been so appreciatingly to my attention, definite changes will be made on MY part with future listings with regards to both item history and upholding Bladeforum's return policy in event both parties are not satisfied. As far as this situation, there was never any mention of a "no returns policy" in the original thread. Not out of intention to swindle but rather never had a problem in the past with this issue. Had Mr. Kalaitzidis responded upon receiving the knife in respectful, non-rude manner or even just told me his concerns about the knife in the first place instead of heading straight to a third party, this thread probably wouldn't even exist. Had he not trashed my original sales thread and also made what were (respectful) private messages all public then this thread probably wouldn't exist. Does it make sense if one is having a problem with a neighbor to go directly to the police and file a complaint instead of first trying to talk with that neighbor to work it out? Yes, Mr. Kalaitzidis can come out now and say he said this and that and I didn't respond or did respond but the timeline is all recorded and evidence submitted to Paypal. It is where he originally chose to take it.
Will this "standing up for what one believes in" negatively effect my ability to buy and sell here? Maybe it already has and nothing can be done about it. To those individuals that see a less than 100 percent feedback score and deem that individual as inadequate or untrustworthy to buy and sell amongst the others, well so be it? Those individuals would also fail to take into account both what was mentioned here on my part regarding FUTURE dealings on Bladeforums with respect to policy matters and general listing terms and how I would modify them this point forward. Those individuals would also fail to see the previous POSITIVE feedback which greatly outnumber the one undeserved NEGATIVE feeback. Should those individuals comprise the majority of persons buying and selling on Bladeforums Exchange, then perhaps my future buying and selling options do indeed look bleak going into the future.
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i will never be selling to, or buying from you. and i might as well email a link to this thread to anyone who purchases anything from you. the email wont have to say anything eather. it doesent have to. all the idiotic things youve said here speak volumes.
 
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Yep...your buying selling future on BF look pretty bleak to me too. Best of luck to the OP, I don't think the seller is gonna do the right thing. I hate that.

Lee
 
In my defense, I do stand by what I listed. New is "new", "unused". Non-new is "used". The knife CLEARLY shown in the photos is "new", "used".

Help! You are baffling me with utter gibberish.
 
First off, there was no lying involved as pictures do not lie last time I checked. If one can see something with his or her own eyes, does that not make it true?

You mean we've actually REALLY been able to teleport all these years? Well bugger me . I thought it was just in the pictures.According to you its TRUE. You should look that up in the dictionary as well.

BTW it doesn't make it true.
 
SPYfanman said:
I guess I broke my own silence by responding to a comment that "screams" a response necessary ....or maybe not. Deafening silence on my part means screaming guilty? - Try reading post #56 again before you make a comment. Most noteably, the part where I say "I think there is nothing more to say on my part that hasn't already been said in my defense so the future of this thread will be in the hands of the majority."



One Final Note:

As my final words on the matter, I think it less of "manning up" and more of "standing up for what one believes in". Did I believe in what I was selling, the way I was selling it, and those reasons why the upgrades were made? Wholeheartedly. At the time, did I have all the information regarding general term usage and how "most" members interpret those terms here? Apparantly not so. Did I ever mention that it was "original" or BNIB? No. Did I deliberatly leave those words out to try to "swindle" some lucky soul or sucker that person into a deal which would most likely leave both parties with a foul taste in the mouth? No. Had I been a good "swindler" or "scammer", would I ever bother to respond and read comments in this thread? I certainly think not. With over 200 plus transactions on Ebay, all positive totalling 100 percent rating, I think has earned me a little right to comment on scammers. Getting back to BladeForums....

So what follows next? Well, as already stated in my previous post, in light of the new information that has been so appreciatingly to my attention, definite changes will be made on MY part with future listings with regards to both item history and upholding Bladeforum's return policy in event both parties are not satisfied. As far as this situation, there was never any mention of a "no returns policy" in the original thread. Not out of intention to swindle but rather never had a problem in the past with this issue. Had Mr. Kalaitzidis responded upon receiving the knife in respectful, non-rude manner or even just told me his concerns about the knife in the first place instead of heading straight to a third party, this thread probably wouldn't even exist. Had he not trashed my original sales thread and also made what were (respectful) private messages all public then this thread probably wouldn't exist. Does it make sense if one is having a problem with a neighbor to go directly to the police and file a complaint instead of first trying to talk with that neighbor to work it out? Yes, Mr. Kalaitzidis can come out now and say he said this and that and I didn't respond or did respond but the timeline is all recorded and evidence submitted to Paypal. It is where he originally chose to take it.
Will this "standing up for what one believes in" negatively effect my ability to buy and sell here? Maybe it already has and nothing can be done about it. To those individuals that see a less than 100 percent feedback score and deem that individual as inadequate or untrustworthy to buy and sell amongst the others, well so be it? Those individuals would also fail to take into account both what was mentioned here on my part regarding FUTURE dealings on Bladeforums with respect to policy matters and general listing terms and how I would modify them this point forward. Those individuals would also fail to see the previous POSITIVE feedback which greatly outnumber the one undeserved NEGATIVE feeback. Should those individuals comprise the majority of persons buying and selling on Bladeforums Exchange, then perhaps my future buying and selling options do indeed look bleak going into the future.
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Wow... :thumbdn::thumbdn::rolleyes: ...You really don't get it. Count me in among those who will no longer have any interest in buying from, selling to, or trading with you.
 
dinokay said:
ino,



No one is playing games here....except possibly you. I never had problems before with anyone purchasing something from me, then later deciding they don't want it because they changed their mind. You made the purchase knowing what you were getting and then later deciding you want something different. Well, that is the beauty of "catch-and-release". If the knife doesn't suit you, you are always welcome to turn around and re-sell it. If you would like to take it to the next level with Paypal, I am happy to dispute it and also happy with whatever they decide is fair.


Regards,
Ryan




Talk about "catch-and-release" didn't you just purchase this knife from bmw31159 on ebay item #320806583350, replaced the parts you wanted and resold it on Bladeforums without accurately describing the item. Ail this was done within the last 25 days, I would call that premeditated fraud.
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This shows the seller has a really bad attitude and doesn't understand, the buyer can return the damn knife in the condition he received it in and get his money back, for no other reason than he's not happy. It doesn't matter if it was brand new or not. Buyer isn't happy with the actual knife, once he sees it in person, give him a refund and re-sell it YOURSELF, don't act like a baby and have a little fit over it!
 
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