Rycen took my sons hope away.

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When someone gets flagged by the mods for shady dealings, they are not allowed to continue selling until they square away unfinished business. This seems very disorganized on his (Over Kills) end. The refund should have been issued immediately and an email with clearly stated reasons when it became clear that the knife would be delayed for an unknown amount of time. Anything less is just asking for problems, period. As for the sick child story, I sure hope that is not the case. I would not wish that on anyone. But the timing on this is just nuts.

Holding someone else accountable other than yourself for issues you have personal or otherwise is nothing more than a huge lack of responsibility and a display of immaturity. As a seller, it is your responsibility to communicate things to your buyer in a somewhat efficient manner. Failure to do so results in this situation. It's a pet peeve of mine when people screw up and try to cover up and blame it on everyone else. I have more respect for people that admit to their mistakes and take responsibility for them, than creative storytelling.
 
drift draft said:
I bought a knife for $324 from Over Kill on May 27th and sent payment via Paypal that night. The next morning he PMed me this.



Having good feedback, I decided to let him hold the money until the knife was found.

After no word from him for about 6 days it I sent him this on June 3rd.


After 2 more days of of still no response and seeing him on the Forum several times daily, I sent this on June 5th:



I got this reply June 5th:


On June 7th after no word from him, I requested refund:


Three days later on June 10th I get this:


He insisted that this was my fault for not asking for a refund the first day. The rest of this took place on June 13th:


Until this point, neither cancer nor his son had been mentioned once:


So I give him another chance to send either one:


He tells me he can't do either:


At this point I realized talking to him would get me nowhere so I contacted Paypal for a dispute.
Next time I looked he had been banned.

That is when the emails started.

1st email: Well, I hope your happy. You got me banned because of this. My son is probably going to die now and If he dies because I cant pay for his treatment you will be the first to hear about it.

2nd email: I want you to know he is my life and if he dies, well i know where you live.

Still no refund or knife! I gave him 16 days to do the right thing, and stand behind my decision to go through Paypal for a refund.

I'm very sorry for his hardships, but what would you guys have done?

drift draft
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I think you handled this just fine.....probably better than I would've to be quite honest. I dealt with this guy last year regarding his interest in an item I had for sale.......let's just say we exchanged harsh words in private. I trust people to the point they prove un-trustworthy and I believe this situation more than passed that point.....this smells fishy from the get-go.
 
Lone_Wolfe said:
^^^ This. I just went through a year of cancer treatments, and one thing posted in every cancer center that I was in was a notice saying help was available for people who couldn't afford their treatment.
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i agree 100% with what you say. when i was in the hospital back in april, the hospital gave me 100% credit on my bill since i am not insured. i'm sure he can get the same help as you and i did for his child.
 
richard j said:
i agree 100% with what you say. when i was in the hospital back in april, the hospital gave me 100% credit on my bill since i am not insured. i'm sure he can get the same help as you and i did for his child.
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It actually costs me more because I had insurance than if I had none. :rolleyes:

I'll point out something else that makes Over Kill's argument seem bogus. $200 wouldn't even pay the co-pay on a single dose of chemo. Just one outpatient chemo costs $10,000-$30,000.
 
You should always give the benefit of the doubt in my opinion. Assuming what overkill said is true, I give him all my best wishes and prayers; however, despite whatever circumstance he may be in, it doesn't justify his ranting on this thread--not that it even helps the situation he is in.

Should his situation be only but a story, that is not only distasteful but disrespectful to the individuals that have been or currently are in such a dilemma. Regardless, best wishes to both overkill and drift draft. And to overkill-- if you really are in the situation you claim to be in I really do hope for the best for you and your family.
 
Murdamook said:
I applaud drift draft for not getting enraged at the "I know where you live" remark.
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+1. I just have to say it is decidedly convenient that this part was left out of the OP's original post in this thread. IMHO, the fact that this was done is a classic example of "flavoring" a point of view by omitting something which would normally cause a person to point his finger directly at himself while playing the blame-game or while insulting another's character.

With that said...if the OP's story is true, then I wish both he and his son the very best.
 
And this, folks, is why I will never, ever trade or buy/sell on BF. Not because anyone is "bad," but rather because there just seems to be too many people--members and makers alike--who love this knife hobby/habit too much, despite being precariously close to the financial edge.

I don't believe that half of the subjects of complaint in this subforum are bad people or scammers. Rather, it often seems they are broke and desperate dudes trying anything to get out of a scrape.
 
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2nd email: I want you to know he is my life and if he dies, well i know where you live.

This seems like a threat and isn't that illegal, especially since the address is known to the sender?

Sick son or not sending healing prayers.
 
I would hope no parent would lie about their child having an ailment, especially a life threatening one, let alone holding it over someone's head and using it to threaten an individual to get out of responsibility for poor sales ethics over a few hundred dollars.

Then again, stress can do funny things to one's personality and I can't imagine anything more stressful than an ailing child.

Best of luck to all involved and if the child is ill, good thoughts going up.
 
I say good job mods! I'm calling BS also! I believe if the cancer thing was truthful he would have mentioned in one of his sales threads that he was selling off his knives to help pay for his sons cancer treatment. To me this sounds more like an addict trying to lie his way out of a wrong doing. And the threats, NO ONE should be allowed on here that is threatening people like that!! If I were the party threatened I would teach this character a lesson and have him picked up for the threats! There is absolutely no reason at all for him to do that other than he is desperate and became enraged. Unfortunately he crossed the line by typing that. BAN this character so he doesn't threaten anyone else here or take their money.
 
The seller's story doesn't add up, not to mention his behavior. The threat is enough to keep him banned IMO.
 
Overkill,first and foremost I would like to say that I am sorry to hear that your son is sick and I wish him,yourself and your all of your family the best. This is the part of your post I do not understand.
I would be able to do the refund tomorrow that the banks are already closed so I wont be able to get the money in their till the morning.
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To have a paypal account you have to have that account linked to a bank account and a credit card. It would not make a difference if the bank was open or closed you would have been able to issue a refund. If you didn't have enough funds in the bank account paypal would just pull the funds from the credit card.
 
I doubt there's an addict or monster involved here. You only have to look at the many illustrious threads on this subforum about a member/maker with a sterling reputation and 100% positive feedback who suddenly goes off the rails and starts acting like a selfish psychopath. It's called being broke = being desperate = losing all sense of connection = being willing to sink to any level. That's why neighbors descend into cannibalism in times of war and famine and why parents sell their kids to pimps in the third world; they're desperate. And that's why I don't buy/trade/sell on BF. Too many broke or near-broke dudes who are not bad people, per se, but are nevertheless willing to back out of a deal, lie about the condition of a knife, lie about a knife getting stolen/mis-shipped, etc. My only question is: if someone is so broke, why does he have so many knives? I note that these are often high-end knives, too...
 
I admit to sometimes being a bit spacy when it comes to replying to messages on the forums and I'm not the best about getting items out the very next day. That being said, I abide by 2 rules when it comes to knife ( or anything else) sales. When I post a knife for sale, the knife is boxed up and ready to go. When I recieve the money it isn't going anywhere until the buyer recieves the knife and is satisfied. IMO, if you don't have the knife in hand , you don't have the knife and you shouldn't be selling it. I've had people file complaint with paypal and freeze my account within 24 hours of my not replying to a message... some people are like that. Do what's right and these issues will be resolved, it's not a complicated process.

I agree that selling off a knife collection to pay off such extensive medical bills is like trying to shovel with a spoon during a blizzard and in no way a solution. That being said, treatment will be provided despite the ability to pay. Worry about that when he's better, there's all kinds of ways to offset the costs and should be the least of his concerns. What it comes down to is doing what is right, that's it. To add threats to the list and "you killed my son" comments. Unacceptable.
 
Magnaminous_G said:
I doubt there's an addict or monster involved here. You only have to look at the many illustrious threads on this subforum about a member/maker with a sterling reputation and 100% positive feedback who suddenly goes off the rails and starts acting like a selfish psychopath. It's called being broke = being desperate = losing all sense of connection = being willing to sink to any level. That's why neighbors descend into cannibalism in times of war and famine and why parents sell their kids to pimps in the third world; they're desperate. And that's why I don't buy/trade/sell on BF. Too many broke or near-broke dudes who are not bad people, per se, but are nevertheless willing to back out of a deal, lie about the condition of a knife, lie about a knife getting stolen/mis-shipped, etc. My only question is: if someone is so broke, why does he have so many knives? I note that these are often high-end knives, too...
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Agree! I make good money and could never justify a $700 folding knife or a $800 mother of all choppers but they seem to go left and right here. I'm just a mouth breather who is attracted to shiny things but I couldn't agree more. I can justify a nice Spyderco folder every couple months or maybe pick up a neat looking blade but I've been in that boat where I spent $1000 on knives in a month and had to panic sell when I realized what I had done. It happens but you've still got to act like a decent human being when SHTF. I believe it's something called character... I've heard, I had to Google it.
 
flatblackcapo said:
To have a paypal account you have to have that account linked to a bank account and a credit card. It would not make a difference if the bank was open or closed you would have been able to issue a refund. If you didn't have enough funds in the bank account paypal would just pull the funds from the credit card.
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I do not have a credit card linked to my PP account and never will.
 
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