Rycen took my sons hope away.

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I had to post a little of something on this. I have a son with Hemophilia,lets talk about expensive treatment. I know Obama care has started to some degree but I do not think they would refuse to give cancer treatments because you do not have the cash in hand to pay for them. Maybe I am wrong,many things have been changing with health care. Hope I am not wrong,blows my mind to think they would let a kid die because they are uninsured or do not have enough to pay the co-pays.
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If it is true that you have to pay for them up front PLEASE start reaching out to foundations,State and Federal agencies for help. There is no way you can pay for this kind of thing out of your pocket. We have worked with many set up for Hemophilia over the past 15 years and I thank God for them everyday. The State Hemophilia Foundations meetings was this weekend in Pigeon Forge we just got back from them today.
 
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I've personally talked to OverKill a few times about a deal.
After reading all of this, I'm glad I didn't deal with him.

1.) Why sell a knife if you don't have it in hand?
2.) If he didn't realize it wasn't at his house, he should have went and got it immediately or refunded the guy immediately whether the man said he'd wait or not.
3.) Why did he spend the money before the man had his knife in hand? That is very low and is a no-no.

I'm terribly sorry about his son, it's horrible and it sucks, I can only imagine how he must feel. But he is blaming the fact that his son may die on losing a $200 deal. And since he screwed the guy over and used his trust to be improper on the whole deal, the banning is justified and he should not be a member here. He should sell his knives elsewhere, however, I don't see how selling his whole collection is going to cover all the costs. There is financial help for people who can't afford it, and they would never turn him or his son away due to lack of funds, so he has no excuse for saying that losing a $200 deal or not being able to sell his knives here is going to kill his son.

Then, the threats. Those were completely unnecessary. The ban is justified based on the threats alone. None of this is on anyone's hands but his own.
 
Kinda sad, I dealt with over kill before and the tansaction was a pleasure. Seems that his situation has transformed him....
 
He did offer to refund the money right after you sent it. You told him no. Then you changed your mind, and after going back and forth, he told you he could refund it within 24 hours... so you filed a paypal claim. That makes sense:rolleyes: Both of you have been members here for a while, and have tons of positive feedback. If he needed a day because the banks were closed, or even if he just wanted to get his finances in order, especially considering his rapport throughout your correspondence, I really don't see that as unreasonable. That said, I would have taken the refund on day one. Also, and probably more importantly, I don't think you're to blame if his son dies. You're responsible for his paypal being locked, not his son's illness. Bringing that up was in bad taste.
 
Magnaminous_G said:
And this, folks, is why I will never, ever trade or buy/sell on BF. Not because anyone is "bad," but rather because there just seems to be too many people--members and makers alike--who love this knife hobby/habit too much, despite being precariously close to the financial edge.

I don't believe that half of the subjects of complaint in this subforum are bad people or scammers. Rather, it often seems they are broke and desperate dudes trying anything to get out of a scrape.
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I can see what you mean, but the very reasons I DO feel comfortable buying/selling/trading on the forums are of threads like these. Like the mods or not, they do their jobs and hunt down the occasional crook and scammer that shows up. It seems like they are on top of any issue very quickly. I have never had any problems with any other forum members though, so maybe I am a bit naïve.
 
Striderco said:
I say good job mods! I'm calling BS also! I believe if the cancer thing was truthful he would have mentioned in one of his sales threads that he was selling off his knives to help pay for his sons cancer treatment. To me this sounds more like an addict trying to lie his way out of a wrong doing. And the threats, NO ONE should be allowed on here that is threatening people like that!! If I were the party threatened I would teach this character a lesson and have him picked up for the threats! There is absolutely no reason at all for him to do that other than he is desperate and became enraged. Unfortunately he crossed the line by typing that. BAN this character so he doesn't threaten anyone else here or take their money.
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Having seen what appears to be both sides of this I have to agree with this.
 
SavageSmurf said:
He did offer to refund the money right after you sent it. You told him no. Then you changed your mind, and after going back and forth, he told you he could refund it within 24 hours... so you filed a paypal claim. That makes sense:rolleyes: Both of you have been members here for a while, and have tons of positive feedback. If he needed a day because the banks were closed, or even if he just wanted to get his finances in order, especially considering his rapport throughout your correspondence, I really don't see that as unreasonable. That said, I would have taken the refund on day one. Also, and probably more importantly, I don't think you're to blame if his son dies. You're responsible for his paypal being locked, not his son's illness. Bringing that up was in bad taste.
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The buyer waited 11 days before asking for a refund. Over Kill had 6 days to refund after being asked by the buyer before he was banned.
 
Refund the money, and go away. Period. I see a new "Hall of Shame" member. drift draft was more than fair. rycen's actions were certainly warranted.
 
All I see here is a guy that got carried away and bought too many knives and wanted more so he felt like scamming someone would be worth it. Some people just don't know when to stop. I say if he doesn't refund him, a bam is justifiable.
 
RevDevil said:
You seem to be under the impression that this is some sort of cesspool of cons, scammers, and thieves in general. I cannot begin to express how wrong that idea is, and since you have your mind made up I won't waste my time. Rest assured though, if you ever did decide to go against your gut instinct and conduct business here, ret assured that as moderators we would do anything in our ability to help you if a deal went sideways. Despite your implied feelings on the community.
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I stated very clearly that I did not think this was a cesspool of cons, scammers, and thieves in general. What I said was that a lot of members seem to be in precarious financial situations which leads to choices based on desperation. That is very different.
 
Sad situation....no matter where the truth lies. However, much sadder and disconcerting that a family member (any family member, if they truly exist) is used as a pawn or an excuse to hide bad behavior and bad judgement.

When I first joined BF several years back, an established member here posted a very sad and convincing story about his much beloved, family dog being hit by a vehicle and his immediate need to procure funds to pay for ongoing vet treatment. Without further treatment and funds, it was suggested that the dog would remain disabled enough to not warrant further treatment and likely be put down.

He offered up a knife for sale that he had custom made to his exact specifications by a well known sub-forum maker here. It was his pride and joy of knives, as he said, and had to do it because of his love of his dog and what he meant to his family.

Being the dog owner/lover that I am, I decided to buy the knife with the clear understanding that when he got on his feet again, he could buy his 'cherished' knife back at exactly the same price and I promised not to sell it to anyone else nor use it during that time. I also asked that he keep us updated as to his dog's progress and if pictures could be shared with the rest of us concerned members, that would be very cool, as well. A very few others sent him cash to help with the vet bills, as well. He assured me/us that he would definitely want to buy this particular knife back as soon as he was able and really appreciated the opportunity to do so. This member was supported by a well respected knife maker here and we all thought it was all on the up and up. Why wouldn't we? I mean, who lies about such stuff especially when the entire membership is watching and chiming in with their well wishes and support....?

Yep.......no updates, no pics, no nothing. Soon after receiving our 'contributions', he was doing deals with others for trades and purchases here on BF. I was PM'd alot by other members who came across existing deals he was involved in which took place after his plea for funds and my purchase of his much 'beloved' custom knife. After no contact from this member whatsoever after numerous attempts on my part and others and seeing that he had been 'logged in' on many occassions since these PM's were sent, I asked the general membership on that sub forum what I should do given the promise I had made. To a member, they suggested that I either keep it or sell it. I have had many custom fixed blades made for me and purchased many others for sale to our general membership. This knife was made specifically for another member which had no sentimental value to me nor did it fit my hand as one would want as the owner. Whether fancier, high-end materials were used, made absolutely no difference to me. It wasn't my knife to own....especially given the dishonest and troubling way in which it's sale had been made. The maker advertised it for me under his site and I sold it to another member for exactly the same price I bought it for, revealed all of the sorted details surrounding it's history and how I came in possession of it and sent it off to it's new owner with full disclosure.

Soooooo........all in all, if nothing else, I learned a 'hard' lesson. Not so 'hard' because I'm too dense or naive to learn from this experience, 'hard' because of the very prudent 'fool me once' and 'fool me twice', 'ole saying. I still remain a faithful dog lover, a faithful BF member and I wish that everyone and their family pets could be exempt from all maladies/diseases/hazards of all types, but unfortunately, I will likely now be more inclined to disbelieve one's story of woe and despair rather than to take it at face value, as we should all be able to do.

No....I didn't live in la-la land before nor am I paranoid now, but I certainly have a more 'heightened awareness' of situations like these where I/you/us shouldn't have to be suspcious at all.......ever. Many have given up their integrity, trustworthiness and self esteem to further their own agenda, no matter the consequences of their reputations or the well being of their neighbor or those potentially impacted by their self-serving decisions.

If the impacts were solely monetary, I could most certainly live with that, but the true and lasting impact of this greediness and self-serving behavior is that those in true need of our concern, help and yes, sometimes financial assistance, aren't going to get it because more than a few have led the way by teaching us not to trust a man's word.

These threads and ensuing posts are more about how some have lost their entire integrity rather than being simply about a financial deal/trade gone wrong. It is about viewing their wants and their needs over that of all others and doing whatever it takes to achieve those goals and sadly enough..... to hell with you.

Was I made financially whole again once this was all said and done......yes I was. But that which I partially lost was of a great deal more importance and value to me.
 
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This thread was truly hard for me to read especially on fathers day. It breaks my heart some of the things you people say. In my recent time here in this life I am losing hope for mankind. I remember as a child reading stories of good men, understanding men that put the weak and innocent before themselves but this world is changing. I am going to correct this situation and get drift draft refunded not for him or the mods or any of this community. I am going to do it because I am not a thief and not a bsing scammer like many of you are slandering. My wife laid in my arms and cried over some of the things said here. For those of you wishing my family well I do thank you. I dont feel like I need to explain myself any further here, not to a crowd like this.
 
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Over Kill said:
This thread was truly hard for me to read especially on fathers day. It breaks my heart some of the things you people say. In my recent time here in this life I am losing hope for mankind. I remember as a child reading stories of good men, understanding men that put the weak and innocent before themselves but this world is changing. I am going to correct this situation and get drift draft refunded not for him or the mods or any of this community. I am going to do it because I am not a thief and not a bull shitting scammer like many of you are slandering. My wife laid in my arms and cried over some of the things said here. For those of you wishing my family well I do thank you. I dont feel like I need to explain myself any further here, not to a crowd like this.
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I don't chime in much on these forums. It's more for the knowledge of everyone on here. To be honest I don't know how or why I even came about reading this. It's a sad situation all around. But to threaten someone over a couple hundred dollar knife and blame them for your sons death if you will, is just ridiculous. You are a horrible person for it! You will not be missed.
Let me know if you want my address champ!
 
Ak Stig said:
I don't chime in much on these forums. It's more for the knowledge of everyone on here. To be honest I don't know how or why I even came about reading this. It's a sad situation all around. But to threaten someone over a couple hundred dollar knife and blame them for your sons death if you will, is just ridiculous. You are a horrible person for it! You will not be missed.
Let me know if you want my address champ!
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I will clear this up.

What I guess can be construed as a threat on my part was because of the ban and me not being able to sell the few remaining knives in my collection. I had another busse up for sale the day this went down and rycen locked my sale thread. I told him it would make a refund possible on that day if he did not and that i needed the sale to pay my sons bills. I was planing on sending the tweener to drift draft and not a refund to be honest.

The day I met rycen was the day i got baned and my thread got lock so I basically got stormed off this site in 2 hours.

With my sons condition and the sale of my knives being a major financial need right now I guess I said some things that I normally would not have said.
 
Wrong again! You were warned 6 days before the ban by rycen, and your thread was locked almost 24 hrs. before you were banned.

When will you be sending refund? That's what will clear this up.
 
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Overkill,

You aren't here to rebuke other posters. You aren't here to argue. You aren't here to offer explanations contrary to the known facts.

You are here to make amends and apology for a problem you caused for yourself.

The only thing we need to hear from you is how and when you are going to make drift draft whole on this matter.
 
You justified the ban by not following through on your end of the deal.
You may have offered a refund, but the buyer said he would wait patiently for you to get the knife in the time frame you set.
He waited quite longer than he should have and then requested a refund, you were given 6 days(plenty of time) to issue the refund and still failed to do so.
You said you had to wait for other funds to come in so you could refund him his money. Well.. where did his money go? You went ahead and did something with the money before you sent the knife and he was satisfied. You don't mess with the money/etc. before a deal is finalized.

You got banned for not following through with the deal as it should be done. Then you proceeded to threaten Drift Draft and Rycen because things weren't going your way.

You had all of this explained to you and still failed to make the deal right even though you had plenty of time and opportunity to do so.
I realize you're going to make it right now, but it should have been done much sooner.

In my opinion you brought the ban on yourself and shouldn't have been selling to other people anyways until this was made right.

There are also other ways of selling your knives, if you're that desperate for cash.

I truly can only imagine what you're going through, and I hope all goes well for you and your family.
But it's not an excuse.
There are other ways of handling things, different ways to sell knives, and financial help with the treatments for your son(hospital would never turn him away).

I can understand you're going through a lot, and are hard up for money, and are probably flustered, but you had/have an obligation to the buyer and did not go through.

I'm not being mean, or arguing, but the whole thing is out of hand, and you're the one that made it that way for yourself.
 
Magnaminous_G said:
And this, folks, is why I will never, ever trade or buy/sell on BF. Not because anyone is "bad," but rather because there just seems to be too many people--members and makers alike--who love this knife hobby/habit too much, despite being precariously close to the financial edge.

I don't believe that half of the subjects of complaint in this subforum are bad people or scammers. Rather, it often seems they are broke and desperate dudes trying anything to get out of a scrape.
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Ive done somewhere in the vicinity of 100+ transactions on BF and can count the number of bad situations i encountered in its knife market on one hand with some fingers left over, the site is filled with great people and great knives you cant really get anywhere else. People are people , some are good some are bad and on BF they give new flashes for the bad ones and remove the really bad ones. Most people i meet on this site spent a decent amount of change on a knife got it fondled it and wanted something else they saw so passed their baby away. dont be scured come on in yo wont be disappointed, just sayin. As to this situation, i hope drift draft gets his money and i hope overkill s family is truly okay,banning might be a bit strong but when you throw threats or really screw the pooch on a deal i say it warranted, there are other forums and hopefully he ll learn from this.


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Over Kill,

I've been quietly reading this thread for the last few days...

Up until now, I've been trying to avoid posting here because the both of you are contributing members on the Busse forum, with both of you having more posts there than any other single sub-forum on BladeForums at last check.

Unfortunately, your situation most definitely sucks terribly and I am very sorry to hear about your son's condition.

However, you've done pretty much everything wrong that can be done wrong on this deal, and I think that you know this. Drift Draft has been more than patient, especially due to the fact that until almost the end of your comms, he didn't know your situation...which left him wondering WTF was going on. You took advantage (whether knowingly or unknowlingly) of his patience and initial trust that you would complete the deal.

Personally, if I had to sell knives to raise cash for treatments, you betcherazz I'd be selling & shipping ASAP, since no deal is complete until both parties are satisfied and the quicker they are satisfied, the sooner that money can be used. You should NOT have spent the money, especially before sending your knife, because technically, the money wasn't yours to spend yet since the deal was not complete.

So DD waited...and waited. Should he have accepted the refund when you offered? Well, surely he probably wishes that he had now...but he chose to trust you. When he finally began a dispute through PayPal, you threatened him... Not as in "I guess", but you did and with intent remind him that you knew where he lives. Again, not only a threat, but a violation of trust.

As for rycen, he did what he's supposed to do. He evaluated the situation as a "disinterested third party" ('disinterested' here means not personally involved and therefore able to assess this situation without emotion or bias) and came to the conclusion that you did not live up to your end of the deal. First he locked your thread, probably followed by a PM or email explaining why that action was taken and giving you one last chance to make things right. You did not, so he banned you...and then you re-registered under a new account and layed a huge guilt trip on him for doing what you might expect him to do if the situation were reversed and based on knowing the same information as your Buyer. Then after being re-banned, you again re-registered and repeated the post. It is because of him that you now are allowed to post here on this thread, yet all I've seen is a few nonpologies, and some "I will" posts. Granted, you are feeling low and under constant pressure, but it's not too late for you to make things right here, apologize to both Drift Draft & rycen, and get on with selling what you need to for your son. Until you do, you're wasting valuable time, and cutting off an avenue of possible income by losing your priviledges to post and list knives for sale on this forum.


On the subject of your son, I don't know what you've done so far or what his prognosis is, but if he is receiving treatments, then there is still a chance. It's time to gear up, put your "war paint" on and fight the good fight. I have a few suggestions: A good place to set up a web page is http://caringbridge.org and this is to inform & rally family & friends around your cause as well as find support groups (that may also have great info), etc. It's like a social network for people affected by illness, and I've been told that it is a great help. Also, there are many foundations and funders out there, and within a minute, I found this site using Google: http://foundationcenter.org/. Also, this site may be of use: http://www.cancer.org/ which is the American Cancer Society's website. There are many organizations out there devoted to helping those battling cancer, and most of them have websites full of great info & resources. This is an overwhelming situation and now is not the time to go it alone. Use the resources available to help you fight smart and retain your sanity through this difficult time so that you can remain strong for your son. Oh, and one more thing...when it comes to doctors, question everything and make sure that they explain everything to you in plain english so that you can base your decisions on clear information. I wish you & your son the best. Smoke & prayers sent for his full recovery.
 
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