Rycen took my sons hope away.

[rycen]

How it started

Why have you not refunded his payment yet?

I dont know if he wants the knife or a refund. I am not sure if you are in the loop with what is going on but I messaged him and was waiting for a reply. Ill send a refund and be done with it if thats what he wants but id rather hear it from him.

He told me that he asked you for a refund on Friday. Are you saying that's not true?

I am saying after I responded to him, I never heard back from him. He expressed he wanted a refund and the knife still.

Why are you even involved in this. Not happy about how I am being treated.

The reason why I'm involved is because you dropped the ball. He asked for a refund and hasn't gotten yet.

I also want to tell you that I was counting on the money from the cgfbm I was selling to pay for my sons kemo. Now I need to figure out another way. Yes my son was recently diagnosed with cancer and that is the readon im selling my entire collection. I dont like telling people my problems but I think you should hear it at least.

I'll gladly reopen your thread as soon as I know that drift draft has been refunded. All you had to do was keep contact with him and if you're unsure about what he wanted ask him to clarify. This could have been easily worked out between the two of you without me being involved. I'm not here to waste your time or mine.

 

[rycen]

Continued


[/QUOTE]Over Kill

Are you aware that i asked him i I could refund him on the day He purchased it to avoid an issue like this and he told me that it was not necessary.

Ps: his pm box is full.[/QUOTE]

[/QUOTE]rycen
Yes I am aware of that. Actually you should not have even listed the knives for sale if you don't have them in your possession. That is against the rules.[/QUOTE]

 

[rycen]

Continued

Look buddy, if you are not going to reinstate my sale thread Im going to be forced to take it over to eBay.

Already told you when he gets his refund I'll gladly reopen the sale. Have you refunded him yet?

Oh, by the way. I would have been able to refund your buddy by now if you had not closed my sale thread.

You wouldn't be in this situation at all if you just fulfilled your obligation of sending the knife when you received payment.

 

[rycen]

Continued

I dont think you really know the whole situation. I understand that drift draft is you friend but what you are doing wrong.

He's not my friend. I never even done deal with him. What exactly am I doing that's wrong?

Is it wrong that I'm trying to mediate a situation? As it is right now PayPal will refund him his money without any action from you and if I wanted to I could just ban you and you wouldn't be able to sell here any longer. I'm trying to avoid that.

I have a son with cancer and you are trying to ban me and close my sale thread that I am counting on to get my son through this kemo. Your a real stand up guy. I think thats wrong. I understand you were involved with an incident recently sinilar to this but I dont think its right for you to shut a sale thread down when I am trying to resolve this with a positive outcome and with my positive feedback so good...

Resolve it right now by sending him his money.

 

[rycen]

Continued

I dont think you really know the whole situation. I understand that drift draft is you friend but what you are doing wrong.

He's not my friend. I never even done deal with him. What exactly am I doing that's wrong?

Is it wrong that I'm trying to mediate a situation? As it is right now PayPal will refund him his money without any action from you and if I wanted to I could just ban you and you wouldn't be able to sell here any longer. I'm trying to avoid that.

I have a son with cancer and you are trying to ban me and close my sale thread that I am counting on to get my son through this kemo. Your a real stand up guy. I think thats wrong. I understand you were involved with an incident recently sinilar to this but I dont think its right for you to shut a sale thread down when I am trying to resolve this with a positive outcome and with my positive feedback so good...

Let's get this straight I'm not trying to ban you, if I wanted to I would. What am trying to do is give you every chance to make good without doing that.

 

[rycen]

Continued

How I get money to issue a refund should not be any of you concern and neither should an unrelated sale. I found the knife, was ready to ship it this morning and then you got involved and started talking about refunds. I can tell you with utter certianty that this issue would have been resolve positivly already had you not involved yourself to such an extent.

For the last time you listen. I wouldn't be involved had you not either sent the knife or sent a refund. It's that simple.

How I get money to issue a refund should not be any of you concern and neither should an unrelated sale. I found the knife, was ready to ship it this morning and then you got involved and started talking about refunds. I can tell you with utter certianty that this issue would have been resolve positivly already had you not involved yourself to such an extent.

And by the way if you haven't noticed I left your sales post where was,I just closed it. I could've completely removed it. Your sale opportunity is still there.

Do you treat everyone like a scammer?

Scammer? You took the guys money and now can't refund. Stop making excuses and send the refund or you're done here.

 

[Magnaminous_G]

Hmm... yup. Thanks for posting that, Rycen. That conversation convinces me 100% that he is broke and desperate... and completely lost touch with reason and sensibility. It reminds me of something I witnessed when I got out of grad school and lived in Northeast Washington, DC for a month trying to land my first job. Northeast DC is... how shall we say... unsafe. I was living in a crappy hostel trying to save money. The manager was this shady Croatian refugee with a thick accent. One day, a guy who had checked out that morning rings the hostel doorbell at, like, 11pm. Next thing I know, him and the Croatian manager are screaming at each other.

What happened was that when the Croatian guy gave this fellow his receipt that morning, he had accidentally written the checkout day as the next day. This guy had actually come back that night and was actually trying to convince the Croatian guy that he had a right to stay there because of the receipt. Of course, the manager was having none of it. As I watched the guy shouting and arguing with that manager (who could have snapped his neck like a twig... and was probably close to doing it), I felt something... incredible pity. I saw the desperation in his eyes and heard it in his voice. He had no money and nowhere to sleep that night. As stupid as the idea seemed to me at the time (really? you think this guy is going to let you pull a stunt like that on him?), it was worth a shot to him. Poor guy. He was screaming and almost crying. It might have worked on someone with a softer heart, but not this Croatian dude.

Desperation sucks. Poverty sucks. Most people don't keep it together when they hit rock bottom and don't act like themselves. Over Kill must be going through some serious crap to go from being an upstanding member with lots of positive feedback... to the guy getting banned for cheating people.

EDIT: The ban is totally justified, though. He clearly was being deceitful and avoiding his obligations to someone who tried to be understanding and patient.

 

[Big Mike]

There is no doubt that this guy should be banned.

Not only did he lie about holding the money in his paypal account, his lack of communication after he got the funds is alarming.

Also, the Threat about "Knowing Where The Buyer Lives" is way out of line, and worthy of a Ban itself.

Thirdly, isn't having multiple user accounts also a violation of Forum Rules? The way this guys logs back in with new accounts shows me he'll be trouble here for a while, his IP may need to be blocked.


There is no doubt that the Moderators here have gone above and beyond the call of duty in this case, and that the OP is nothing but trouble.

I would never deal with him after reading this thread.




Big Mike

 

[CombatGrappler]

I'm sitting here on Father's Day with my littlest kiddo next to me putting his head in the way of my iPad, and the sadness of this situation is horrible. Just from the info Over Kill gave, I in no way believe his son has cancer, and I'm kinda iffy on the having a son part, too.

If he does have a son with cancer, I hate that for him, but it seems like he thinks that is a free pass to not fulfill his obligations to people he has taken money from.

If his son doesn't have cancer and he just made that story up to cover his ass...karma has a way of dealing with people like that.

 

[Maprik]

The son's cancer has nothing to do with this situation. Regardless of the motivation for needing to sell a knife, if he were behaving properly he would have resolved this within 1 week. What he should have done was to head over to his mothers house the next day and searched for the knife until he found it. He took advantage of the Buyers "patience" and did not do his due diligence to get that knife shipped. Regardless of whether his son has cancer or not he should not be selling a knife that he does not have in his immediate possession. There are 2 other major knife forums he can sell on, unless he's already banned there too. Saying "I'll blame you for my son's death" is quite ridiculous and sad even if his son does have cancer. Having a horrible and sad situation does not relieve you of your obligation to act properly.
Regarding the ban, I think it should be lifted once the buyer gets his money back or the knife. Banning is a good tool to resolve something like this. Maybe there should be suspensions? 3 suspensions and you're banned?
People should be able to read why the person was suspended in their profile, etc? People make mistakes and can learn from them...

 

[JDieseljoe69]

In my opinion, the money should not be spent until the buyer is happy and has his knife. You should always have the funds around for a refund if necessary.
Being a father of 3, I would NEVER drag them into a situation as a excuse, period!!

 

[rycen]

Here's what I got by email from one of his new banned accounts


"If my son dies because I cant afford to pay for his treatment because of what you just did its on your head. I want you to think about that"

 

[pwerfel]

Rycen

Your instincts were correct on this lowlife......

 

[JDieseljoe69]

Here's what I got by email from one of his new banned accounts


"If my son dies because I cant afford to pay for his treatment because of what you just did its on your head. I want you to think about that"

All I can say is WOW!!

I am sure there are other ways of coming up with the funds!!

I would be a lot more worried about my sons life, than trying to get back on a forum!!

 

[Lone_Wolfe]

................
Regarding the ban, I think it should be lifted once the buyer gets his money back or the knife. ............

I disagree, because of the threat he implied with "I know where you live".

 

[Blues]

Here's what I got by email from one of his new banned accounts


"If my son dies because I cant afford to pay for his treatment because of what you just did its on your head. I want you to think about that"

That message is beyond pitiful (and ludicrous to boot). If this individual actually has a son that he cares deeply about, he should get his ass off the internet and begin reaching out and availing himself, his child and his family of all the medical, financial and social service resources available, whether one has deep pockets or shallow.

Only a coward and person lacking in sufficient moral character to face up to his own responsibilities would try to lay this at the feet of another.

 

[Rat Finkenstein]

And this, folks, is why I will never, ever trade or buy/sell on BF.

problems get a lot of attention, but they are a rarity.

 

[RevDevil]

And this, folks, is why I will never, ever trade or buy/sell on BF.

You seem to be under the impression that this is some sort of cesspool of cons, scammers, and thieves in general. I cannot begin to express how wrong that idea is, and since you have your mind made up I won't waste my time. Rest assured though, if you ever did decide to go against your gut instinct and conduct business here, ret assured that as moderators we would do anything in our ability to help you if a deal went sideways. Despite your implied feelings on the community.

 

[Bowman1911]

Here's what I got by email from one of his new banned accounts


"If my son dies because I cant afford to pay for his treatment because of what you just did its on your head. I want you to think about that"

That's absolutely crap!!! I won't voice my opinion on this deal, as it agrees with pretty much everyone else says & well, bandwagon & all that. However, as to the email you just recieved, I'm an intake tech in a state mental institution. We don't treat substance abuse at all. A few years ago, we got in a heroin junkie & she was flat out denied admission, as she didn't meet criteria. By a PHD, not by me. For 8 hours her family called & blamed me that she was gonna overdose on heroin & it would be my fault she was dead & this & that. When told by her grandfather that it'd be my fault she was dead, I told him I hoped it worked out for him. No more calls. Not that I'm cold & wish death on a child, as in this case MIGHT be, I don't know as I don't know the fellow in question, but sometimes, you just gotta wash your hands of people.

 

[Lone_Wolfe]

You seem to be under the impression that this is some sort of cesspool of cons, scammers, and thieves in general. I cannot begin to express how wrong that idea is, and since you have your mind made up I won't waste my time. Rest assured though, if you ever did decide to go against your gut instinct and conduct business here, ret assured that as moderators we would do anything in our ability to help you if a deal went sideways. Despite your implied feelings on the community.

Good post. I've done a few hundred deals on here, and only had one go bad. The BF community rallied and shamed the guy into sending me the knife I'd paid for.