Sad day for my Sebenza

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chococrazy said:
I read his post earlier when the thread was just made I didn't see him ask Was it in the OP or in a post? I do see he did edit all his posts, but don't go accusing other people too.
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It was in a post, I think #26 or #29. And in post #30 you see yiterp saying "offer now withdrawn" because originally he said he would donate.

Blue Wind Serenity, it wasn't your sentence. I was talking about the last sentence of what I quoted from chococrazy where he wrote "is this guy asking for a knife NO".

The way you can really tell it was a lie is the way he said he lost it. Imagine this. You've got a Sebenza clipped to your boxer shorts, with the clip between the elastic band and your flesh, and the knife between your boxers and pants. That's how he said he was carrying it as a result of questioning and he basically trapped himself with his own lies. When questioned further about this unusual carry method he literally wrote "yahdayahdayahda that's how I carry it".

So he said he was carrying it like that and the clip snapped and remained in place. How is that even physically possible? An elastic band isn't hard enough to snap a titanium clip even if the knife were torqued in an extreme way.

Also he said his pants didn't have pockets, again as a result of questioning and during an attempt at explanation. What kind of pants don't have pockets? Even sweatpants for working out have pockets. There are some pants that don't have pockets but they're rare.
 
Oh I see. I thought he carried it like I do, the knife between skin and jeans and the clip showing outside of the jeans. (Maybe I should read more thoroughly)

I see your point now.

But yeah. Hard to understand how it would break.
 
Blue Wind Serenity said:
Oh I see. I thought he carried it like I do, the knife between flesh and jeans and the clip showing outside of the jeans. (Maybe I should read more thoroughly)

I see your point now.

But yeah. Hard to understand how it would break.
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yeah, I carry my knife like that, either way it doesn't seem like the clip would remain at all, BUT crazier things have happened
 
tf8s, as a result of your post #51 he explained that he was carrying it clipped to his boxers.

See this is how he caught himself up. In the original story he said he discovered the knife was missing by reaching down to grab it and touching nothing but the clip. I believe he added this detail to make his story sound more dramatic but it was his undoing.

I then questioned him about how the clip separated and he said it snapped.

Then people like tf8s started asking if wouldn't that just make the clip fall off and knife stay wedged inside the pants. At this point I thought he would just say that he had the knife clipped so that the knife was on the outside of his pants, but instead he said he had it clipped to his boxer shorts.
 
I am disgusted by this whole debacle. Attempting to dissect this persons story is one thing. Dissecting it publicly, and based on subjective presuppositions and flimsy logic is a whole different deal. Given, I never had the opportunity to read the original post. But, from the looks of it here, this witch hunt seems like excessive force. Perhaps there should be a "sticky" about "trolls" and "cons" somewhere just to warn people not to donate money or knives to potential con artists (not that I believe this to be the case one way or another here) just to keep people from the need to post their unfounded righteous indignation. However, I will donate my empathy to this person and give him the benefit of the doubt. Leaving the rest of the good members here to their own common sense.
 
Iboschi said:
Given, I never had the opportunity to read the original post.
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Exactly. If you did you'd see that the guy was a liar.

A liar knows when he's caught himself in a web of his own lies, that's why he edited and cleared all of it, to erase the evidence.
 
Though I would have liked a bit more evidence and a bit less publicity, I agree that important elements of the OP's story and behavior are fishy, to say the least.
 
Seeing the edited post by the OP makes me speculate he was caught in a lie. Probably just a gut feeling, but if it was true and I was called a liar, I would not delete my original posts. I would consult a moderator and prove my story and then be really pissed off at the forum. This seems to be a fade away, in an uh oh, I am caught, what do I do know, scenario. If a clip broke, I think you would feel it, bottom line. Knife would stay in clothes and clip piece would be lost, not vice versa.
 
Often the "I lost my knife" posts are real. I think anyone who hangs around the knife forums eventually sees one of those posts, and probably a lot of them think "hey, look how easy it is to get a free knife." I admit that even I thought that the first time I saw one of those posts and how generous people are about it.

I do believe the guy lurked these forums. I also believe he knew the guy who died, although I don't think they were good friends. What I think happened is that he was browsing around the forums, saw one of those "I lost my knife" posts and how successful it was, and came up with the story to try and really cash in on it as much as he could, incorporating things and people from his life.

Judging from his other online activities doing something like that would seem to be right up his alley.
 
I own a sebbie, and I don't see how that clip can snap without him noticing. It's quite thick.
 
Blais said:
Though I would have liked a bit more evidence and a bit less publicity, I agree that important elements of the OP's story and behavior are fishy, to say the least.
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I don't agree with the way you went about it james but I do believe the story was a lie, or at least the part about the knife was. I would bet good money that it would be impossible for the WB of a pair of boxer shorts to hold a Ti clip while it snapped.
 
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Hey all how it going? No one in my "real world" really see my pain but I figured people here might understand my mourning!!

A bit of a sad story.... For me anywho.

I've been a knife guy for a long long while and my best friend since childhood (we grew up literally in the same crib) always ragged on me for it, it a joking friendly way.. Well he always heard me going on about my grail knife the CRK Sebenza and how someday I would get my holy grail! Well this year for my Birthday he decided to take it upon himself to do just that, and he bought be a Sebe!!! You couldn't believe the thrill I had! There was joy, tears and that glow we all get when a new knife comes into our life!!! Let the sadness begin... 2 months ago my friend of 30 years had a tragic and very very very sad death. I still do not know how to cope, but the tears are stating to dry at least. So the Sebe took on even more meaning for me. I always had it on me, or at bedtime near me. I took some comfort in it, and knowing just how much I meant to him and he to me. On the 20th of November (6 days before his 31st Bday) I was wearing the Sebe on my waist because my pants had no pockets, they were a warmup type of pant. I went to use the knife to open a letter and found that all I had left was a part of the clip!!! My heart sank and I began to frantically hunt for the knife, even going out in to town and retracing my steps. But sadly I never found it... I still look daily for it, checking pants I haven't worn in years and windbreakers that were from the 90's. I feel so lost w/o my Sebe, it pains me to even think about it. To loose my friend and the token of friendship just kills me inside.

Well I suppose this is part of my mourning. Thanks for listening guys and gals. Never take a friendship for granted, I thought I'd have this bond for many more years.
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I do not think sweatpants would be enough to break a knife clip of even a cheap one, let alone a Sebenza. This really appears to be a sham. Thanks for the google catch, cache, you know what I mean. Once again, if the OP was not up to no good, he would leave his original story there. If it is truth, why would you delete it? Darkness runs and hides when you shed light on it.
 
Here's some more things I thought of.

According to the supposed dead friend's myspace (http://www.myspace.com/rlayton) he only had a high school diploma, only made between $30,000 and $40,000 a year, and was divorced with two kids. Yet he has the money to buy a $400 knife for a friends birthday present? If we assume the most positive estimate of his earnings of $40,000 per year before taxes, then the Sebenza would have cost 1% of his total untaxed yearly earnings.

And supposedly this was also someone who didn't understand why people would like knives and made fun of him for his hobby. Buying a Sebenza as a gift doesn't seem like something someone with that attitude and in that economic situation would do. It seems like he'd have enough difficulty paying his bills and for his kids.

j413760 could have done a lot to prove this story but he didn't. He could have posted pictures of the broken Ti Clip. Even posting pictures of the Sebenza's box would have backed up his story a little bit. We know he has a camera. If this seriously happened to me, I'd be so pissed off at Chris Reeve that I'd make a documentary about what happened with as much evidence as possible and put it on youtube.
 
The OP could have ended all of the argument and speculation by simply saying that he wasn't looking for donations or a free knife, but that all he wanted was a sympathetic ear.

A simple statement like that would have made this whole thread take a different turn.

I hate to say it but I was skeptical of the story also.
 
hardheart said:
Yes, you are right. You are the hero of the day.

Now please stop bumping this thread, your glory will live on forever. Trust us.

But feel free to contact the relatives and friends of a random deceased person, they will definitely care about someone trying to get a free pocketknife. And the FBI will certainly investigate.
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I think this one was worth quoting.
 
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