SALE ISSUE - KNIFE NOT RECEIVED

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Jsega51 said:
You’re going to use this as your argument when here you are trying to direct a member on BF to go do a deal on Facebook?

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/dek1-sold.2065658/
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I saw that yesterday, and was waiting to deal with that issue separately, but it's not a bad thing that it was raised here. Although, the outcomes of each are somewhat different in terms of liability, loss, etc.

(That said, we do not condone folks using BF as a means to direct our members elsewhere to conduct commerce.)
 
The Seller:
Packaged the knife completely inadequately for an international transaction.
Refused any responsibility of liability when the packaging failed.
Made it the buyers total financial problem.

The Buyer:
Did not disclose the 3rd part shipping to the seller.
Immediately and incorrectly accused the seller of being a scammer.
Seems to think that it's all the sellers problem.

Frankly it's a fluster cluck of a transaction. The best outcome is to man up and share the financial loss. That is certainly better than being perma-banned.
 
Jsega51 said:
You’re going to use this as your argument when here you are trying to direct a member on BF to go do a deal on Facebook?

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/dek1-sold.2065658/
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Thank you for this Jake. This buyer is now demonstrating some odd patterns of behavior although I still do not believe that he is the scammer. He had stated that previously he bought and received an $800 Carothers without any issues (I didn't catch whether it was an eBay or FB purchase). People who do not wish to spent a mere $10 on an annual basic membership on here just for private messaging privileges alone, expose both themselves and others to potential scammers who are always waiting in the online weeds.
 
I would advise the seller to go to the same USPS retail facility where the package was shipped from and ask whether he needs the actual envelop back to start an insurance indemnification process or if pictorial evidence as posted by the buyer will be sufficient. He should verify this before he issues any refund to the buyer. The insurance amount $100 plus postage should be the minimum amount offered as settlement to the buyer, irrespective of the insurance claim outcome. Both parties will lose out something in this case but the onus is more on the seller.
 
Important lesson here about using third-party package pickup or reshipping services. I agree it is the seller's fault and responsibility, though.

You can say "I always use padded mailers and never have a problem" all you like... Until you do have a problem.

If you want to cheap out on shipping and insurance, that's up to you, but it's on the seller to deliver the knife, and if you choose to cheap out and basically self-insure against postal loss, fine, but sometime you'll eventually come up deuces and have to eat the loss.
 
I have a question. Is it a forum rule only to ship in boxes? If not, will it become a rule? Like I said, the used Busse knives I've purchased here all came in bubble mailers or something similar.
 
In answer to several posts, the buyer was offered F&F or G&S with a markup. He chose F&F to save some money.
 
This whole sour situation started off with an eBay transaction that both decided to move outside of eBay, violating the terms they both agreed to with eBay TOS. At this point, I can’t trust either party due to their willingness to violate terms they agreed to. Too bad they felt the need to drag BF into their mess.
 
Rekrapmij said:
I have a question. Is it a forum rule only to ship in boxes? If not, will it become a rule? Like I said, the used Busse knives I've purchased here all came in bubble mailers or something similar.
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It's not a rule. It's just that the seller is responsible for making sure it gets there, and bubble mailers open yourself up to these situations
 
sounds to me like ya fellas need to work on a solution to the problem. realizing neither is gonna get everything they want out of it. thats the place to start at. good luck......
 
Rekrapmij said:
CIn answer to several posts, the buyer was offered F&F or G&S with a markup. He chose F&F to save some he seller. seller can package how they want (well or poor) and ship through their choice. That is why they are redpondible for the delivery. Tgey control all the risk factors.
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The seller chooses how to package and who to ship through. This is why he or she is responsible for delivery. The decisions are the sellers and the buyer is just along for the ride

If packaged well in a box with lots of tape insured and sent registered mail, it will almost surely get there(or paid for), but there are costs in doing so. Other than that you are compromising and taking on added risk. How much risk is up to seller
 
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Bill Siegle said:
It blows my mind in this day and age people still believe a bubble envelope is adequate for mailing anything other than flat paper. Please learn from this experience. Neither party is happy with the results. Don’t let this happen to yourselves or your buyers/traders. Boxes with tape are cheap but valuable insurance towards successful transactions.
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I used to have a quirky sig line that said "Friends don't let friends mail knives in envelopes". Then someone mailed me a knife in an envelope, from the exchange here, so I took it down. I figured they were trying to be cute. The knife arrived okay, albeit the box it was in took a little damage. I didn't say anything. I didn't leave them any feedback. I just blocked/ignored them.
When I ship a knife, I will wrap it in paper or put it in a ziplock, then tape it to the inside of the BOX I am shipping it in. It's basically bomb-proof by the time I'm done with it. To carelessly throw a fixed blade into a bubble mailer just in its kydex sheath is beyond irresponsible.
 
The buyer & seller were both at fault. I agree with the consensus that there should be a 50/50 split between them.
 
Blues said:
In my opinion, the seller should file an insurance claim with USPS and explain the circumstances, not try to hand off all responsibility to the buyer.

Once a decision is rendered from the USPS, he should come to terms with the buyer on some level of restitution for failure to take sufficient steps to avoid (and not invite) theft or loss.

If the seller is unwilling to take these steps, then I don't believe he belongs in this community.
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I agree with you!
 
Rekrapmij said:
I have a question. Is it a forum rule only to ship in boxes? If not, will it become a rule? Like I said, the used Busse knives I've purchased here all came in bubble mailers or something similar.
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I’d bet $100 that I’ve purchased way more used Busse knives than you have. Bubble mailers are not the norm! For Busse or any other fixed blades I’ve received. Any I have ever received that way certainly weren’t just a loose knife flopping around inside the bubble mailer.

Own your mistake, learn from it, and do a better job packaging your sales items in the future!

Your flippant attitude about this is not helping your case here.

ETA - Have you done anything to initiate a claim with the USPS yet?
 
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