Name calling! Nice argument. What you don't seem to follow, and the "idiots" here do, is that it is not about the Sebenza specifically, it is about stealing a knife maker's (or anyone's for that matter) work. I cannot come up with a single one that justifies supporting people who do that, and you have an entire list of reasons. Good for you.
It is not name calling, it is a fact. I saw the other thread where you simply came in to attack Hickory & Steel for no good reason. Surely you and your boyfriend promote a great atmosphere in this forum. In any case, it is the kind of answer you deserve when you simply selectively grab words from an argument and use them to accuse me of supporting theft? What you did is not an argument. It's a distortion of what I said. Cheap.
The same kind of idiot who would stick around here to justify cloning and counterfeits. You'll find those folks few and far between. Maybe go to other places where that garbage is tolerated.
Yeah sure:
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/i-own-and-love-a-srm-710-am-i-a-bad-person.1222662/page-2
LOL. Also I'm not justifying cloning or conterfeits. I simply contest that in this case it is neither. If they had used the Chris Reeve name, then yeah. Their use of the Axis lock is unacceptable as well.
Okay, you don't think I answered your argument about how cloning is damaging knife companies. My answer was that I was tying to make a point. That's why I began my post with "Imagine".
Your argument against clones in this post is a good one. So clearly you understand the potential harm. Why don't you care?
And you are the one who brought up CRK. I don't own one because I can't afford one. I would like to though.
My problem is that I feel bigotry and snobbery is what is really fueling this debate. Not morality. If you really cared you would apply it to all aspecs of your life and I doubt any of you do. You say the 710 is a clone of the Sebenza and that it is bad yet the clearly Carls Jr. Inspired McDonalds hamburger I ate today was fine. Every car brand having crossover SUV's and pickup trucks is fine. Where do we draw the line?
Fifteen minutes in the crapper or fifteen years on the drawing board, it makes no difference. The design is his. He has a patent on it even if you fail to see why. Like it or not.
If you purchase a product based upon the work of Chris Reeve and it is not approved by Chris himself, CRK, or maybe his business partners, you are purchasing from a thief. Period! Unless, of course, the patent has run out. Then the design is up for grabs. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
However, let's get away from CRK and the Sebenza for a moment, shall we? Can you use the same arguments if the knife is the $25-30 dollar RAT 1 or 2 made by Ontario Knife Co. and the clone is the $15 copy made overseas? How does your defense work now?
1) Kindly show me the patent. I looked for it all over and I couldn't find it. I did find the patent for the Tri Ad Lock, for example.
Patents.google.com
No one would award CR a patent for a simple knife as the Sebenza is. There is no breakthrough innovation with that knife.
2) Their use of the Axis lock without permission is wrong. A blatant copy of the Ontario Rat 1 WOULD harm Ontario because they are in the same market and Ontario should take action. As far as the 710, I contest that it is NOT a blatant copy. It uses different materials, HT, price range and from what I read different weight and dimensions too. I don't own either knife and I do not intend to.
Why do you hate crk so much?
I don't hate CRK. I hate the snobbery around his knives.
Oh, your're calling me an idiot? Nice.
There is a place for that. I'll be there if you would like to go there.
I wasn't but like they say : "if the coat fits you put it on".
And how is knife steel more important than design? With that logic marble is more important than the sculpture David is carved from.
In this case the "breakthrough innovation" is the crucible steel Chris Reeve helped develop. The design of the knife itself is so simple and cheap somebody might inadvertly come up with the same thing or similar.
You have no idea what Chris Reeve did or currently does.
Neither do I care.
Excellent point!
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, how does your less than logical logic defend clones in this case? If high cost, low value and poor design justify theft of the Sebenza design, what makes theft of the RAT 1 ok?
Are we just going to end up at “I WANTS IT!”?
I'm not defending any clones. I'm merely contesting what you call a clone.
You seem to carry a big grudge against CRK and people who have them and I'm not sure why?
I don't really have a grudge against him but I'm wary of anyone trying to sell me a $500 EDC pocket knife with a less than 3'' blade. I could buy a nice sword for that price, maybe even a pattern welded one. Overcharging IS a form of theft. To me paying more money for a product because of the name associated with said product instead of the actual characteristics of the product is stupid. Specially when it comes to clothing. That 168 dollar shirt from Bloomingdales was made in freaking China and whoever buys it will serve as an advertisement for the brand. He will not be a better person, he will simply be a person giving out the message that, in appearance, he can afford an expensive shirt which will ultimately wear out as fast as my 15 dollar shirt from Walmart. What was the whole point of getting said shirt? No bloody idea. When I go to a place where there is another knife nut and he tries to show off his Chris Reeve Sebenza I'm unimpressed. I fail to see what they look so proud of. Carrying $500 worth of product on you is folly, IMO, and I feel said person was ripped off.
Your main motive is to get someone banished . Get's you so hot . I've never "supported" anything but freedom of information and to buy what we choose . Most of my posts are about Cold Steel or in Prac-Tac . I really don't give a hoot about the brands that use imitation , so long as the brand labeling is correct and the purchase is legal . Just don't care ,but do not "promote "or "support" . Overwhelmingly , my comments about actual counterfeits have been negative for functional/value reasons. I only made one post(long ago) that was positive about an actual counterfeit $12.50 " Shiro " and that was a JOKE . Who could be fooled or harmed by that ? $12.50 for a $6000.00 knife . 
Take the rest of your crap to W&C , where it belongs . Whew ! I need a nap now . 
Never thought it wise to throw around the word 'idiot' when one isn't smart enough to recognize what name calling is.