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Nice stag on those mrK...what no sheepsfoot?
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Schatt & Morgan?
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A stockman made by Queen in 1992.
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Nice stag on those mrK...what no sheepsfoot?
haha no! i thought about it when i was buying a third to finish the set, but i decided for another clip instead, i just cant get into the sheepsfoot blade shape at all. it throws off all the knife's aesthetics to me
knowtracks
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That is some pretty stag on that stock knife S-K ! 
I better see if I can dig up a photo of the example I have.
Dave
I better see if I can dig up a photo of the example I have.
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I love those Barlows guys, but it's usually a Scout of some kind that finds its way into my pocket...
knowtracks
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I did find a pic of the Stag stock knife like the one SK posted....
Dave
Dave
Looking for some owners feed back.
I'm looking for a keyston shield'd knife and have narrowed my search down to two different s&m knives. The 99 scout and the 18 series keystone swell center equal ended Jack.
They seem to be similar in size, price and both have spear long pull.
I prefer ebony on my knives but I'm open.
Can anyone provide good or bad feed back on the knives. I've heard hit or miss stories on the 99. But We all hear that on a lot of knives.
Any input would be appreciated.
Thanks
Jim
I'm looking for a keyston shield'd knife and have narrowed my search down to two different s&m knives. The 99 scout and the 18 series keystone swell center equal ended Jack.
They seem to be similar in size, price and both have spear long pull.
I prefer ebony on my knives but I'm open.
Can anyone provide good or bad feed back on the knives. I've heard hit or miss stories on the 99. But We all hear that on a lot of knives.
Any input would be appreciated.
Thanks
Jim
New carpenter whittler and large cigar.
stunning...Very nice.
Crazy Canuck
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I'm not sure about the swell center, but the 99 scout should be a nice knife. It's the same pattern used for the Northwoods Indian River Jack, just in a different blade steel. I don't have the 99, but do have two IRJ's, and they're both well liked
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I believe that the EDC etch on the blades is Queen's version of a factory second. I haven't handled one, but expect that there's some flaws that didn't allow it to pass inspection and they etch it EDC before they discount sell it so that it doesn't end up on the secondary market for full value. That's my understanding anyways, and I could be wrong on this one.
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The EDC etch probably isn't specific to a certain steel type. I know I've seen the etch on Queen Railsplitters with D2 steel. I don't think the Schatt Barlows are D2.
Like Cory mentioned above, it indicates a factory second which could happen to any knife, regardless of the steel.
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My queen came with no edge whatsoever sharpened on the coping blade, they totally missed it. Wavy primary grind on main blade (the pic is in another thread in here). The main pivot was so open that I could easily see 1/16 inch of the pivot pin with gaps on both sides of the blade. Also the main pivot pin wasn't drilled straight so they krinked the blade to get it to center (this was a whittler...). The secondary blades had decent side play but that's not a particularly big issue. The spine of the main blade was 5-7degrees off from being 90. The tang of the pen blade stuck out past the bolsters when closed. The backsprings didn't sit flush either open or closed, again not a big issue, actually fairly common.
Now I'm not going to start a NEW thread for widest dissemination bashing the company about it, but since the question was asked, there you have it. And actually most of us rely(and count) on hearsay to help determine our purchases, if someone says "I heard M-tech knives are not good at all" would you say that was just hearsay? There is definite validity to it and a reason people are saying it. Most of us want to know those things before we buy, even more so with a brand like Queen that most people have to order from the internet. I agree that traditional knife manufacturers are getting sparse and none of us want them to tank because that's bad for our buying options, but they should at least be held accountable to some extent by us consumers to at least sharpen all the blades before they send a knife out. IIRC Ken Daniels bought the company a few years ago and granted probably still has kinks to work out, but quantity over quality doesn't work with an American knife company. IMO consistent quality has to come first, then you are certain to continue generate revenue as you raise your production(I have absolutely no background in business but that's what makes sense to me). The general populous as well as a lot of "Knife guys" have no problem going to china and paying 15% of the price for a Rough Rider that will certainly have one or some of the above issues, but at least has good enough QC to not have ALL of them. Heck, it's only 10 bucks anyway. I have never received a Case that was that bad, and I have never hand selected one either. And they are cheaper. Me, I decided to just take the next step up to GEC. If I cant pay a little more for what I want, I guess I'll have pay a little more than that. If I am paying more than a Case though, personally I want a little better quality than a Case, that's just how it works.
I'm glad to hear that most of you haven't had the same experience, and I do hope Queen sticks around. It'll be a while before I buy another though. More on topic, I would prefer S&M come standard with better steel, not just on the file and wire ones, because that might open my wallet again
I apologize if that whole thing sounded too negative. I usually try not to rant...
Now I'm not going to start a NEW thread for widest dissemination bashing the company about it, but since the question was asked, there you have it. And actually most of us rely(and count) on hearsay to help determine our purchases, if someone says "I heard M-tech knives are not good at all" would you say that was just hearsay? There is definite validity to it and a reason people are saying it. Most of us want to know those things before we buy, even more so with a brand like Queen that most people have to order from the internet. I agree that traditional knife manufacturers are getting sparse and none of us want them to tank because that's bad for our buying options, but they should at least be held accountable to some extent by us consumers to at least sharpen all the blades before they send a knife out. IIRC Ken Daniels bought the company a few years ago and granted probably still has kinks to work out, but quantity over quality doesn't work with an American knife company. IMO consistent quality has to come first, then you are certain to continue generate revenue as you raise your production(I have absolutely no background in business but that's what makes sense to me). The general populous as well as a lot of "Knife guys" have no problem going to china and paying 15% of the price for a Rough Rider that will certainly have one or some of the above issues, but at least has good enough QC to not have ALL of them. Heck, it's only 10 bucks anyway. I have never received a Case that was that bad, and I have never hand selected one either. And they are cheaper. Me, I decided to just take the next step up to GEC. If I cant pay a little more for what I want, I guess I'll have pay a little more than that. If I am paying more than a Case though, personally I want a little better quality than a Case, that's just how it works.
I'm glad to hear that most of you haven't had the same experience, and I do hope Queen sticks around. It'll be a while before I buy another though. More on topic, I would prefer S&M come standard with better steel, not just on the file and wire ones, because that might open my wallet again
I apologize if that whole thing sounded too negative. I usually try not to rant...
A couple points here, you said you fixed everything else that was wrong with the knife. Once you repaired/ modified the knife it was your knife and should not have gone back to the dealer.
I saw the blade pictured in your other post, wavy for sure but all it needed was a re-profile. I'm a knife fruitcake so I sharpen, I'd never send a knife back for not being sharp. If I sent back every knife I got that wasn't sharp to my standards, I wouldn't have any knives.
With the proper tools, D2 is slow to re-profile and easy to sharpen.. When you buy D2 you need diamonds.
Perhaps D2 is not the steel for you.
For someone who didn't want to start a new bashing thread, you're all over the forum bashing today.
I think all companies have their own unique place in the knife market.
Case and Buck sell to a lot of people who just need to get a knife at the local hardware. So if the knife is not usable sharp that's a problem. At their price point they are more than usable but you hear about a bad one from time to time.
GEC on the other hand sell to enthusiasts, collectors and high end users. They use mostly 1095 which is not expensive to buy or work in a production setting. You pay a premium for GEC quality and expect it but you still hear about a bad one from time to time. From the samples I've handled (I only bought 1 Pony Jack) GEC usually has a good working edge, not what I consider sharp but usable.
Queen sells a very good working knife and D2 holds an amazing working edge. I'll put the clip on my Railsplitter up against all 3 blades of a GEC stockman. Sometimes Queens are usable sharp out of the box most times not.
They cost more than a Case and less than an GEC. D2 is more expensive to buy and is harder to work in production. Which considering the price point, may account for some of the quality issues and yes you get a bad one from time to time.
I've got 12 Queens or Queen built, all good, except 1 #69 Barlow. As close as I could measure the back spring was .012 thicker than the blade and that caused the blade to rattle. I sent it to Queen, politely explained the issue and three weeks later I had a replacement, problem solved.