Schatt & Morgan?

[Will Power]

Certainly Dave! Here you are:

 

[mrknife]

mine should be delivering today!!!

 

[knowtracks]

Certainly Dave! Here you are:

OH Ya!! Beauty!!! :thumbup::thumbup:
Thanks Will


Dave

P.S. Make sure you post a pic and your revue, mrknife

 

[mrknife]

First schatt and morgan came in and boy that was slightly disappointing





couldve given just a bit more blade there schatt and morgan. and shave that kick a little more


for those who have the spear point, can you take a picture with the knife closed like i just had, just curious about the blade.

 

[puukkoman]

I'm a big fan of Schatt & Morgan (and Queen, and any of the contract knives they make under different brands). From my perspective, I'm happy to sit quietly and watch, while the majority of the enthusiasts I know gravitate rapidly toward Great Eastern, and enjoy a little less competition over my favorite Schatt knives.

 

[puukkoman]

Mrknife, the Heritage Series is a different animal, compared to most other S&M offerings, by a long shot. They are much more... er... "rustic" than a typical Schatt & Morgan knife.

 

[bdev]

I'm a big fan of Schatt & Morgan (and Queen, and any of the contract knives they make under different brands). From my perspective, I'm happy to sit quietly and watch, while the majority of the enthusiasts I know gravitate rapidly toward Great Eastern, and enjoy a little less competition over my favorite Schatt knives.

Me too. The majority of my collection are 1998 thru 2006 S&M's.

 

[mrknife]

Mrknife, the Heritage Series is a different animal, compared to most other S&M offerings, by a long shot. They are much more... er... "rustic" than a typical Schatt & Morgan knife.

haha, interesting choice of words, i was curious cause the spear point is on my list of to buys, and the S&M barlow,

 

[Railsplitter]

I had one of the Schatt & Morgan Heritage Cattle knives but I traded it off for another knife. The blade grinds were all over the place and the action was spongy, for lack of a better term. But man, it was one stout knife. I kind of wish I still had it.

I like the theme behind the Heritage series knives and it was one of the reasons that I bought it. If I remember correctly, they select a few patterns from a page in one of the old S&M catalogs and reproduce those patterns as close to the original as possible. I think I remember reading that they used Norway iron for the bolsters just like in the old days.

That Cattle knife had a few flaws in my opinion but I have to admit that it gave off a vibe like it was made 100+ years ago. I miss the knife despite its flaws.

 

[mrknife]

I had one of the Schatt & Morgan Heritage Cattle knives but I traded it off for another knife. The blade grinds were all over the place and the action was spongy, for lack of a better term. But man, it was one stout knife. I kind of wish I still had it.

I like the theme behind the Heritage series knives and it was one of the reasons that I bought it. If I remember correctly, they select a few patterns from a page in one of the old S&M catalogs and reproduce those patterns as close to the original as possible. I think I remember reading that they used Norway iron for the bolsters just like in the old days.

That Cattle knife had a few flaws in my opinion but I have to admit that it gave off a vibe like it was made 100+ years ago. I miss the knife despite its flaws.

what drew me to the heritage collection was the the simplicity. i guess the other commenters tried to warn me about that blade length. but my order was in already. plus i rarely try barehead knives. currently bidding on a rosewood spear actually

 

[mrknife]

What I like about S&M is they get out patterns nobody else is building. Their English Jacks are a case in point. I like the pattern, but most of the ones I've seen have bolsters that (to be nice) could be done better. Very little symmetry to them, and it's mostly due to heavy hands on the polishing wheel. I know just how tricky that is, but it's also the point where all the work done before can be trashed in a few seconds.

Anyways, here are a couple of mine.

This lockback, by the way, is darn near perfect! It's as good a knife as anyone ever put out (baring customs).

definitely liking that lock back

 

[Will Power]

I had one of the Schatt & Morgan Heritage Cattle knives but I traded it off for another knife. The blade grinds were all over the place and the action was spongy, for lack of a better term. But man, it was one stout knife. I kind of wish I still had it.

I like the theme behind the Heritage series knives and it was one of the reasons that I bought it. If I remember correctly, they select a few patterns from a page in one of the old S&M catalogs and reproduce those patterns as close to the original as possible. I think I remember reading that they used Norway iron for the bolsters just like in the old days.




Very true. The Heritage is a different entity, potentially it could've been stellar. As you say, it had its origins in taking knife patterns from old catalogues and recreating them. The fundamental problem for me was the obvious fact that the blades were unsuited to the frames: too short, far too thick, not much cutting length due to enormous tangs too. Factor in tame to weak snap too and... a real shame as they do LOOK good. The two wooden ones I have are acceptable, this bone Woodsman is a nice exhibit but the blade dimensions (check this tang!) a brute thick chisel grind coupled with poor to no snap means it is not a credible working knife. I like the bone and the secondary blades though.

That Cattle knife had a few flaws in my opinion but I have to admit that it gave off a vibe like it was made 100+ years ago. I miss the knife despite its flaws.

Sorry! my quote and yours got mixed up and I'm running late, hope you get the gist.

Regards, Will

 

[RickT57]

How is the Keystone series?

 

[stef142]

First schatt and morgan came in and boy that was slightly disappointing





couldve given just a bit more blade there schatt and morgan. and shave that kick a little more


for those who have the spear point, can you take a picture with the knife closed like i just had, just curious about the blade.

Just a little better... On mine the ebony scales aren't well aligned with bolsters and liners and the blade's edge grinding is so thick that sharpening is a pity!!
Nothing in common with GECs, even if the price...

 

[mrknife]

Just a little better... On mine the ebony scales aren't well aligned with bolsters and liners and the blade's edge grinding is so thick that sharpening is a pity!!
Nothing in common with GECs, even if the price...

yeah because of how wonky it looks, im legit considering moving this to the edc bunch after i get my spear points in.

 

[Railsplitter]

How is the Keystone series?

The Green Bone Railsplitter is of exceptional quality. The other two are satisfactory but each one has a small amount of blade play on one of the blades.



All three knives in the photo below are of exceptional quality.



These are all older knives from 2005 if I remember correctly.

 

[TheChunk91]

I just got my first s&m yesterday, a 2012 heritage stockman in bone. I really like the idea behind the heritage series, and the design is just slightly slimmer that most all other 4" serpentine stockmans I have which is something different and cool. Im not impressed with the quality (for the price they normally go for) but I got it at such a good price that it does not bother me. The edge grinds are totally screwy, some slight gaps here and there, proud backspring when blades are open, brass shavings on the liners, and a crappy looking finish that I have already cleaned up with a scotch brite pad. Despite all this I like it pretty well and once I finish sharpening it I will be glad to put it in my pocket. I am looking forward to getting more s&m as I really like alot of their stuff, but I will definitely only buy them if I can make sure the ones I get are a nice example.

 

[Will Power]

This Mini-Muskrat is from 2014.

Extremely good F&F decent snap but for some incomprehensible reason I cannot get it to take an edge, it's usual 420c so why the problem?? D2 I can manage but not this. Somebody on the Forum offered to sharpen it free for me but I forget who, it's such a nice knife otherwise.

 

[mrknife]

and just found another issue, theres a crack in the ebony by the pin

 

[draggat]

This Mini-Muskrat is from 2014.

Extremely good F&F decent snap but for some incomprehensible reason I cannot get it to take an edge, it's usual 420c so why the problem?? D2 I can manage but not this. Somebody on the Forum offered to sharpen it free for me but I forget who, it's such a nice knife otherwise.

I don't want to sound like a jerk, but in my estimation, there are only two possibilities for your predicament. Incorrect (or not enough) sharpening or poor heat treatment. 420HC is usually pretty easy to sharpen. Take a black sharpie and run it down the edge before you begin sharpening to make sure you are actually on the edge, rather than the shoulder. I can't tell you how many times I've sharpened knives that took forever because I hade to straighten out the bevel.


Despite their flaws, Queen and Schatts are still very good knives. I really do love some of the patterns. No one else makes the Grandad Barlows, large coke bottles and large clasp knives.