Schrade Extreme Survival

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Sharp Phil said:
I don't believe that this knife out-performed the Chris Reeve of which it is a copy, though; I think it much more likely that the Great Unknowable Hockey Mask contrived his "tests" to produce the results he wanted, given his previous public defamation of the Reeve brand.
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Oh brother what a crock of shit. :jerkit:

I'll have the videos online tonight so everyone can see just how easy I was on the Scharde. :rolleyes:
 
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Are you saying that a knife made out of a re-cycled Chinese bicycle held up better than the Reeve knife?
I will be tuning in for this......
 
mistwalker said:
Well...I've been up all night and I'm sort of tired but off the top of my head... Camillus made the pilots survival knife by pretty much copying a Marbles design, The first Tanto was made in Asia long before the company Cold Steel existed, and even if Busse was the first person to make a slab handled leaf shaped knife which he wasn't you can easily see where he has taken design elements from other knife makers such as Randall, Cattaraugus, and SOG. And custom makers emulate earlier patterns all the time in commisioned knives.
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Jim Bowie's family should sue everyone, the whole knife world has robbed them of their design, the residuals would be staggering.
The German in me loved the thoroughness of your review, long on info and short on babble. Looks like a future purchase with the price and 1095 for a hard use is a given.
have a good one Mistwalker.
 
This was a very fine review. Some may hate the fact that an inexpensive "copy" of a well-known survival knife did so well. The insults made by some upon the character of the reviewer are inexcusable in my opinion.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
You are clueless, either inadvertently or by design. Maybe you should step away from the keyboard until you learn something about the knife industry, so far you are remarkably ignorant.

Thanks for the insight into your clue-deprived and ethically-challenged psyche.
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Wow talk about bunched up panties, Horn dog here is 100% correct.. who really cares, and collectors do know and always will buy the real deal.. but before ya start pointing fingers look around your house, if a simple knife copy bothers ya that bad, how about house hold items?? maybe replace that American standard rip off of Kohler sinks...and vice versa...your tires on the car, power and hand tools,....and we can make this list all day long, from archery broad heads, right through knives, down to your shoes, a copy is just that, who cares , if ya don't like don't buy it.
 
Sharp Phil said:
Based on this I was surprised to see this glowing review of a Taylor Cutlery knife. I don't believe that this knife out-performed the Chris Reeve of which it is a copy, though; I think it much more likely that the Great Unknowable Hockey Mask contrived his "tests" to produce the results he wanted, given his previous public defamation of the Reeve brand.
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That must be the only explanation. :jerkit:
 
mmmotorcycle said:
While copies may not infringe on legal boundries, that does not make copies ok. It is an issue of morals. I have them and see that a ripoff "artist" does not deserve my money. It is that simple.
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There is no moral issue here. If Reeve has a patent on the design, he can sue. If the patent is lapsed, there is no moral issue, as copying after the patent ends is exactly the way the system is set up. If he never patented his design, there is again no moral issue, especially since he never bothered to take the precautions to protect his design to begin with.

You may have a stake in preserving Reeve's monopoly, but the world does not, and Reeve himself cannot even make such a claim of exclusivity, if a patent does not currently cover the design. As such, it's difficult to declare Reeve's exclusive rights to the design when he actually has none.
 
you seem to be confusing what is legal with what is moral.

the two can certainly be mutually exclusive.
 
Horn Dog said:
This was a very fine review. Some may hate the fact that an inexpensive "copy" of a well-known survival knife did so well. The insults made by some upon the character of the reviewer are inexcusable in my opinion.
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+1 i agree
 
fastcamo said:
Wow talk about bunched up panties, Horn dog here is 100% correct.. who really cares, and collectors do know and always will buy the real deal.. but before ya start pointing fingers look around your house, if a simple knife copy bothers ya that bad, how about house hold items?? maybe replace that American standard rip off of Kohler sinks...and vice versa...your tires on the car, power and hand tools,....and we can make this list all day long, from archery broad heads, right through knives, down to your shoes, a copy is just that, who cares , if ya don't like don't buy it.
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Sorry, he is not correct.

Keep rationalizing if it makes you feel better about yourself.
 
mmmotorcycle said:
Well, you certainly know very little about Jerry's history as a knifemaker......or at least less than I do. :D

As for the tanto blade.......Bob Lum will always be famous for the Americanized tanto that he brought to the US.:thumbup:

It is plain ignorant to try comparing the influences of Busse design (an amazing company with only perfect reputation) with the mindless copying of yet another well-loved maker, Chris Reeve. Many full custom makers do in fact make renditions of each others work but they label their work as a "Rendition of so and so's model". I am trying to do my best to enlighten you so please don't take this the wrong way!:rolleyes:
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Ignorance is a term that is subject to opinion and is defined in different ways by different people.

While I am all for spending a little more on a better quality product, I never buy tools at Big Lots, and am a firm believer in the fact that if you buy a good one of something to start with you will buy fewer of them in the long run, I would personally think it shear ignorance to spend $400.00 on a knife when I can spend $100.00 on a knife that will function just as well. This logic applies even more so in the current global economic situation as to me there are much more important priorities. I can then take the $300.00 I save and put it towards other purchases of gear, a hiking day trip with my family or a nice surprise for my wife or kids. I used to buy a lot of expensive knives when I was younger and lived at home with mom and dad and had no responsibilities. I have matured a good bit since then.

I also personally find it ignorant to get more worked up over something the person supposedly being wronged…seems like a waste of energy that could be better spent on other endeavors by anyone who actually had a life.

Why should I improve the quality of someone else’s life at my own ignorant expense when I can be perfectly happy with a less costly purchase and use the unspent money to improve my life and that of my family?

It is funny how some people are so money minded as to be blinded to reality. I am a builder, and custom woodworker. I charge a fair price from hardworking middle class Americans, and I have been known to drastically lower my pricing for a family in obvious need but also obviously lacking in funds. However I learned a valuable lesson twenty years ago when bidding a job in a historically wealthy mountain community here. I made the terrible mistake of bidding the job at what was a fair price with a reasonable profit and thereby lost the job to a carpenter of lesser skill that I had known for years. The next time I went to bid a job up there I figure what would be my normal pricing and then tripled it and got the job. After that, thanks to word of mouth advertising, I worked in that community for two solid years and still work there from time to time to this day. All of those people could have had the exact same quality of work done at a third the price, but they are the type of people who like to brag about what they have or have done by “complaining” about how much they spent on it sort of like shouting “Hey look how much money I can afford to waste and not feel the effects!!”. These are the very same people here who have ten Randall and fifteen Busse knives hanging in pristine condition on their walls (no I am not knocking the quality of Randall or Busse knives both are quite excellent knife makers) in glass cases in their dens, but have no clue how to use them in the bush. Well….a couple of them do now that I have taught them a thing or two, but both went out and bought “lesser” knives to take to the bush. I have never been one for hanging trophies on my wall, when I hunt I aim for the head to waste less meat. There have always been and will always be those out there with more money than sense, and more information than knowledge, and the term “a fool and his money will soon be parted” will always be a valid statement. Personally, given the choice between the two, I will take common sense over wealth any day.

Brad "the butcher";6499365 said:
Jim Bowie's family should sue everyone, the whole knife world has robbed them of their design, the residuals would be staggering.
The German in me loved the thoroughness of your review, long on info and short on babble. Looks like a future purchase with the price and 1095 for a hard use is a given.
have a good one Mistwalker.
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Thanks…told you I was tired.

Horn Dog said:
This was a very fine review. Some may hate the fact that an inexpensive "copy" of a well-known survival knife did so well. The insults made by some upon the character of the reviewer are inexcusable in my opinion.
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That’s ok, I like to go ahead get the name calling and insulting out in the open early as it lets me know who the immature, and closed-minded people are so I can avoid wasting energy on conversations them in the future .


fastcamo said:
Wow talk about bunched up panties, Horn dog here is 100% correct.. who really cares, and collectors do know and always will buy the real deal.. but before ya start pointing fingers look around your house, if a simple knife copy bothers ya that bad, how about house hold items?? maybe replace that American standard rip off of Kohler sinks...and vice versa...your tires on the car, power and hand tools,....and we can make this list all day long, from archery broad heads, right through knives, down to your shoes, a copy is just that, who cares , if ya don't like don't buy it.
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At least somebody gets it
 
MORIMOTOM said:
you seem to be confusing what is legal with what is moral.

the two can certainly be mutually exclusive.
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Intellectual property is a case where the legal and moral are actually tied. So much so that a system has been created to allow a creator to protect his/her idea. If a creator cannot or will not take advantage of the system designed to protect him, the moral claim is waived.

You may argue on Reeve's behalf that there is some kind of "unwritten rights and morality" covering what can be copied sans patent/trademark/copyright. Reeve himself may even claim such arbitrary rights. That is your perogative. But don't ask others to accept your standard. Furthermore, are you willing to apply such "unwritten rights and morality" across the board, not only with other knife makers, but with everything? Does any sane person really want to carry this through?
 
I definitely agree that the name calling (on both sides of the fence) has been unnecessary and has only served to detract from the discussion at hand.

Personally, I make my comments regarding Taylor Cutlery based on previous experience with their product lineup, and that I don't like seeing direct copies from anyone, unless a marked improvement has been legally and properly attempted. The design of the Schrade ES is just a bit too close for my tastes, but if it really does take a beating the way it sounds like it does then I may have to change my opinion regarding the knife. In the meantime I'll stick with my RATs, but I'll have to give Noss' vid a look.

P.S. For what it's worth I don't think Noss really deserves the criticism he often receives. Sure his getup is a little outlandish, but this is about knives, not fashion. He implicitly states on his page that the tests he performs are not intended as scientific or representational of what a knife SHOULD be able to withstand, but rather that it gives you an idea of how far and under what circumstances different knives can be pushed before they will take damage such as to cause total failure. This is valuable to know, and I think we all realize that.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
you seem to be confusing what is legal with what is moral.

the two can certainly be mutually exclusive.
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I'd be willing to bet you don't apply this same train of thought to medications, foods, cell phones, shoes, clothes etc., etc.,...
 
Edit: Sorry had to remove some politics, my hand slipped :)
On topic: good review, thanks
 
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FortyTwoBlades said:
P.S. For what it's worth I don't think Noss really deserves the criticism he often receives. Sure his getup is a little outlandish, but this is about knives, not fashion.
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If they were of actual value and not simply stunts, he would be willing to take responsibility for them rather than hiding.
 
I think some of the posters are far more upset and offended than the folks at CRK are.
I don't think they need defending by proxies or apologists.
If this was that big an issue with them I feel certain they would persue legal remedy. I simply can't see their sales affected by copies, exact or not. Their knives have a well deserved following and in my opinion this knife will have no effect on that.

I fail to see why the review itself can't be judged on it's own merit. I don't think the moral foot stomping or politics have a place in this. I don't belive there was any kind of agenda involved. The fellow bought a knife and put it through some paces.

This individual presented one of the most well thought out reviews I've seen in some time. It is neither puff piece or destruction test. It shows in great detail how this particular knife performed in a fair variety of tasks. More of this is needed even though I happen to think that there are things to be learned from the Noss tests also.

Mistwalker, I feel bad about some of the comments made toward your character. Don't let it affect your posting more reviews. There was a time when pieces of this type could be found in some of the knife and survival mags. It reminds me of articles in the old American Survival Guide. A bit harder to find this kind now. Ever thought about doing something for print?

Keep up the good work!

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