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Schrade Extreme Survival
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"difinitive" is not a word, so you can ascribe whatever meaning you wish.
Maybe next you can talk about how right and wrong is all relative-
How getting free knives from a POS in exchange for promoting/endorsing/spamming his stolen designs across multiple websites is not shilling. . . How stealing is ok if you get away with it. . .
How on another site you say the knife is an exact copy, yet here you say it is not. How you talked to CRK and they did not care about being ripped off, when on another site you say you talked to a receptionist who was reluctant to comment, and this receptionist somehow conveyed the feeling that CRK is flattered by being ripped off. . .
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Yeah...I love it. I usualy works really well against the simple minded, and literacy challenged, closed minded people who are always quick to attack that which they can't comprehend. Most of the time it leaves them with little to say, and less b.s. for me to have to wade through (see above quote).
Feel free to attack me all you want, I couldn't care less. I couldn't care less if you buy this knife or any other knife for the rest of your life for that matter. What you do is entirely your business.
All I intended to do with this thread was show that a knife can be affordable and functional all at the same time. I've done that and all your crying can't undo it. Some people's minds are just closed and that's that and that's not my problem.
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Sorry about the typo, but if you are going to quote me then at least have the maturity and decency to actually "quote" my words without using your slant. That was the day I got the knife and that review is full terms like "I think, "looks like", and "as best as I can tell", I never used the word exact. That was over two weeks ago and I have looked into the design a bit more since then and talked to people on both sides of the fence.
And....great yet another literacy challenged person to deal with...the term CRK and Receptionist can be used interchangeably in this description because when she chose answer my questions she then became the only representative of CRK in the conversation
Look, I bought this knife expecting, just as I said in the beginning of the thread, for it to break in the first five minutes of use. However it didnt. The difference between you and I well one of them anyway, is that fact that it was a pleasant surprise for me, but it was a disappointment and an affront to you. I dont think you would have cared about the blatant similarities between this knife and the CRK had it proved to be a piece of crap. However its not just a piece of crap and it is what it is. Get over it. Im going on with my life and more important issues now. I wish you would do the same if you actually have a life. If not go polish the glass on your knife case or perform some other constructive task.
I have no further desire to banter words with the witless and closed minded. Good day sir.
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You claim to have paid $100 for this knife. . . and you expected it to break in five minutes. . .
You scoff at paying $400 for a knife, and yet you were perfectly willing to throw away $100 on a whim.
And you think that my problem with your shilling for Taylor Cutlery has something to do with the performance of the knife.
Ironic that you are trying to portray me as witless.
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What's your point? Is a 300% difference not enough for you?
That is still an assumption.
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Honestly..I had mixed feelings about the knife all the way home. My gut feeling while "playing" with the knife in the store and my years of experience with actualy using knives in the field (note I said field not den or driveway) told me the knife was actualy soundly made. I do own one authentic Chris Reeve so I am familiar with the design. However life has taught me that usualy anything that looks too good to be true often is....often but not always. I actualy hesitated at the checkout for a minute thinking and almost took it back to the knife counter but that little voice in my head kept saying "man, that thing really feels solid". So...being that it has been my instincts that have gotten me through many things and kept me alive in several instances I decided to trust them and if it was actually a cheap fake I fully intended to plaster that fact all over the web in as many places as I could find to post it. As it turned out my instincts were once again right, it is actually soundly made. Being as I was once a staunch Schrade fan long before most of these fancy shmancy custom knife makers came along the fact that they were once again making a decent knife delighted me. So, having been so willing to smear them to start with I was eaqually happy to show that it was a decent knife. Now I'm a happy customer and you're a p!ssed off elitist end of story why do we keep going on about this? I've answered every question I've been asked honestly and truthfully, don't you have anything more important to do than be p!ssed off about this? Is this Chris Reeve that I am talking to or what?
Better to throw $100.00 away on a whim than $400.00...no-one has demonstrated to me the soundness of the Reeve design, I've never seen a presentation I knew to be unbiased...maybe I will look for it now that I actualy trust the soundness of the larger design, but I doubt it....what's the point?
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Despite being in Africa, we don't all behave like Nigerian fraudsters. (OK, just sometimes!!)
Just a question ...where is the Schrade made? I have seen China mentioned and if true ....... specifically in the current crunch in the US economy .....doesn't charity begin at home? Chris Reeves blades are 100% USA made .....by a US person, paying his US taxes and likely having a family. So even if $400, it all stays in the US economy. On the Schrade ..... does it make sense to support a foreign economy when US jobs are on the line?
Myself, I will not buy the Schrade. I believe Chriss Reeve has paid his dues and earned respect the hard way. Now a jump up copies his works and have it made abroad ........ I am not worried about legality. I look at the moral fabric. I would not like it done to me so I will try my best not to do it to others, or support those that do it to others.
But then, if my son was going in harms way and I could only aford a $50 knife, I surely would want this to be the best knife I can get for my money. A copy or not ....it would make no differance when lives are at stake.
On the review ...I found it informative and entertaining at the same time. A broad spectrum of usese were evaluated and although all opinions are biased by personal preferances, I found the concusions above board and honest. Well done and thanx!
Just a question ...where is the Schrade made? I have seen China mentioned and if true ....... specifically in the current crunch in the US economy .....doesn't charity begin at home? Chris Reeves blades are 100% USA made .....by a US person, paying his US taxes and likely having a family. So even if $400, it all stays in the US economy. On the Schrade ..... does it make sense to support a foreign economy when US jobs are on the line?
Myself, I will not buy the Schrade. I believe Chriss Reeve has paid his dues and earned respect the hard way. Now a jump up copies his works and have it made abroad ........ I am not worried about legality. I look at the moral fabric. I would not like it done to me so I will try my best not to do it to others, or support those that do it to others.
But then, if my son was going in harms way and I could only aford a $50 knife, I surely would want this to be the best knife I can get for my money. A copy or not ....it would make no differance when lives are at stake.
On the review ...I found it informative and entertaining at the same time. A broad spectrum of usese were evaluated and although all opinions are biased by personal preferances, I found the concusions above board and honest. Well done and thanx!
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Hopefully not me because I'm done. I have answered a gazillion questions and said more than I ever expected to. Read if you want, if you have a question on my opinion of the knife that didn't get covered then pm me. If you have any questions on the specs of the knife that I didn't cover then do as I did and do a google search on schrade find Taylor Brands website, click on the contact button, and then write an email.
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The more you "talk", the more you contradict yourself. Of course to you, I am sure the "truth" is all a matter of opinion since you live in a word of no absolutes.
You can't fully expect the knife to break while trusting your gut instinct that it is solid.
I won't address the silliness that comprises the body of your post, you are ridiculously far off the mark with all of your assumptions. your post edit added "thoughts" is the most indecipherable bit you have posted thus far.
You still have yet to grasp the concept of ethics.
Hopefully you will manage to wrap your head around the fact that some people abide by a set of moral principles and will not do business with thieves or stay silent while their ethically challenged supporters promote them.
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Also, just to clear something up- did you buy the Knock off CRK before or after you tested the free S&W knives?
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The original review is thorough and well-documented. I don't believe anyone disputes that.
Some here have a problem with the copying of the Reeve design. That's easily enough understood.
To me, the biggest issue here is that the original poster has misrepresented his relationship to Taylor and, when questioned on this fact, has become defensive and insulting rather than truly addressing this misrepresentation. The story he's told here and the story he's told at other sites contradict each other, as already mentioned in this thread.
Either "mistwalker" was sent knives by Taylor for evaluation, or he was not. This, by itself, is no issue; it is done all the time in the industry.
The fact that he's not been honest about that from the start, however, is an indicator that there is a lack of ethics involved. This has nothing to do with the review itself and everything to do with how it is presented. If I accept knives for evaluation but then present my review as if it's just a happy surprise experienced in the course of my normal knife-buying activities, I've been dishonest with you and I have created misleading expectations.
Some here have a problem with the copying of the Reeve design. That's easily enough understood.
To me, the biggest issue here is that the original poster has misrepresented his relationship to Taylor and, when questioned on this fact, has become defensive and insulting rather than truly addressing this misrepresentation. The story he's told here and the story he's told at other sites contradict each other, as already mentioned in this thread.
Either "mistwalker" was sent knives by Taylor for evaluation, or he was not. This, by itself, is no issue; it is done all the time in the industry.
The fact that he's not been honest about that from the start, however, is an indicator that there is a lack of ethics involved. This has nothing to do with the review itself and everything to do with how it is presented. If I accept knives for evaluation but then present my review as if it's just a happy surprise experienced in the course of my normal knife-buying activities, I've been dishonest with you and I have created misleading expectations.
I can show you lots of people out there know where he's living and know his face. I don't think he's hiding. It's not hiding from nobody, especially from you. Well, it's not my bisiness but Usually I don't ask another guy to send me a photo...:barf:
Now take you the responsibility, ask him one!?
The truth is that you too hate each other and only god knows why!
Above all, especially you write to many bullshit..
{created misleading expectations}
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Huh??
H_ll me being honest is what got all this bs started in the first place.
I'm not deffensive about it at all. I was asked a question so I answered it. Then I was asked that same question again and copy/pasted that same answer, and I was asked again and I answered again. Now it's still being asked and guess what, here is my answer again....maybe making it bigger will help. I can't help it if the answer takes more than ten words to say and some people have a love for talking but an aversion to actualy reading.
Well…I have no real relationship with Taylor LLC other than that of a pleased and inquisitive customer who wrote to tell them so and to ask some questions. I wanted to know what kind of steel was used, and if they had any intentions of making a shorter version or other variations of the extreme survival knife because, while the E,S. is definitely a tough as nails knife, a 7.5 inch blade is a bit much for EDC carry doing research in the bush. Also that as tough as this knife was a shorter one would in my opinion make for an even stronger knife by allowing less leverage on the blade when prying or digging which I tend to do a lot of in the field. I walk for miles in the bush and I like to limit how much I take in as I am always bringing things back out for use or study back at camp or back home. I like having a shorter stout knife that has a thicker than usual blade which gives it the weight to chop like a larger knife. For the last several years my EDC fixed blade has been and still is my SOG Bowie which is as always right here beside me. Morgan Taylor wrote me to say thanks for my response. In the return email I mentioned that I had done a short review on the E.S. on a wilderness site that I write on to share what I had learned about it with some friends. He , I assume, read what I had written, and then wrote back telling me of some new knives coming out with shorter thicker blades and asked if I’d be interested in checking them out in the field and giving him some feed back. Naturally I said of course. The demonstration shown in this thread was done with one of them yes, but is by far no knife review. The material in this thread is given as a demonstration of useable, and possibly even life saving wilderness skills which mentions specific attributes of the type knife needed and attributes of the knife used. Those attributes mentioned would apply to any knife of similar make-up. This just happens to be the one I used at the time. If you are interested in a review of this knife I will go ahead and tell you now as I have already told Mr. Taylor. That the blade design is very tough and good for rough work but the clearance holes in the tang and G-10 handle scales are a bit over-sized causing the handle scales to prematurely loosen. And that the edge retention of the 440 stainless wasn’t as good as the 1095 used on the Schrade knife I had been testing for possible future carry in emergency kits. Now having said this it is only fair to also add that I did beat the heck out of just the very tip of that knife while pushing on the handle with all the weight of my 6”-2” 260 pound body. A lot of more costly knives would have fared no better. And in response to my input, Mr. Taylor said he would see what could be done to remedy these problems. I am still evaluating the knife but it’s really not for me as an EDC. But it is a damned good beater blade to keep around.
Just to mention one fact. I own SOG knives and a CRK. I have written to both in the past and waited over a week just to get a reply from some lower ranking desk jockey that actually knew little about the questions I was asking that never got answered to my satisfaction. It took till the next day to get a reply to my letter to Schrade.
By the way, I don't intend to argue semantics with the maturity challenged but I'm not on Taylor LLC's payroll (I'll be sure to let you know if that changes) and I mention the good and the bad as I personally see it, and in any case the plural doesn't apply.
and once again I'll ask this question... would a shill be dumb enough to post this??
Come on people use a little logic.
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Umm, you seem more than qualified to do a side by side demonstration of your own based on your review of the E.S., however I wouldn't mind seeing the finer cutting capabilities of each knife as opposed to some chopped up veggies.
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The authentic CRK I have is an Aviator which only has a four inch blade...hard to test them equally.
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how does it hold up? IIRC, that is also of one piece construction? I think you could do a side by side w/ cutting abilities, I don't need to see the CRK pounded through a piece of wood, that's not my style.
I'm more interested in the cutting qualities, edge retention, and heat treat of a knife as opposed to other capabilities, such as chopping wood, I am also a firm believer in "the right tool for the right job", but I also am a firm believer in "to each his own", thanks.
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The first paragraph of your review is pure fantasy.
You were obviously given the knife to review and pump up some interest for the company on multiple forums.
You have done several free knife reviews for them already.
Now we are expected to believe that you wandered into a store and found this CRK rip off,
only to then discover that it's a Schrade?
Since you get free products from the company, you now have a biased opinion,
and have been paid with free knives to advertise.
Even if this one wasn't free
You have gotten others and I am sure hope for more.The knife is a rip off of another’s hard work.
Not only did they steal the design, but all the advertising and hard won reputation of the company they are stealing from.
Instead of being inspired by the Reeve knife and designing their own, they bought one and sent it off to be copied.
Instead of building their own reputation for fine knives, they will try to steal one....
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