ScrapYard Knives

My single experience with Busse was an order a while back for a sizable model that appeared to fit my desire for a large & rugged backwoods blade for a multitude of large blade tasks. The order got lost at least twice, the knife was delayed for several months after the original delivery date passed, communication was spotty, the gal I talked to on the phone two or three times was very friendly but could never explain the order/production/delivery process (she literally had no idea) or exactly what stage of existence my knife was at during any conversation (and apparently could not find out), the extended order process tied up funds on that card without me knowing for sure until those several months had gone by that Busse was even going to deliver the knife, and once I emailed Jerry Busse himself & was told "It shouldn't work like this", the knife eventually showed up.

Was it a beefy knife? Yes. Would it stand up to severe use? Undoubtedly. Was it well made? Very much so. Is the steel superior? I believe it is, based on its reputation. Mine sits here in the office, it has never been used. Is it worth the $325 I paid for it? Probably. Should you buy a Busse product? Entirely up to you. Would I buy one again? Nope. It just isn't worth the effort to me to live on their website waiting for what I want to rotate around again, or do what it takes to track a used one down. While I quite likely have over 100 knives of various sorts here, I'm not a collector and most have been acquired in my younger days when I didn't know what was good & what wasn't, more recently for serious use now that I do, or for business purposes.

I bought the Busse intending to use it, but it turned out to be too big to wear with the seatbelt buckled in my Rhino for long excursions, too heavy to wear on foot (opposite a handgun), and the handle configuration is too thin to be comfortable in my hand. Note: That's just me, and it is not intended to be a criticism of either the company or those who do like Busse products. The handle configuration was designed the way it is to provide certain features & functions that the Busse people thought important, it seems to work for others, and it's hardly the first time something that the rest of the world likes doesn't fit me. :)

On the other hand, the big blade that does go along in a gear bag in the Rhino is a Swamp Rat knife. I liked the differentially hardened blade and the very ergonomic Resiprene grip. The price was less than half of what I paid for the Busse, and the Swamp Rat knife actually gets used. I would have bought a couple more, but those were dropped from their lineup shortly after. This is a matter of choosing to take the Swamp Rat out in the wilds and not by default, it's not the only large blade I own.

I was hoping for a similar knife as a backup when I heard about Scrap Yard's operation, but I've given up there, too.
There's no question about the quality, and obviously the Busse/Swamp Rat/Scrap Yard Group is selling to the level they want to sell at, but it's the damndest way to do business for the consumer. The potential buyer looking for one or two knives as users is not particularly well served by their business model. Establishing a basic line of five or so knife patterns maintained in continuous production and inventory would do a better job of selling to a more general market, with a rotating lineup of other models for collectors & special interest or semi-custom buyers to cover the more specialized market.

I'm not heavily into instant gratification, but on the other hand the best knife in the world does me no good if I can't get one, and I personally just don't need anything from that outfit enough to do what it takes to get any more of them. The two I have now will meet my extreme needs, smaller blades cover 90% of my regular blade demands, I'm too old to have enough time left in this world to wear them out, and I have other knives to fall back on if I lose these two.

There are many potential Busse customers who are frustrated with what it takes to buy a Busse Group knife, and many who feel that they're simply not superior enough to do what it takes to actually get one.
I don't doubt the quality, Jerry Busse has every right in the world to run his business/s any way he wants to, and there are many satisfied owners of Busse/SW/SY knives.
If you think they're worth the effort to get one, they are. If you think they're not, they're not. :)

Denis
 
Busse newb here - but not a BF newb. I just got on the SOD deal (day before closing) and haven't received my knife yet. I'm CDN and realize it will take even more time to receive my knife. However, the ordering process was fine recognizing there was a window of time in which the knife was available. A simple web transaction that took a few minutes. You really need a Credit card to do it, I don't know if they will accept MO or other payment forms. The scrapyard forum is actually quite active and I had no difficulty logging on. The scrapyard members are incredibly friendly and very warm welcoming new people like myself. The scrapyard staff also post up warnings on their forum about when an upcoming knife model will be released and an estimate about how long the knives will be available for. For example, they posted a warning about 3 d before the closing that they were getting close to fulfilling the quota on the knife.

Regarding the gist of this thread, yes the Bussekin group are a club. This is the Busse business model and it does work for them. They are running their respective business' very successfully and their business model has been built through the development of an incredibly loyal customer base and by building a product that lives up to its hype. The three sub-companies each specialize in price-point categories. Their customer base would not have the following that it does if they were not producing a quality product or maintaining excellent customer service to their user base!!

The main issues being discussed in this thread seems to revolve around the difficulty of obtaining their products. Again, this is by design. This is in fact the heart of the their business model. Once you have a knife in hand then you are in the club. Interesting enough, this applies whether you purchase it direct from them or from the 2nd market. In truth, its not my favored situation. I'd like to get any Busse model I want, whenever I like and not have to pay the extended secondary market fees. Well in that - I am disappointed, but not to the point where I would boycott their products.

If you want to get one, especially directly from the company, then you will have to jump through the flaming hoops that they have been set up. Your reward will be that you will have paid the cheaper direct to market price and will have something in your hands that you can likely turn-around at a higher price on the 2nd market. If you want it now, then you will have to pay the 2nd mark-up. That is just how it goes. Busse won't apologize for this, it is what they are promoting.

I will say this. They do make fantastic knives that are robust by design. I've had an opportunity to handle several of them from friends, did some chopping with them and even saw the different grind configurations that come out of the factory shop. For example the half convex/half V-grind (one grind on each side) on some of the models is a really unique attribute that conveys special characteristics in how it chops. The fbm's are an amazing knife. Expensive, but would I consider, and many others as well, the best large knife chopper out there. It is the standard - like a Sebenza is the standard. Maybe that is like a BMW owner, I don't know, but I wouldn't mind having one.

Nozh's comments about Busse blades are unique, in that he is the only one who ever makes the kind of statements he has been making lately. I will leave it at that.
 
While the Busse Club does have some very friendly members, I just wanted a good knife, I didn't want to join a club. :) Not much of a joiner.
No question that it works for the Busse people, and Club members, just didn't work well for me.
Again- Not knocking Busse fans. :)


Denis
 
Dennis,

I thought your first post on this page was completely fair and objective. It provided good information. I can understand your position. I held off on the Busse line for a long time, even convinced myself I wouldn't get one.

After handling other peoples Busse knives, I did change my mind. I don't know when I'll eventually happen on my first true Jerry Busse with mag scales. At least I found out that a mag, BATAC fits me perfectly and I love the blade profile. Don't have the cash for one of those right now and I'm still immersed in getting custom blades right now. So one day I'll get one!

They also aren't the blade for everyone. They are overbuilt and neither delicate or optimized for slicing. The good news is that there are many, many blades even some competitors that produce really great products and perhaps more importantly to this thread are much more readily available.

The one strange thing about their marketting strategy is that their knives retain and exceed their value of the direct purchase. That is a strange, yet by all means, novel marketing twist. On the one hand, it seems like they are selling less product. On the other hand, there are a pile of 'speculation buyers' who routinely purchase multiple knives in order to flip them on the 2nd market or trade them for other Busse models. I don't really know of any companies that do this. However, it is pretty innovative when you think about it!
 
I have to put it like this. Having knives from all 3 companies, the products live up to the hype. Look for the best price someone offers on the for sale forum and grab one if you really want it. Now, Americans are really too spoiled. I hope that as this economy grinds down to a standstill, we won't have to be getting on a 3 or 4 month waiting list at walmart for a 3 pack of underwear because it sounds like some people won't be able to cope. I'd rather keep my eyes peeled for an American made knife that I've been assured is worth the trouble, than I would buy anything coming from overseas right now. We need to support as best we can, the local shops that are taking big risks to be manufacturers in the US these days. I bought extra Dog Fathers and Dumpster Mutts when they were available to use as barter goods in the future. I think the days of having everything that we want whenever we want it are coming to an end in this country.



Its not a matter of having things when I want them. First off, it was the lack of firmiliarity with the whole ordering and availability process. If you read my post you will see that. Secondly, it was not having access to Swamps Forum. But guess what, after this thread took off I received an email that I now can join in the festives. And since I did not know all these policies and just made an educated guess that like most other production knife companies I could get one in a month or less. Instant gratification is not what I am about. I ordered a custom 1 1/2 yrs ago and am still waiting. The shortest time I waited for a full custom was 45 days.

It seems some people are reading way to much into this. And getting defensive about it as well. Thats what happens with hijacking threads. The original idea gets lost. Many many people here have been a great help. I am going to post on SY what I am looking for. Being a father of two, and running a business does not allow me much time to stair into the computer screen waiting for a knife to appear. Most of my time allowed to hang in the forums will be dedicated to BF. I love it here and I think this forum will offer much more than the others. Not saying SYard doesn't offer much, I'm sure it does.

I'll see what happens. The forumites at SYard all seem pretty nice. I'm sure somehow, someway they can help me find a DFLE.
 
Nozh's comments about Busse blades are unique, in that he is the only one who ever makes the kind of statements he has been making lately. I will leave it at that.

May be unusual, because of that loyal customers club but not unique:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3047766&postcount=47

And do not forget another statement - SR101 is one of the best edge holding steel.

And another one - Jerry Busse sad that nothing wrong with my knife (I was hoping that it was bad HT or something) - problem is that I resharpen it to 14.45 degree (28.9 degree) and this is too thin. This is not my statement.

So with 40-50 degree edge angle chopping though concrete or something, batoning stainless steel pipe with sledge hummer - this is seems to be area of use - I am not questioning INFI superiority here.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Heh, I like the part in that link to the Swamp Rat site where it says they could lose whatever contract with Busse...yep, Im sure a husband would swipe a contract right out from under his wife.

Anyways, I had a Busse once a few years ago...one of the "Busse Basic" models. Nice enough knives if you can get them but there are a lot of companies/makers who you can buy knives from that understand YOU are the customer and dont pretend they are gracing you with a gift from God if they allow you to buy a knife.

And they dont tell you that they will NEVER sell you a knife if you dial the wrong shop.

Yeah, thats kinda where i'm at...I'm all for supporting American business, Americans generally make excellent products, but these stores arent short of competitors, and i'm not short of choice for hard use knives...
 
I just tried posting in the Busse/SwampRat/ScrapYard sub-forum. It told me I do not have access. Hmmm!
 
I just tried posting in the Busse/SwampRat/ScrapYard sub-forum. It told me I do not have access. Hmmm!

were you trying to post in the for sale sub-forum, or the busse sub-forum? starting new threads in the for-sale forums is limited to gold members and above. just go to manufacturers>busse, and you should be fine.
 
For scrapyard, they run their own forum on their website. You have to sign in on their website. Not sure why you are having trouble on either the Busse or Swamprat websites..
 
I really like Busse/Swamprat knives I like their reputation for quality and ability to take lots of abuse. That warranty sure doesn't hurt either.

That said, there ARE other options.

I remember watching an episode of "Survivorman", and Les Stroud carried (IIRC) a SAK and a Buck 119 special. I think the Buck 119 made an appearance in his South American episode where he was being chased by a leopard.
 
were you trying to post in the for sale sub-forum, or the busse sub-forum? starting new threads in the for-sale forums is limited to gold members and above. just go to manufacturers>busse, and you should be fine.




AHh. Thanks for the heads up. I should have checked but didn't think to buy I had to get a Gold. Thats fine cuz I plan on doing that anyway. A guy/or gal should support this hang-out!
 
For scrapyard, they run their own forum on their website. You have to sign in on their website. Not sure why you are having trouble on either the Busse or Swamprat websites..



I was only having trouble getting registered in S.Rat, but not now. Thats taken care of. I tried posting in the subforum here for B/SR/SY.
 
It doesnt matter which knife les uses, nothing he does works anyway. Just kidding, i think.
 
You're painting the radar again.
 
AHh. Thanks for the heads up. I should have checked but didn't think to buy I had to get a Gold. Thats fine cuz I plan on doing that anyway. A guy/or gal should support this hang-out!

You dont need to be Gold to buy,only to sell.You can still start a for sale thread without being a Gold member but you will incur an infraction.
 
Its not a matter of having things when I want them. First off, it was the lack of firmiliarity with the whole ordering and availability process. If you read my post you will see that. Secondly, it was not having access to Swamps Forum. But guess what, after this thread took off I received an email that I now can join in the festives. And since I did not know all these policies and just made an educated guess that like most other production knife companies I could get one in a month or less. Instant gratification is not what I am about. I ordered a custom 1 1/2 yrs ago and am still waiting. The shortest time I waited for a full custom was 45 days.

It seems some people are reading way to much into this. And getting defensive about it as well. Thats what happens with hijacking threads. The original idea gets lost. Many many people here have been a great help. I am going to post on SY what I am looking for. Being a father of two, and running a business does not allow me much time to stair into the computer screen waiting for a knife to appear. Most of my time allowed to hang in the forums will be dedicated to BF. I love it here and I think this forum will offer much more than the others. Not saying SYard doesn't offer much, I'm sure it does.

I'll see what happens. The forumites at SYard all seem pretty nice. I'm sure somehow, someway they can help me find a DFLE.


I didn't want to direct all of my comments directly to you in my first post. That's why I didn't quote you. Except to assure you that the 3 companies knives were worth the extra trouble to find them. The rest of it was just an observation. I like the Scrapyard forum too. Nice guys over there.
 
AHh. Thanks for the heads up. I should have checked but didn't think to buy I had to get a Gold. Thats fine cuz I plan on doing that anyway. A guy/or gal should support this hang-out!

You don't have to be Gold to respond in a For Sale thread, only to start a Sale thread.
 
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