Sebenza Overrated?

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rubiconss said:
I do not propose to speak for what Cynic meant nor do I necessarily ascribe philosophical processes to the discussions of knives but I didn't take it there either. As far as what Kant meant and how that relates I would just say this. IF the world as it lives in our mind at least was devideable into two arenas of the known (or knowable) Kant would have you believe that the Noumenon would constitute the knowable without benefit of having seen it, experienced it or identified the object or event with your senses. These would certainly comprise the loftier realities( i.e. God) as for the other broader category of phenomenon or things we find knowable or we consider familiar through use of our senses.
(i.e. knives) Again, I think Cynic by his own admission was being humorous as was I but the response was to my supposition of what is the nature of "over rated" and what is meant by the question.
I advanced the theory that when someone asks is something over rated are they really asking (or better yet, should they be asking) is it over priced?
I then attempted to answer both questions in the context of as compared to what.

ALL of which has accomplished nothing more than to prove that several of us (me included) has some extra time on our hands this fine Friday afternoon and whats wrong with that? NaDa.
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I like this answer. :thumbup:

Edited to add: I'm not completely retarded fellas, but I'm used to talking knives on Bladeforums. Philosophy doesn't pop up too often so pardon my ignorance. Also, when philosophy is brought up it seems a lot of unnecessarily large words are thrown about. I've got a couple SAT and power words stored in the memory bank, but I rarely use them, so again, I'm sorry. I also had to google half of what I was trying to understand so I was frustrated. Anyway, so where can this thread possibly go from here?
 
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Tony8179 said:
I like this answer. :thumbup:

Edited to add: I'm not completely retarded fellas, but I'm used to talking knives on Bladeforums. Philosophy doesn't pop up too often so pardon my ignorance. Also, when philosophy is brought up it seems a lot of unnecessarily large words are thrown about. I've got a couple SAT and power words stored in the memory bank, but I rarely use them, so again, I'm sorry. I also had to google half of what I was trying to understand so I was frustrated. Anyway, so where can this thread possibly go from here?
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Back to the subject that we ALL obviously share a common bond - Knives and our appreciation for them.

As with a beautiful Woman, our enjoyment if it pleases the Lady is ours and ours alone to enjoy and possibly share.
OR
I likes me some pretty things!! BooYah!
 
cynic2701 said:
not to take this in a wildly different direction, but...

If we are talking about differences in the phenomenal appearance and perception of objects, then it is possible to determine a hierarchy of differentiation by degree: This is intersubjective verifiability--the very foundation of "science".

There is the potentiality for an infinitude of possibilities for anything that is perceived noumenally. Though a set group of daseins may agree on a singularity of a noumenal appearance, that political agreement in no way excludes the potentiality for all other possible perceptions of that noumenal object.
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Sebenza!!!
 
Joshua J. said:
Peanut butter and jelly?
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Well, Skippy and Smuckers Strawberry Jam of course. :D

Kiah said:
Sebenza!!!
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I thought that was pretty damn funny. I could see it in my head. Two guys having a discussion about the Sebenza and then a third guy interjects with a crazy left field response. The two guys just stand there befuddled by what they are hearing from the third. The only response... "Sebenza!" LOL
 
Tony8179 said:
Ohhhhh. Yeah, I still don't understand what you're saying, but whatever. I'll just read the other posts. Thanks for trying to dumb it down for me though. :thumbup:
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I agree with you Tony. I think he is confusing this forum for a Philosophy of Ethics class. Let me see if I can be as straight forward as possible with this - There is no need to a jerk and try talking down to anyone in this forum, that is just unnecessary. Now, with all the mental self-pleasuring out of the way...:rolleyes:

I'll say this regarding the OP. The Sebenza is a beautiful knife. It's an excellent design and the craftsmanship is above and beyond what many would ever really expect to need. The downfall for me is the steel Rc. 58-59 might be acceptable on some level. Hell maybe regular people would not even notice. I did notice right off the bat with my Umnumzaan.

Here is a quick list of pros and cons (for me, YMMV):

Pros:
-Design is terrific, a beautiful and well thought out design given its history. This knife did not "just happen" by accident. The clip is also perfect in every way, as are the screws, lanyard placements.
-The tolerances are as close to perfect as you can get on a consistent level. It's extremely rare when you hear of someone that has a "crap" Sebenza.
-The blade grind is one of the most utilitarian and is executed wonderfully. There are no imperfections on the Lrg Insingo or CGG I own.
-Materials used are top of the line. The steel has become the staple of premium cutlery and is used by many other makers.
-Ergonomics on the Sebenza are there. It fills the hand and the grip i secured by the contours of the Titanium in any grip.
-Resale value holds up consistently well as seen by the dozens of knives on the exchange in the last week.

Cons:
-Price point. Many people do not want to shell out $400 for a knife, no matter what it is made of or whos name is on it. It's a fact. Does a $400 knife cut better than a $125 knife? Not exactly. The Sebenza seems more of a status piece than a full on utilitarian knife to some people.
-Steel hardness. My preference for CPM-S30V is 60-61Rc. If I spend $400 on a knife, I do not want to be sharpening it every day after use. Edge retention is important to some people. Some of my $130 knives hold a much better edge and seem to cut forever without having to do much more than a slight touch up with a 1K stone every week or 2.
-Thumbstuds are more aesthetic than functional. There is no purchase with the smoothed out studs. I don't generally flick my knives open like others enjoy doing. But a slightly more aggressive finish on the thumbstuds would not take anything away from it.
-Jimping. Again, kind of aesthetic only. My thumb slips off the ramp. Not good.

I'm sure some will disagree and I accept that, this is just my opinion.
 
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JNewell said:
Must be a slow day... ;)
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I was 14 before I found out that my "special" jacket my Mom made me wear to go out and play said, " S L O W child at Play" on the back.
Wasn't so bad though, my Dad made my brother one that said "Kick Me"
Ahhh. Good times
 
Yep, owned one in the early 2000's and wondered what all the fuss was about. Did not seem special to me compared with Benchmade AFCK, or Spyderco Military. Traded it later for a nice .45 auto Colt.

Still have the Colt.

Vin
 
Yeah I dunno what to think. I too have been torn to purchase a Sebenza or not. I have owned, traded and sold many high end knives but have never bought a CRK. In the end everyone has there vices, there personal issues and there opinions,what is best and just. To me, I like Emersons, and Kershaw, and a few Cold Steel, to others its Striders and Busse and well....Chris Reeve Knives. Not been able to purchase a CRK recently due to financial restrictions but prehaps when I do decide to buy one I hope to be as amazed with CRK as everyone else.:rolleyes:
 
By all means, lets get back on THIS topic... God knows it hasn't been beaten to death, debated to death.
If you go back to the original post that started this thread, it wasn't even a question. It was clearly an opinion posing as a question. The guy even admits he never even has handled or used the knife but - it's over rated. Hey, when did actual fact or experience based opinions ever matter?
As for the allusion to Lexus (Did he ever own or operate this fine automobile) OR the AK-47... now there is a cogent analogy list.
Lets see, Sebenza - Lexus - Ak-47 Hmmm. I know this one this is like the old game where you sing while you figure out which one doesn't belong right?
Nope.
But back to the very important analysis of this earth shattering question, Are Sebenzas over rated? Hmmm cue the song please..... Ahhh - No.
And I might add - It takes three (3) licks to get to the center of a Tootsie-Pop.

He did however ask whether he should be crucified. Despite the religious import of that question the answer never the less is - No to that question as well.
 
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They are beautiful knives.
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Ankerson said:
Yeah they are, but I can't get past the performance of the soft S30V that's why I am waiting for CRK to change to S35VN before I buy one.
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What exactly do you do with your knives?? :confused:

They all need sharpening if used, and as long as you use a knife for it's intended purpose they will all do the job they were designed for which is to cut stuff that is softer than steel.

Judging from some of your posts (in other threads) I know you like fine edges on your knives as do I. Is it that you don't like to continually sharpening a knife?

Please don't take this post as offensive, I am genuinely curious as to why you won't use S30V.

I doubt anyone would even know what steel they are using unless told.
 
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