Sebenza Overrated?

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BBQ BOY said:
If Spyderco made their knives to the tolerances as CRK's then I would be all over Spyderco more than I am now.
I love my CRK's. Very comfortable to me and I like the simplicity of the knives. I Especially love the fact that I can take them apart without voiding the warranty.
Also, I am not just buying the knife but I am buying the man and company. Mr. Glessnar Mr. Glesser and Mr. Reeve's Mr. Reeve are industry leaders in my book and exceptional people.
I would love it if Spyderco made their knives to CRK's level. It would be truly amazing since Spyderco are always breaking ground implementing materials and designs combined.
Maybe we should start a petition to ask Spyderco to do a once a year High end knife to be on par with CRK's build. I would pay $400. Probably not cost feasible for Spyderco though.
So to answer the question if the Sebenza is overrated. No. Given the cost of materials and materials used with sue high tolerances I think not. I do wish the S30V Mr. Reeves Mr. Reeve used was higher in RC or switch to a more durable steel with longer edge retention.
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Gator97 said:
No, me thinks, you have hard time to stomach different opinion from yours. That's all.


No, you do ignore all other makers, or pick only the parts that you need...


Why exactly should I consider your preferences when choosing MY knives? Are you paying for them, or are you going to maintain them or what? It's entirely up to an individual whether or not he/she considers other people's preferences when making a decision. Get real.


Yet, I bet, you yourself have done it countless times. According to you theoretical physics shouldn't exist, or any religion for that matter. And to be precise, what was given was an opinion why the knife is overrated, not the "complete assessment", once again, you are twisting the facts to fit your agenda.


Why is that anyway? It's their opinion and that's it. Just because you think otherwise doesn't mean they have to think the same.


But for someone to consider Sebenza not so superior is not acceptable for you?


Yeah ;) Why don't you do the measurements with more accurate than 0.001 calipers to bring that proof you have been posting all night.
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You make no sense when you post. Seriously you dont even answer the questions and you go off topic. YOu have zero reading comprehension and you dont understand what is being said. This just proves everything I've said. When did I ever say the Sebenza was superior? I said its not overrated and worth the money. When did I ignore what other knifemakers had to say about CRK? In fact I support what they say and quoted them directly, its you who doesnt. When did I say you should consider my preferances when you choose your knives? I said you need to be considerate of other people's preferances and not bash everything you personally dont like. Why would I even care what the hell you buy. You are not important to me or anyone else on this forum. When did I even bring up religion or physics in any of this. Sal has already said CRK has the tightest tolerances of any production company out there. If you choose to call him a liar, ignore it, doesnt matter to me. Just dont go talking out your ass when you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
wow this is a long thread. over rated? in my opinion yes. I have handled them and i really wanted to like it, but my first thought was "is that it?". it was stout and looked well made, but it was also bulky and didnt fit my hand. bottom line, is the knife for YOU, if yes then there is your answer. If no then move on down the line.
 
tripletrash said:
wow this is a long thread. over rated? in my opinion yes. I have handled them and i really wanted to like it, but my first thought was "is that it?". it was stout and looked well made, but it was also bulky and didnt fit my hand. bottom line, is the knife for YOU, if yes then there is your answer. If no then move on down the line.
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Bulky? Are you sure it was a Sebenza? Mine have all been slim.
 
Gator97 said:
Let's give credit where it's due, shall we?
Spyderco is one of the very few production knife companies that constantly tries new steels and pushes them close to the limits.
CRK, with the exception of BG-42 in the past, constantly uses lower hardness. 58-59HRC for S30V in Sebenza, which is a light use folder, fixed blades - S30V at 55-57HRC, and 55-57 HRC in their A2 steel knives.

I don't think Mr. Glesser said anything about lowering hardness, and if you want to consider production prices, low hardness is cheaper to make, easier to HT, and easier to machine, sharpen, etc.
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yore right, sal didnt say anything about lowering hardness. he said if he made knives the same way CRK makes them, they would cost just as much.

im not knocking on spyderco at all. jiggy made a claim that spyderco makes knives just as good as the sebenza, but at half the cost. therefore, sebenzas should cost much less.

but the owner and absolute man when it comes to spyderco, says different.

thats the point i was trying to prove. i never mentioned hardness.
 
tripletrash said:
wow this is a long thread. over rated? in my opinion yes. I have handled them and i really wanted to like it, but my first thought was "is that it?". it was stout and looked well made, but it was also bulky and didnt fit my hand. bottom line, is the knife for YOU, if yes then there is your answer. If no then move on down the line.
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Wow!! Really? I find my CRK's to be the nicest carrying knives out of all 200 of my knives.
There is more than just handling a knife to be able to give an objective opinion. Try using one. Most people's testimonies have been that they were just OK at first but after carrying them and actually using them they feline love.
 
100% sure it was a sebenza, they had several. Your opinion of slim may be my opinion of bulky. I didn't like it. at all. Im not saying it was a bad knife, Im saying if it was $150.00 I still wouldn't own one.
For the record, I am just downright shocked and offended that someone else would have a different opinion than mine.
 
5.56 said:
Bulky? Are you sure it was a Sebenza? Mine have all been slim.
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Yeah, not sure I get that. A small Seb is thinner than a Victorinox Pioneer

crappy webcam pic to show that:

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No it's not overated it's very expensive. There is difference. The Sebenza is one of the best knives you can buy for any amount of money. And it's very expensive. If you want perfection in a knife you gotta pay for it. End of story. There are plenty of knives pretty close for way less than half the price. But they aren't Chris Reeve knives. And they are the best.
 
Slider817 said:
No it's not overated it's very expensive. There is difference. The Sebenza is one of the best knives you can buy for any amount of money. And it's very expensive. If you want perfection in a knife you gotta pay for it. End of story. There are plenty of knives pretty close for way less than half the price. But they aren't Chris Reeve knives. And they are the best.
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Expensive:eek:? You clearly haven't seen an XM-18 on the secondary market. Besides which, I think some of the Striders have a more hefty price tag.
 
kawr said:
You make no sense when you post. Seriously you dont even answer the questions and you go off topic.
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Or you don't comprehend ;) Goes both ways. Besides, what questions are you talking about.

kawr said:
When did I say you should consider my preferances when you choose your knives?
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Right here:
kawr said:
Honestly I find it hard to stomach that people will choose to ignore logic, ignore other knifemakers, ignore other people's preferances...
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In case you don't understand, it's ok for people to ignore/consider whatever opinions they want to.

kawr said:
If you choose to call him a liar, ignore it, doesnt matter to me.
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Here we go again, kawr blatantly twisting facts and words.
Anyway, please be specific and quote me where I called Sal, or anyone else a liar. I could definitely find more than one post in this thread from you calling people liars w/o any basis for that.
 
tripletrash said:
"best" is relative. its just opinion. you could set up a set or parameters for "best" but then that would be the "best" match to those parameters only. its like speed, what you think is fast would probably put me to sleep. http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=h...re=player_embedded&start2&authorName=Not+Sure
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"Best" would obviously be fit and finish.

Titanium is nothing new, and there are a few steels that outperform S30V. However, I do find the blade profile to be absolutely perfect for most cutting tasks.

I wonder if customization and the ability to send your knife back in for a spa treatment is also the "best"? I sent in a used Sebenza I bought from someone else to have a Star Sapphire put into the handle along with a reverse silver contrast design. Not to mention bead blasting those scuff marks from the handle and clip(looked like the guy carried it in the same pocket as his keys everyday).

I can't really think of a knife maker that would give the buyer so many options for "blinging" and refurbishing his knife.
 
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Gator97 said:
Or you don't comprehend ;) Goes both ways. Besides, what questions are you talking about.


Right here:

In case you don't understand, it's ok for people to ignore/consider whatever opinions they want to.


Here we go again, kawr blatantly twisting facts and words.
Anyway, please be specific and quote me where I called Sal, or anyone else a liar. I could definitely find more than one post in this thread from you calling people liars w/o any basis for that.
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Hey genius its ok for you to ignore everyone's opinions but then dont make an argument about yours if you arent going to listen to anyone else's. Persuasive writing 101. When you choose to ignore reputable sources who clearly say the opposite of what you're saying and you choose to ignore, deny or just outright pretend doesnt exist then you are ignorant and lying to yourself. Theres no reason for you to be here trying to debate when you only listen to yourself and talk to yourself. Once again you've proven yourself to be narrow minded and arrogant. Also its funny because the only thing you've done in this thread is troll and not present a single logical reason behind why you choose to bash CRK. All you've done is jump in and echo others when its clear you cant think for yourself. Now I'm done responding to you because its like talking to a brick wall.
 
kawr said:
Hey genius its ok for you to ignore everyone's opinions
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You still don't get it, it's not just me, anyone is free to have an opinion of his own, ignoring or considering whatever they please.

kawr said:
but then dont make an argument about yours if you arent going to listen to anyone else's.
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Again, you are free to ignore, and disagree with mine, or anyone else's. However, that doesn't mean you can make derogatory comments and resort to namecalling and insults.

kawr said:
Theres no reason for you to be here trying to debate when you only listen to yourself and talk to yourself.
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That's clearly not for you to decide ;) It is a public forum, and the idea is people EXCHANGE opinions, debate, etc. Preferably in a civil manner. You know that right?

kawr said:
...the only thing you've done in this thread is troll and not present a single logical reason behind why you choose to bash CRK
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I think I have stated very clearly where and why in my opinion Sebenza doesn't meet the criteria of the flawless knife. If you were not so agitated, and read my posts more carefully, you'd see that long ago. Alternatively, you saw it, but again twisting words to fit your agenda.

kawr said:
Now I'm done responding to you because its like talking to a brick wall.
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Is it because you can't find a quite to back up your accusations? Ok, let's see how well you can keep your word ;)

P.S. Please, do get back to us when you measure your Sebenza with 0.0001 accurate calipers. Since you don't trust Benchmade website, I see no reason for you to trust any other.
 
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Whycome don't nobodies didnt ansswer my? question...:confused:
 
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