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Marketing fodder geared to attract pre-pubescent boys who regularly visit malls and dream of being ninjas? Just thinking out loud. ;)
 
bghorn said:
What else then if not safety?
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To hold the blade in place while force is being applied to the cutting edge?

Force would not be on the lock if used as intended..It would be on the stop pin and the pivot..The lock has little to do with anything in this direction.

I am not arguing that the Sebenza didn't fail..I am arguing the real world application of the test..It's a test of strength in the wrong direction as far as I can see it.
Personally,..I apply force towards the cutting edge.

What I am pointing out is that it's a tool..as a tool, it get's used for it's purpose. That doesn't mean that someone isn't going to create another purpose for it..it just means that when you step outside the intended purpose of the tool, then you take the risk of doing so.
For example,..I will cut up to 1" aluminum on a tablesaw at work..I assume all the risks of doing so KNOWING that using it in this manner is against it's intended purpose
Sure, it's primary purpose is to cut..But I am cutting something it wasn't really designed to cut..I have to have a blade designed for aluminum on a saw that was designed for wood.
 
I have watched the video a few times, read both threads on this topic more than once, and I know I will never use my Seb in such a manner that will test it as such, but in the end I am still in shock it couldn't hold more weight in the second test with a new knife. I just am taken back and to be honest, extremely disappointed.
 
ourgon said:
Which folding production knives they can't beat? Show examples please.
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Behold the Tri-Ad's kryptonite:

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Source: http://www.bladehq.com/item--Extrema-Ratio-185-RAO-Tactical--10005
 
bld522 said:
When it gets to the point that a safety issue is involved. I tend to stay way away from that point. If I'm going to err, I'll err on the side of safety every time. YMMV.
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But if a safety issue isn't involved with almost any other lock design for that task is it an issue of safety or a design failure?
 
What is interesting to me that we don't know at what weight the Sebenza's lock would fail. I wish Mr. Demko would have reduced the weight down and found out. It failed so quickly and easily at 45lbs (+ the weight of the hanging device) that I think it would have also failed at a much lower weight.
 
bhyde said:
Where is the safety issue exactly?
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Applying lateral torque as to pop out a chip of wood when whittling. Most lock designs, or even nonlocking folders, can do that without any safety issues coming up. Unfortunately, with a framelock you're applying force in a manner that will, unless significant care is taken, unlock it.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
But if a safety issue isn't involved with almost any other lock design for that task is it an issue of safety or a design failure?
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I'm not following you.

Here's the simple test I use. If I suspect that the tool I'm using may not be adequate to the task at hand for any reason whatsoever including safety, I'll select another tool. The question of whether it's related to a safety issue or a design failure has no impact on that decision. It's just off the table for me. Having said that, keep in mind that I'm a light knife user. Most of my knives are more than adequate to the tasks I ask of them. So safety and design issues are never really a factor.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Applying lateral torque as to pop out a chip of wood when whittling. Most lock designs, or even nonlocking folders, can do that without any safety issues coming up. Unfortunately, with a framelock you're applying force in a manner that will, unless significant care is taken, unlock it.
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Did you see the failure as you describe, or the video and apply it to something you relate to?

You didn't see the Sebenza fail during whittling..You are making an assumption that it would fail..I have cut many things with mine over ~20yrs and have yet to see this failure.
 
bld522 said:
You and me both, ourgon. You and me both!
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So, I think that ER can survive test but with blade play after...
[video=youtube;QiBtHGfgZLI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiBtHGfgZLI[/video]

I'd like to see field test with Emerson and CS as well.
 
I think it can to. And blade play isn't the issue here. It's only a question of which lock fails first.
 
bhyde said:
Did you see the failure as you describe, or the video and apply it to something you relate to?

You didn't see the Sebenza fail during whittling..You are making an assumption that it would fail..I have cut many things with mine over ~20yrs and have yet to see this failure.
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Actually, I'm drawing on experience and knowledge of applied physics. Again, it will not always fail and careful use can mitigate the risk, but other designs simply don't have that risk.
 
I just want to see Spyderco's updated midlock, as is on the Native 5, against the Triad.
 
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