Sebenza

[Ankerson]

There you go good enough for me. In fact I'd trust your tests to show real usage more than cold steel's single minded BS any day. Just like the Zaan I posted showing how tuff it really is.

Yeah it was real use, on the harder side of real use for some of it. :thumbup:

Not sure if you saw the article or not.

 

[Kwon Kwang]

While it's true that spine whacks and over strikes don't have any relevance to EDC (which is what most of us buy folders for), they have a lot of relevance to the target demographic for Cold Steel's customer base.

 

[Danke42]

So what motion with a knife does the target demographic carry out to make a spine whack relevant?

 

[bld522]

While it's true that spine whacks and over strikes don't have any relevance to EDC (which is what most of us buy folders for), they have a lot of relevance to the target demographic for Cold Steel's customer base.

There's no doubt about that. Those pre-pubescent boys who regularly visit malls and dream of being ninjas have some serious money to spend . . . or at least their mommies do.

 

[bhyde]

Actually, I'm drawing on experience and knowledge of applied physics. Again, it will not always fail and careful use can mitigate the risk, but other designs simply don't have that risk.

Oh..Me too! I also draw on experience and applied physics! What a coincidence!

Question; Chris has made this design over 25yrs..How many lockbar failures have you heard of when the tool was being used as designed?

 

[evilgreg]

There's no doubt about that. Those pre-pubescent boys who regularly visit malls and dream of being ninjas have some serious money to spend . . . or at least their mommies do.

If this wasn't true Strider would go out of business pretty quickly.

 

[Lycosa]

There's the question.^ Post #185.
rolf

 

[bld522]

If this wasn't true Strider would go out of business pretty quickly.

Ouch!!!

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Oh..Me too! I also draw on experience and applied physics! What a coincidence!

Question; Chris has made this design over 25yrs..How many lockbar failures have you heard of when the tool was being used as designed?

Are there hard numbers available on the number of failures from usage as I described? If so, I'd love to see them. Also, used as designed is meaningless word play. If I did provide examples it provides an easy dodge. For what it's worth, I have had a framelock unlock under exactly the circumstances described. I honestly can't call it a failure, because I was using almost the exact motion one would use to unlock the knife and the knife certainly didn't break, it unlocked. After that, I stopped using any framelock to whittle. The more I thought about the more it occurred to me that I was avoiding a task to compensate for a design choice on the part of the maker. I did not have such concerns about the vast majority of lock designs, so some time after that I stopped carrying framelocks altogether.

 

[Kwon Kwang]

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There's no doubt about that. Those pre-pubescent boys who regularly visit malls and dream of being ninjas have some serious money to spend . . . or at least their mommies do.

Being inane isn't helping your argument. If anything, it makes you sound privileged and spoiled, because it shows you don't understand what I was referring to: emergency situations in which a LE/military/MA user may have to deal with an unexpected impact on the knife or put their knife into a role beyond which it was designed for.

 

[Lycosa]

I bet my new Banjo Neal Mud Snapper wud pass that test.

 

[bhyde]

Are there hard numbers available on the number of failures from usage as I described? If so, I'd love to see them. Also, used as designed is meaningless word play. If I did provide examples it provides an easy dodge. For what it's worth, I have had a framelock unlock under exactly the circumstances described. I honestly can't call it a failure, because I was using almost the exact motion one would use to unlock the knife and the knife certainly didn't break, it unlocked. After that, I stopped using any framelock to whittle. The more I thought about the more it occurred to me that I was avoiding a task to compensate for a design choice on the part of the maker. I did not have such concerns about the vast majority of lock designs, so some time after that I stopped carrying framelocks altogether.

I asked the question and you are avoiding answering..CRK could probably tell us, but I doubt they would.

"As designed" isn't meaningless wordplay,..It's a functional design term..I use it at work as do many of the engineers I work with.
I consider "as designed" to mean that it's a cutting tool, with force applied in the direction that makes sense to cut

For your choice in whittling tools, what you use probably makes sense..It's functional for you..but to say that a Sebenza would fail because of your experience with another framelock is pretty silly.
It's simply your choice..Nothing more or nothing less,..It still doesn't mean anything when it comes to calling any CRK unsafe as that is a factor of the user as much as the maker/manufacturer.

For what it's worth, a knife, by definition..isn't safe. Place one in the hands of someone who loses respect for it, and they will get hurt.

 

[Ccc]

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Being inane isn't helping your argument. If anything, it makes you sound privileged and spoiled, because it shows you don't understand what I was referring to: emergency situations in which a LE/military/MA user may have to deal with an unexpected impact on the knife or put their knife into a role beyond which it was designed for.

The thing is, this claim is often used to try and entice non "target demographic" purchasers (that is, young boys with testosterone fueled dreams of glory). So who is the real target-demographic in this case? I would argue it is those purchasers who aspire to be like the tough guys they see in their ads.

Knives that are made out to be super-ultra-high-speed-low-drag are unnecessary. People in these jobs are supplied with what they need.

I am not saying that this is what Cold Steel is, I think they make a good product, but I am saying that they don't need to be defended on behalf of public servants who use tough tools.

 

[donderom]

...Chris has made this design over 25yrs..

Just 25 years? Pfff... Wooden stick is like what? 25 million years design? And it still breaks when I least expect it to.
But seriously I'd be interested in not applying force in the cutting direction (which any knife can do, why bother with framelocks after all?) but thrusting it in the stump for example. Usually I don't do this without any kind of protection like gloves not because of using my brain but rather I'm some day it will fail.

 

[bld522]

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Being inane isn't helping your argument. If anything, it makes you sound privileged and spoiled, because it shows you don't understand what I was referring to: emergency situations in which a LE/military/MA user may have to deal with an unexpected impact on the knife or put their knife into a role beyond which it was designed for.

If that ever happens, I hope to hell they're carrying a Busse!

 

[bhyde]

Just 25 years? Pfff... Wooden stick is like what? 25 million years design? And it still breaks when I least expect it to.
But seriously I'd be interested in not applying force in the cutting direction (which any knife can do, why bother with framelocks after all?) but thrusting it in the stump for example. Usually I don't do this without any kind of protection like gloves not because of using my brain but rather I'm some day it will fail.

That is a valid point..you could cause a framelock to fail that way. I have done it and mine haven't failed..but that doesn't mean it will never fail either.

 

[SALTY]

Oh..Me too! I also draw on experience and applied physics! What a coincidence!

Question; Chris has made this design over 25yrs..How many lockbar failures have you heard of when the tool was being used as designed?

Disclosure: I am a happy owner of several CS products to include a gaggle of AUS-8 Voyagers in different sizes and iterations.

I am a fan of Rolex watches. I have one particular watch, a 20+ year old GMT Master II (ref. 16710), that has been with me through thick and thin ... seriously more than one death defying ordeal - but that sucker keeps on ticking and smiles back at me every time I look at it. It's my go-to beater that goes hunting, fishing, diving and whatever else I dare my body and it to endure. Now, if I took that beloved old watch and used it to bang nails with or use as a jack plate while Jeeping ... I'll betcha that I might be disappointed in it and have it suffer a failure. So, I'll just keep using it as a rugged reliable watch (sufficiently water, dust and shock resistant for my applications) that provides me with a sense of quality, confidence as well as being an inanimate object that I feel connected with in a positive way. Not surprisingly, I wear that watch while carrying a Sebenza 25 after foolishly selling off my pre-Idaho regular Sebenza.

 

[RicFlair]

SALTY?? As in Saltytri??? :surprise:

 

[Lycosa]

I hope Jerry Busse doesn't read this thread. He will NEVER make a Busse folder!!!

 

[115Italian]

Wouldn't it be funny if Chris Reeve responded with a fit and finish and cutting test?

That's what bothers me the most, can you really compare knives this way? My code 4 is a good knife but not a sebenza. I thought knives were to cut not hold weight but maybe I'm using them wrong.