sebenza's being outmatched for the value

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Gator97 said:
Strange question, It was done on purpose because at a time it seemed to be a correct solution, turned out to be wrong and it was resolved. Never happened to you? You always get everything right and never go back fixing/revisiting things?
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I never stated I get everything right the first time out.
But, if this was truly the case, why wasn't it addressed on the 2nd or 3rd generation knives?
 
Glad to get a rise out of the Sebenza fans, did't take much. I knew I would get you guys at least a little worked up so you could convince me that when I do get a Sebenza it will be worth the money. Anger brings honsesty, and I am definetly getting convinced, I would not have started this Post in the Chris Reeve Forum to try not to get into a good 2 way argument about 2 proven knives. Still love my xm though.
 
Gator97 said:
Uhmm, one more Sebenza vs. anything thread, always fun :) Sadly, never owned XM folder, cant' comment on that.

However, Sebenza, especially in its current incarnation, S30V or S35VN on softish side is hardly a standard for folders either. Sure, build precision is impressive, but at that price I want more than just precisely fit parts. Specifically, good cutting performance and edge holding which is better than average. In other words, price/performance ratio on Sebenza is pretty bad.
15 per side edge is not exactly the best cutting performance edge, it looks good only compared to thick factory edges, and grinding thinner edge than that on 58-59HEC steel isn't gonna hold very long.
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Very true, I've always felt that CRK could have branched out to other steels, perhaps CPM-154 at Rc 61-62, while keeping runs in S30V in production. Just to give customers more options. Steel mixup should be no problem if the steel used is engraved on the inside of the titanium handles like the year of birth is right now. I don't think a 15 degree per side edge inherently bad given that my Phil Wilson South Fork outslices all my knives at that angle. It's more the material behind the edge and up to the spine, and I feel the high hollow grind accomplishes that about the same as a full flat grind.
 
I'm a machinest, and our shop has all military defense contracts, parts for Nasa, and Submarine parts for Rolls Royce, etc.
 
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Hinderers are amazing knives for what they are but as far as an all around edc blade Sebenzas are hard to beat. Some things I want in an edc blade are ease of carry, a slim enough blade that slices exceptionally well but also offers strength, low maintenance, easy breakdown to clean, and a great warranty.
And as far as prices and availability go you can almost always find a plain Sebenza on the exchange for a lot less than retail. Not so with Hinderers. Secondary prices, which for 90% of us us the only way to obtain one, are at an all time high with gen 3's getting around $670-700 and gen 4's even more.
 
I pretty convinced I want to get a Sebenza now, That much money is a lot to spend to find out how good a knife is. I had no choice but to buy the hinderer because I found it for Rick Hinderers price and that is a win win situation with no risk, but I have no plans in selling it. I can take the risk and afford to buy any 100.00 knife and find out if I like it or not, but as far as the sebenza price point, I couldn't see a reason to buy a knife that didn't seem to have anything extra put into it like the xm-18 I have, which I know I can sell anytime and get more than my money back. Thank you for the input and calling me a Troll.
 
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Jonsa said:
I pretty convinced I want to get a Sebenza now, That much money is a lot to spend to find out how good a knife is. I had no choice but to buy the hinderer because I found it for Rick Hinderers price and that is a win win situation with no risk, but I have no plans in selling it. I can take the risk and afford to buy any 100.00 knife and find out if I like it or not, but as far as the sebenza price point, I could see a reason to buy a knife that didn't seem to have anything extra put into it like the xm-18 I have, which I know I can sell anytime and get more than my money back.

Thank you for the input and calling me a Troll.
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If you're happy with the XM then its all good. Its a great hard use knife.
If you do ever get a chance to handle and take apart a Sebenza, jump on the chance since you manufactor quality products.
They win the manufactors quality award at Blade every year, and I think you would appreciate there tight tolerance levels.
 
I think Sebenzas are nice but everytime I get one I think "dang I could have put that $$ on a Hinderer," and sell it. That's just me. If I get another one and I doubt that, it would be a user micarta inlay with no blade scratches and have it sent directly to CRK for a spa treament.

I respect every member's right to buy and enjoy and post what they dig in terms of knives. What ticks me off is blind & stupid loyalty to a knife for no good reason than a myth or because the owner needs to feel that his knife is better than mine or other brands. This is an exciting time to be a collector. I wish I was younger there's so many knives I'd love to own but I know I'd never get too use them all.

Jonsa said:
Glad to get a rise out of the Sebenza fans, did't take much. I knew I would get you guys at least a little worked up so you could convince me that when I do get a Sebenza it will be worth the money. Anger brings honsesty, and I am definetly getting convinced, I would not have started this Post in the Chris Reeve Forum to try not to get into a good 2 way argument about 2 proven knives. Still love my xm though.
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If you didn't love Hinderers I'd say you were really twisted. I'll forewarn you, you'll be underwhelmed with the Sebbie on first take - but give it time - they're really good knives. I only sold mine because (brutal honesty coming) I can't stomach CR's B.S. and lack of communiction with his customer base. He's floating around somewhere above Mt. Olympus. Hell they talk about Strider - this guy (CR) is unreal.
 
Buck_110 said:
I never stated I get everything right the first time out.
But, if this was truly the case, why wasn't it addressed on the 2nd or 3rd generation knives?
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No idea, but again, who says issues always show up in 2nd gen or get fixed in 2nd gen?
 
This is probably a very accurate comment actually ;) I had to chuckle while agreeing that there is some validity to this based on the cost to function ratio :thumbup:

timberweasel said:
My Ontario RAT-1 is a better ‘value’ than either… :p
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Noctis3880 said:
I don't think a 15 degree per side edge inherently bad given that my Phil Wilson South Fork outslices all my knives at that angle. It's more the material behind the edge and up to the spine, and I feel the high hollow grind accomplishes that about the same as a full flat grind.
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I don't think 15 is a bad angle, after all, angles depend on HT, alloy, and few other factors, but there are plenty of light cutting type works where knife would benefit from lower angles w/o any compromises in performance. It's a good utility edge. 15 per side was enough to prevent chipping/rolling on 64HRC CPM 10V blade while scrapping old paint from the deck. If the knife is designed for easier cutting, why use thicker than necessary edge, if I can get away with 5 per side I will. Thiner edges are easier to restore, easier to use, cut better, I get less fatigued, etc...
Sebenze doesn't come on top neither in cutting performance, nor in edge holding, and for 400$ price tag, just build precision isn't enough to claim best folder title and start going about mythical properties and achieving the level or enlightenment to understand it.
 
At first I was shocked when I saw this thread was still here. But you're right mods, let's let this stand as an example of what not to do when posting to BF.
 
cziv said:
If you didn't love Hinderers I'd say you were really twisted. I'll forewarn you, you'll bunderwhelmed with the Sebbie on first take - but give it time - they're really good knives. I only sold mine because (brutal honesty coming) I can't stomach CR's B.S. and lack of communiction with his customer base. He's floating around somewhere above Mt. Olympus. Hell they talk about Strider - this guy (CR) is unreal.
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Next time you shoukd speak with Heather, Jesse, or Anne which are probably the nicest people you would ever deal with. Chris takes great pride in his work and strives to make the best product he can. Im not sure how much you can fault the man for not being a people person.
 
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allyourblood said:
At first I was shocked when I saw this thread was still here. But you're right mods, let's let this stand as an example of what not to do when posting to BF.
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Thanks! You got it. :)

... I won't say people here are embarrassing themselves ...​
 
Thought the point of a forum is discussion, not just reading reviews or watching youtube videos. Without this forum and post I would just keep thinking the sebenza is just the perfect grail knife and no one would listen to anything different. I started this post from the knowlege I gathered on this knife, and though most people just wanted to complain about the post, I did get a lot of knowlege from those who wanted to talk knives and defend their product, which convinced me that the sebenza is a great knife which I will soon have in my hands in the coming months. Its the people that want to get on rants back and forth off the knife topic that gets no one anywhere but on that banwagen. I want to thank the people who stayed on the topic of what this forum is about KNIVES, and gave me what I needed to hear, which is people standing by the sebenza and saying weather pleasant ornot how they fealt about this knife. If you don't like a post move on to another one. I am not going to kiss a## just because certain knife makers might be reading a post and complain to make themselves look better. Again thanks all of you who wanted to talk about these knives and not ego.
 
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