Security in the timber

Cpl Punishment said:
Also being a FL dweller, I pack a rifle most of the time, as stated earlier.

Why?

I have run across some scummy looking people who took quite a bit of interest in where my rifle was pointed.

I don't worry about concealment because I don't have to while "actively hunting or fishing". If I am in the woods, I am actively hunting hogs. I also don't give a damn if sheeple or otehr hikers don't like the fact that I'm armed. If it makes your pants wet, stay away from me.
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This is another ongoing debate about carrying in the woods: Concealed or not?

A case can be made for either view.

Exposed Pro: you can access it quickly and would-be thugs will steer clear of you, as you're clearly a badass!

Exposed Con: The gun is unprotected from the elements, dirt and damage. Badguys may just let you pass by then bash your head in from behind with a rock, or just shoot you in the back if already armed.

Concealed Con: The gun takes longer to access. You might carry a smaller gun if you have to hide it.

Concealed Pro: The gun is better protected from damage/dirt. The badguy may think you're an easy mark and be stupid. The element of surprise will quickly bounce back to YOU when you turn the tables on the badguy.

Interestingly, Michael Platt and William Matix, the two killers in the famous FBI shootout in 1986, often used stolen cars for their getaway vehicles. In two instances the automobiles had belonged to young men who were gunned down while target shooting in an abandoned quarry in Florida.

NEVER shoot until you're empty. ALWAYS have one more gun they can't see.

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LeeCQC said:
I agree. The only time I'll really carry a pistol when I'm outdoors is when I ride 4 wheelers on some of the trails around here, and then it's just a NAA mini in .22mag. I only do this because I have, on occasion, run across some pretty rough characters parked in the middle of the trail drinking. I've never had any trouble out of any of them, but when it's 5 to 1... better safe than sorry. But, that's not really the same as being out hiking or something.
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So what's the mini mag for?
Suicide?:D

Just joshing.
Seriously I'd reconsider my choice in weapons if I were you.
I'd say a Kahr PM9 the smallest lightest reasonable weapon that would give you a chance against 5 guys.
A Glock 23 or similar would be better.
 
InfidelShootist said:
So what's the mini mag for?
Suicide?:D

Just joshing.
Seriously I'd reconsider my choice in weapons if I were you.
I'd say a Kahr PM9 the smallest lightest reasonable weapon that would give you a chance against 5 guys.
A Glock 23 or similar would be better.
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Suicide... :D That was a good one!!!

Here is the pic of the aforementioned PM9. It weighs almost nothing and is tiny... yet... with the right ammo very potent. Very, very concealable under nothing more than a t-shirt.

(shown with nekkid Busse SAR5 for reference...;))

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BODHI - "To carry a gun when hiking, how many people have actually been attacked when hiking."
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Bodhi, it is not a matter of being attacked, it is a matter of preventing an attack, should that situation arise.

I've not been "attacked" out in the boonies, although twice, my firearm has prevented an attack, both times in Calif., when I lived there.

As I've said before, the firearm to me is insurance. Odds are, I won't need it... but if I suddenly do (again), I no longer am part of the odds, I am then, part of the statistics. :(

I'll stick with my insurance. :thumbup:

L.W.
 
Not many of us have "needed" a weapon while hiking or camping, but we have to get there and back as well. The fact that some of us carry, some concealed, gives the bad guys pause about rousting just anyone they may choose to molest.

Once there, I sometimes switch to snake shot- over 25 years or so, it's saved me a certain snake bite twice when not wearing snake boots. And no, in those two instances I could not have just retreated as I have in many other rattler encounters. :)Regards, ss.
 
P.S. Things might be looking up for us in California as well as other areas of the country, after the recent Supreme Court ruling!!!! I almost forgot about it. We just might have some hope after all.
 
hey DOC, what they dont know they cant enforce......in other words, how many times have you been asked for ID and searched in the woods by the gubmint thugs? exactly......
 
David E said:
This is a topic I've given much thought to.

I've concluded several things:

1) Some people in the woods are there to avoid the law! Illegal pot growers in the woods are on the rise.
2) There is no 911 in the woods.
3) There is no ammo resupply in the woods.
4) There are mulitple possible threats in the woods.
5) Some threats are larger than others.
6) The gun/ammo selected should be able to hit and neutralize any size threat.
7) Sheeple will be offended if they see your gun(s) or knife (knives)
8) Concealed carry should be possible with gun(s) selected.
9) Gun should be capable of being comfortably carried on the body, not in the pack.
10) The person should be proficient with the gun chosen. IE; be able to hit a sheet of paper at 25 yds.
11) Gun should be able to be seriously abused afield, and be easy to maintain if needed.

There are more conclusions, but these are the main ones.




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well said! here in BC there are METH labs/camps and major grow ops in the woods. persons entering those areas unknowingly may be killed and never found. The people that run these outfits do not ask questions, they protect their drug making camps from ANYONE.

I have hiked about 300km from the biggest city (vancouver), gone down a 50km logging road, gone up and down old spur roads, and finally hiked down goat trials, and STILL have run into old meth labs, grow ops or STILL ACTIVE labs and grow ops. never saw anyone but who knows if i had a rifle trained on me. Booytraps are common.
 
David E said:
This is another ongoing debate about carrying in the woods: Concealed or not?

A case can be made for either view.
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I DO have a G21 concealed.

It's hard to conceal a Mosin Nagant.

When you're carrying a 4 foot long rifle that looks like a muzzleloader to most because of the cleaning rod slung under the barrel, and are trudging about with Carhartts and a canvas backpack, even meth heads and pot growers buy the story that you're out hunting hogs.

In any case, they seem to think more about letting you go if you're armed, than if not. There's times that I've been challenged by some scummy looking fellow about what I was doing there. Putting on my best "unawares friendly woods bum" look, I start talking about hunting. Acting as if I presumed that's what he was doing and if he'd seen anything. I'm quite certain I had guns trained on me. How did I determine that? Guy in the middle of the woods with NO gear, steps out in front of an armed man to ask why he's there? Also the fact that it's strongly hinted that there's to be a family reunion or something going to take place in a few hours and they'd really appreciate me not crashing it. Along with some nice friendly directions on how to avoid the "gathering". I can take a hint.
 
It's all about preparedness. Carry a firearm (if allowed) is no different then carrying other "survival" gear in to timber. My favorite saying, "better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it" says it all. Items carried, whether you need them or not is a personal choice. Just likes blades.
Scott
 
Bushman5 said:
I hike naked with a gunbelt holding a Khukuri. I dont have problems with people anymore.
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My buddy was mountain biking in the WVA woods with some friends. They're all psycho about obstacles so they space out hundreds of yards apart so if one goes down he has time to get back up before the next guy comes barreling through.
So they stop at a water hole and the first of the bikers says "did you see that naked guy walking on the trail?". And the second guy: "no, but I did see a guy hiking in his underwear". And the third just saw a guy hiking in his pants. And the last saw a fully clothed hiker.
 
bladerunner67 said:
Sorry, don't have any pics but when I go out in the "woods" or concrete "jungle" I like to carry either my Springfield 1911 or Colt Delta Elite 10mm. I know: 10mm? I bought it back in the 80's and just can't part with it. My fix blade choice is either my Randall #1 7inch stage with finger grooves, Randall #5-6 or Randall #12-6. And for folders I like my Strider RC, AR and GB. I don't care if I can't lawfully carry in Kaliforina, better safe than dead!
Bladerunner67
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I just got one of the old FBI issued stainless S&W 10mm for woods carry. Loaded up with hard cast bullets it will even deal with deal with what passes for bear out here in the east.
It's replacing my sig in .45ACP. I sweat a whole lot in the heat. I got back from a grueling 10.5mi one-day climb on the Appalachian Trail once with the sig and it had a light sprinkling of rust.

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Cpl Punishment said:
I DO have a G21 concealed.

It's hard to conceal a Mosin Nagant.
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Yes, it's hard to conceal one of those!

But you're doing exactly what I'd recommend and that's having "one more gun than they can see." Wise move.

I'm quite certain I had guns trained on me. How did I determine that? Guy in the middle of the woods with NO gear, steps out in front of an armed man to ask why he's there? Also the fact that it's strongly hinted that there's to be a family reunion or something going to take place in a few hours and they'd really appreciate me not crashing it. Along with some nice friendly directions on how to avoid the "gathering". I can take a hint.
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Ever go back to the same area at a later date? If so, was anything different?

Best way to "win" a gunfight, "male dominance contests" be damned, is to NOT BE THERE !

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There are some very good points made by all on here.

I have always found it funny that guys like us (knife lovers) who generally pride ourselves on our outdoors skills and quality gear, will carry an assortment of gear into the field. Just look at some of the posts in this forum for examples. We have our PSK's, small fishing kits, firesteels, cordage, and I even remember a post about which trowel is the 'one' to own (still don't understand why anyone needs a little trowel in the woods). All of us carry at least two knives!

My point is... we spend all our time and money to be UBER-prepared for any contingency, but some folks just fail to see the need for a firearm.

The argument seems to be 'well... I've been doing this a long time and never had a problem'. To that argument I say this: When is the last time you used your emergency fishing kit... what about that nifty little trowel? or, a space blanket? I very rarely use ALL my gear when I go camping or hiking. Nevertheless, I endeavor to be prepared for any contingency. To me, going in the woods without a firearm is backwoods malpractice.

Bottom line, if you do not have one... you are not prepared.

For those of you whose government has made you prey... I can only say that I feel sorry for you and wish you the best of luck. I suggest perhaps developing mad ninja skills and arming yourself with throwing stars...;):D
 
Here's what I take when I venture out... It rode on my hip last year for my 12 day backpacking hunt in Alaska's North Slope. .44 Mag S&W in a simply rugged holster. :thumbup:

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kdstrick said:
For those of you whose government has made you prey... I can only say that I feel sorry for you and wish you the best of luck. I suggest perhaps developing mad ninja skills and arming yourself with throwing stars...;):D
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Unfortunately even throwing stars are illegal.:jerkit: So you better have mad, bear handed ninja skillz.
Basically, anything that can be used as a weapon is illegal. You can carry a knife though without problem, if it is exposed.
 
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