Security in the timber

It's nice to see that unlike Canada, France, Spain and most of the rest of the world I assume, we Americans still have a choice to carry a pistol, rifle or knife, or nothing at all. I like to carry a 22 pistol in the woods because I like to shoot it, not because I think I need it. I could carry my Colt Delta Elite in 10mm mag, which shoots very well.
 
Reminds me of that Far Side cartoon with the "Dobie-o-matic".

Brazil is no dice for woods carry as well unless you're so far out there as to make it insane not to. Basically if the police need to hire a guide and reach you by boat just about anything is "legal". Mac
 
pict said:
That's just the metric designation for .45 ACP. These are liscenced copies of the Colt 1911A1, the parts are interchangable. Not bad for $265 as a surprise gift from my wife. Mac
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It's sure a cool gun...I have just never seen one (even from a metric country - like mine for instance!) do the math and convert it to millimeters!

In fact I never knew there was such a thing as a metric designation for the .45 ACP...cartridge nomenclature is so quirky and random I never guessed anyone would do a metric designation for an imperial standard cartridge.

After all you just don't see .313 x 2.09" Mausers made in the US or anything!
 
LeeCQC said:
I agree. The only time I'll really carry a pistol when I'm outdoors is when I ride 4 wheelers on some of the trails around here, and then it's just a NAA mini in .22mag. I only do this because I have run across some pretty rough characters parked in the middle of the trail drinking. I've never had any trouble out of any of them, but when it's 5 to 1... better safe than sorry. But, that's not really the same as being out hiking or something.
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With all due respect, you're not really armed, especially for the situation that you describe.

If you carried for signaling, it would make more sense, but not for deep trail defense.

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Looks like the whole tactical forum is here. Can't get our of bed without a weapon.

To carry a gun when hiking, how many people have actually been attacked when hiking. In most cases you are happy to see somebody else. No offense but I find this overkill.

And I live in a country that has a violent crime rate which is about 10x the one from the US. I sleep with a gun under my pillow but when I hike I never meet anybody, it is in towns and surroundings where it may or may not become dangerous. No, I don't carry a gun when I hike, never felt the need for it.

Although I'm a Glock kinda guy, please keep the pics of the Springfield coming. Beautiful gun, should put it on my purchase list.
 
This is a topic I've given much thought to.

I've concluded several things:

1) Some people in the woods are there to avoid the law! Illegal pot growers in the woods are on the rise.
2) There is no 911 in the woods.
3) There is no ammo resupply in the woods.
4) There are mulitple possible threats in the woods.
5) Some threats are larger than others.
6) The gun/ammo selected should be able to hit and neutralize any size threat.
7) Sheeple will be offended if they see your gun(s) or knife (knives)
8) Concealed carry should be possible with gun(s) selected.
9) Gun should be capable of being comfortably carried on the body, not in the pack.
10) The person should be proficient with the gun chosen. IE; be able to hit a sheet of paper at 25 yds.
11) Gun should be able to be seriously abused afield, and be easy to maintain if needed.

There are more conclusions, but these are the main ones.

The gun I selected after all was said and done was a Glock Model 20 chambered in 10mm. I reload, so my 10mm ammo is full power, unlike most of the stuff on store shelves.

I can conceal it in a KyTac (www.kytac.com) holster, and it holds 15+1 Add 2 spare mags for another 30 shots and I have 46 shots in an easy to carry format. It is certainly powerful enough for people, dogs, rabid skunks and even the black bear that are in the woods I frequent.

If I were to run into the five drunks mentioned in a previous post and they wanted to do me harm, I'd be able to fight them off. How anyone would expect to do that with only 5 rds is beyond me.

My G-20 has the rail, so at night, I can affix my flashlight/laser onto it for night time ID and shooting.

The gun is durable. Drop any revolver on the rocks, you might just bend the crane enough to prevent function. If it then tumbles into the mud, it's going to be real gritty until you get it home or to a 'smith. The Glock, just swish it around in the stream and you're good to go.

Other situations allow for a different gun choice, but for an "all around, come-what-may" woods gun, the G-20 fills the bill for me.

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bodhi_ said:
In most cases you are happy to see somebody else.
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Quite the opposite here bro. I prefer not to see a soul when Im off the beaten path. If I see someone, I am not far enough out!

I have never had a problem on the trail, but I prefer to have protection and not need it, then need it and not have it. Lots of people go to bed everynight and nothing happens, but that doesnt mean it wont happen. So should we just not carry b/c we have never had any trouble????????
 
"Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it".....I have run into very few folks but more so pot fields ETC....and you never know what can happen at that point.....
 
bodhi_ said:
Looks like the whole tactical forum is here. Can't get our of bed without a weapon.

To carry a gun when hiking, how many people have actually been attacked when hiking. In most cases you are happy to see somebody else. No offense but I find this overkill.

And I live in a country that has a violent crime rate which is about 10x the one from the US. I sleep with a gun under my pillow but when I hike I never meet anybody, it is in towns and surroundings where it may or may not become dangerous. No, I don't carry a gun when I hike, never felt the need for it.

Although I'm a Glock kinda guy, please keep the pics of the Springfield coming. Beautiful gun, should put it on my purchase list.
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I don't carry for defense against people (or anything else for that matter) but one thing I can tell you: I am almost never happy to see someone else!

It means I haven't gone far enough yet!

Half the reason I go is in the hopes of not seeing any other people for the duration of the trip!

I do agree, though, that some people are a little paranoid about the level of threat they are facing. Still, I don't experience any negative effect from them carrying guns, so I am perfectly happy to have them do it!
 
Bodhi: Perhaps I'm missing something. I should wait until I've been attacked/accosted/maimed before deciding to carry a firearm on the trail?

A person doesn't need a reason other than 'I felt like it', but my personal reasons are quite simple and mentioned elsewhere. Your safety is your own responsibility, everywhere but especially in the woods. No one else is around if you need help, and some ne'er-do-wells enjoy that fact.

I've had my close calls, but I wouldn't need even those experiences to understand that my life is worth the weight of a few extra ounces on my belt or in my pack.

What business is it of yours what the guy next to you does anyway? If you don't want to carry, you don't.

(And as the others have said, if I see someone else then I'm not in deep enough yet.)
 
Not to get off on too much of a side rant here, but the question of carrying a gun at all let alone in the wild wouldn't have been an issue in our not too distant past. I am wildly jealous of folks in AZ, TX etc. where you can obtain a permit.

Now we are graciously "allowed" to attach a silly bear bell on our packs and carry an oversized pepper spray can that may or may not just piss off a large predator.

Living in the most populated county in all of the US, which has a worse than national average on violent crimes, and not being able to get a legal permit to carry a firearm is laughable to say the least. But I digress...

I carry where legal, a right that could be snatched away at any time.
 
Well,I'm in Florida,so when I'm packing my Sp101 it's with hard cast loads with a healthy dose of powder behind them. Not really a super-duper tactical gun, but it packs a good punch if I need it. I always hoped that were I charged by a feral hog,or grabbed by a gator I might be able to put a slug into 'em and escape with my life,if not limbs. It will likely give good service against crack-head zombies and meth-heads as well. As the economy worsens we're starting to notice a rising crime rate.
 
Also being a FL dweller, I pack a rifle most of the time, as stated earlier.

Why?

Because I can run into a hog (and it's legal to take them year 'round except in wildlife management areas), and take it, I may have to defend against gators, and I have run across some scummy looking people who took quite a bit of interest in where my rifle was pointed.

I don't worry about concealment because I don't have to while "actively hunting or fishing". If I am in the woods, I am actively hunting hogs. I also don't give a damn if sheeple or otehr hikers don't like the fact that I'm armed. If it makes your pants wet, stay away from me.
 
Alot of good looking handguns posted. From Sept to Jan. I've some sort of firearm or my crossbow in my truck 24-7. Living in the sticks has it's advantages.
Scott
 
My woods duo,

Springfield Champion
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Gossman PSK
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And if the Springfield is out of service, its my Colt, reworked by Wilson Combat and my Bravo 1

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