self-defense folder?

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singularity35 said:
Why does this happen in every knife for SD thread?/QUOTE]

interestingly i can confirm this observation, it's a regular phenomena in a KNIFE as SD thread, talking about firearms must be hard wired into our human brains.

i disagree with the size factor, and strongly so.

size won't trump a stout, waved, grippily handled [G-10, or micarta] spear / tanto point folder of even modest size [optimally around a 3 1/2" - 4" blade length] with a wicked edge [+/- 10* incl.]. :)
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myfilthyheart said:
i realize this is a touchy subject... and i also fully comprehend that knives arent exactly the best self-defense weapons... but this is a topic that has always interested me on some level. hypothetically speaking, if you ever needed to employ a folder in a self-defense scenerio, which folder would you choose, and why?
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I'd choose a Glock 21.:thumbup:
 
Sep said:
All fair points, but for the purpose of killing. In combat the objective is to neutralize your enemy in the fastest manner possible so he doesn't have enough time and energy to hurt you. Not all of these principles apply in civilian self defense scenario, where the primary purpose is to break his will to fight so you can get away. Any killing is supposed to be accidental.

If you have to resort to knife in combat, you keep cutting the guy until he is fully neutralized as a threat (read: dead). If you do that in the civilian world, you're going to jail.
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In America, killing in self defense is still legal if you can prove your case. However you will be arrested when it happens.
 
cutter17 said:
Zeke, it sounds to me like Ankerson is stating facts more than stating ideas and making them fit his scenario. Now I know that everything Ankerson has said in that particular post is probably not an empirical fact, but I've heard some of the same things said by people other than Ankerson. I also think it is very difficult to keep from getting some crossover in any "Knife for SD" post. It may not be a bad thing though because it can generate more options when you begin to include some of it into the original topic. But I can understand the degree of frustration that comes with such crossover.

So in essence I guess I've really added nothing here but to take up some space and another post to my post count!:D Although for the sake of the OP I will add that I would have to say that the particular knife I had on me, my normal edc, would be the knife that I would use. In this case it is a custom Mike Irie Tactical Model 11 with a 4.0" blade, but I would surely HATE to end up losing it to the police!!:(:( Guess if that was the choice I night just get my fat ass in gear and run for the hills!!:D:D
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Dude, your post cracked me up. :thumbup:
 
RevDevil said:
I'd choose a Glock 21.:thumbup:
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This still going on?

If anyone does want to carry a folding knife for the express purpose of "self defense", they should buy a Smith and Wesson brand for $10-15, carry at all times but never use so it remains sharp. That's it.

You don't need special steels, super optimized geometries, doo-dads or other junk if all you're going to do is stab & rip. When done, drop the knife since you don't want to get shot when the police arrive. It's going to be a "one time" blade anyway since the police will confiscate the knife and arrest you until they sort everything out. Even if you skate, don't count on seeing that knife again.

So why does anyone need an expensive blade for SD?
 
CWL said:
So why does anyone need an expensive blade for SD?
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Because they can?

And you probably won't use it a lot so if you carry it for 2-3 years before using it and it gets confiscated, then it will have paid for itself in personal satisfaction.


I guess it's the same thing as wanting a sebenza when an opinel will do. That's probably because we are knife nuts.
 
What I WOULD use, would be my 4 inch synthetic handled mora. If I had to choose a knife it would be the blackjack 1-7.
 
What is all of the confiscation talk about anyway?

I've been attacked 3 times by person/s with a knife and there was never any police or confiscation of the knife.

I've seen people get shanked in bathrooms in Mexico and rear parking lots outside of clubs in San Diego - never police or confiscation.
 
CWL said:
If anyone does want to carry a folding knife for the express purpose of "self defense", they should buy a Smith and Wesson brand for $10-15, carry at all times but never use so it remains sharp. That's it.

So why does anyone need an expensive blade for SD?
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"Expensive" usually means quality and dependability. I wouldn't trust a $15 S&W folder or some no-name to do light daily tasks without the lock failing let alone using it to fend off an attacker. I'd rather carry something that I can depend on, even if it's expensive, even at the risk of losing it to the cops as evidence, because my life is worth more to me than my knife.
 
I like the Benchmade Vex. Here are factors I considered when I bought it...

1. Whatever you carry for defense should optimally be useful for other tasks too (picking out a sliver, slicing a tomato, opening a package).

2. Whatever you carry for defense should be trained with, preferably as part of a training routine (short durations daily seems better for me than long durations every week or so - your results may vary). I train with live blades but you can always buy a training folder if that's not your thing.

3. Whatever you carry for defense will end up in an evidence bag if you use it for defense. Be prepared to explain, in a court of law, why you have it and why you felt it was necessary to use it.

4. Know your local laws regarding (a) size, (b) opening mechanisms, and (c) concealed carry. Also know that the opinions of LEOs, judges, jury members, attorneys, etc will carry weight as well, so even if you're "legal" the court may still decide you were out of line.


For me, the best pick was something totally innocuous, cheap, yet sturdy enough to be used in regular daily life. There were way too many options so I picked one maker (Benchmade) and went for a cheap one with decent ergonomics.
 
singularity35 said:
I don't think "expensive" is a criteria. It's more a choice that people make because expensive usually equates to better quality than "cheap".
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My point, exactly.

Problem is, some people equate "expensive" with "quality" and while that may often be true, in the case of a SD folder it does not necessarily obtain.

That said, "cheap" folders might "work" but it seems to me that a quality built folder will do a very serviceable, consistent job.
 
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