Serious but small survival package!

[cgusek111]

First of all, Don, I'm just discussing the many aspects that hollow handles have in the knife world. I am in no way posted a thread to cause any argument. It's my opinion that the hollow handle is used as a marketing tool because of it's popularity in the Rambo series. You can make it one single piece of steel, but the one thing that goes through the minds of the majority of people who look at these knives is "RAMBO" and the marketers know this. I don't recall calling anyone a Rambo wannabe or bashing anyone who uses these hollow handle knives. What they use is their preference. But, it doesn't have to be my damn preference. I used to own a hollow handle. Sold it. Didn't suit me. By the way, I don't own any Busses. Another thing, you don't see me getting personal with these people who have discussed their views on why they use hollow handles. I have read every one of their post with interest. To be honest, I'd like to see pics of their knives. They probably won't convince me to get one, but it's still interesting to see. I'm also happy that they are happy with their hollows as I am happy with my Ontarios, SOGs and Bucks. Now, can we get back to the subject, AGAIN!

 

[GIBBY]

Forums can be an incredibly useful thing. I have totally given up on them being much more than entertainment stained with a bit of information swapping. I am sick to death of turds who constantly get a word like "RAMBO" in their craw and they beat the horse to DEATH. Fuckin' get over yourselves, get a life. Take your Busse and stick it up your ass. I mean, fuck, really. Yes, also, by all means, you little funky bitch, report this post. I have a book to write about all of this stuff and it's really getting old that the agenda trolls are not being taken to task...

Now, now, boys, Play Nice! That's it. I'm going to lock this thread. Oh wait,I can't, I don't have the power.

 

[Thomas Linton]

I have changed my views on the hollow handle, even the full tang ones. Personally, I think it's a fad,a hollywood marketing tool for people to make money. I would bet my money that Cold Steel and Reeves and all the others who made these hollow handles thought it would sell because of the Rambo era and they were right. Same with the Tom Brown Tracker our next generation Rambo knife.

Again, hollow-handled knives were made in large numbers by reputable makers like Randall, Reeve, and Hackman years before the first Rambo movie. Say the movies popularized Jimmie Lile's version thereof, and you have something. And yes, makers make knives hoping to make money.

 

[Don Rearic]

First of all, Don, I'm just discussing the many aspects that hollow handles have in the knife world.

I was not referring to you.

I am in no way posted a thread to cause any argument.

Again, I was not referring to you, the funky one knows who he is.

It's my opinion that the hollow handle is used as a marketing tool because of it's popularity in the Rambo series.

I don't believe that Timberline, Robert Parrish, Marto and Aitor of Spain and a plethora of other makers, mostly Custom Makers, were using it as a marketing tool.

The only "budget" knife company I remember that made relatively cheap hollow handle knives, and even more stuff than that, was "Lifeknife."

All of the Frost Cutlery and the rest of that crap was just that - CRAP, shit.

The Garcia and the knife that it copied that I cannot remember the name of at the moment were from the 1970s and I believe some of them were around during Vietnam which is pre-1975. The hollow handle design started out as a MATCHSAFE during or just before World War Two and all of this information is being overlooked because a couple of trolls with INFIASSITIS are running around being shitheads and no one is taking them to task.

The Aitors, Brewers, Lifeknifes, Garcias and there are some more (Kershaw made a honker as well!), and the customs, they have their place. The Randall M18 probably started the modern trend more than the Lile, although Lile along with First Blood sure did stoke the trend or rekindle it. Funny thing though, didn't Gil Hibben do the third knife where Rambutt was in Assramistan? WOW! Fixed Blades withOUT hollow handles are RAM-BUTT WANNABE KNIVES TOO, AIN'T THEY BILLYBOB?

What a waste of space some of you are.

You can make it one single piece of steel, but the one thing that goes through the minds of the majority of people who look at these knives is "RAMBO" and the marketers know this.

Yeah, the marketers of JUNK, you're leaving that out. Do you think a Randall 18 is a piece of shit or what?

I don't recall calling anyone a Rambo wannabe or bashing anyone who uses these hollow handle knives. What they use is their preference.

Again, I just posted after you. Perhaps you should go back and read the whole thread to see where it started out, eh?

But, it doesn't have to be my damn preference.

Correct!

I used to own a hollow handle. Sold it. Didn't suit me.

Good for you!

By the way, I don't own any Busses.

Well, since I was not speaking to you when I posted last, let me add this anyway - I'm glad you don't own any Busses because I think Jesus Christ cries when you own a Busse. :jerkit:

Another thing, you don't see me getting personal with these people who have discussed their views on why they use hollow handles.

I don't particularly care about who likes them and who does not like them. I care about how they post and how they shit on people. Referring to people or their gear as "Rambo wannabes" without taking into consideration their choice is every bit as flaming, derogatory and INSULTING as what I said in my last post.

Now, can we get back to the subject, AGAIN!

AGAIN INDEED! Do you control the v e r t i c a l as well as the h o r i z o n t a l ?

The only one who gives orders is boss, kemosabe. You ain't my boss.

 

[Don Rearic]

Again, hollow-handled knives were made in large numbers by reputable makers like Randall, Reeve, and Hackman years before the first Rambo movie.

HACKMAN, I believe that was the knife copied by Garcia of Brasil, IIRC. Thanks, I think...

 

[cgusek111]

Damn. How long did it take you to type all that? I have read the whole thread since it started and more than half of it was useless arguing that should have been settled elsewhere. All we need is another to come in and throw fuel on the fire. Who's the one holding the gas can? Something that may help you in the future, quote who your talking about, kemosabe. And, another thing, I never said Randall's, Reeve's or anything was a piece of shit. Did you read the whole thread?

 

[Don Rearic]

I type fast because I am skilled and not retarded. I type what I want as well, thanks for the concern.

 

[One more time]

Don, this is my Post #12 on the forum.

I have read a lot of your stuff on your site and enjoy your comments.

I don't have a dog in this fight but I do know Randall knives and as you posted, anyone who knows anything about knives knows Randall knives are not POS.

I had a job where I used a hammer a lot. If you take a Randall #18 knife handle and wrap it with a long leather lace with some surgical tape over the top of it it works pretty well in any weather and with great control unless you have very small hands. JMO

Thanks again Don for your posts over the years.

OMT

 

[Don Rearic]

You're welcome. In case you don't know, my point was not to call the Randall 18 a POS, I WANT ONE and said as much in another thread in this very forum today!

But I don't know where some people come from. I know that most people that bitch and moan about "Rambo Wannabes" usually back off when people ask them if they are talking about Randalls or Reeves because then people would know them for what they are, steeltards.

 

[mneedham]

I have an Aitor JKII that I have carried for a while. It is absolutely one of my favorite blades. You see a lot references to them on the forums and the comments are consistent, they are very durable and very usable. I think that the knocks on well-executed hollow-handled knives are one of the great myths of current knife culture. Roll pins have been holding mission and life critical equipment together for a long time....

 

[Thomas Linton]

Ancient history to the youth, but:

The original Hackman version was designed by a couple of guys named Warner (as in today's Black Jack etc) and Dickey. The maker was Hackman of Finalnd (maker of other knives that go for a bazzillion dollars these days). The blade ended in a 5/16" bolt for a stub tang. The quite sturdy tubular handle was attached with a honkin' big nut screwed to that stub tang. A guy named Moran ( as in Moran) bought some, gave them special sharpening, and a better sheath and sold them to his customers. Not a bad reference for the quality of the product, Moran bein' Moran.

The Garcia version was made in Brazil and was a pale imitation of the orginal -different SS and much thinner blade.

I got an original, mint, at a gun show. It was the only knife the vendor had on his table. He wanted to warn me - strongly - that it was not US-made. Well worth $20.00 in 1988, even if a "foreign devil." It came with the remains of a kit of survival gear made up for the knife (Only some fishing tackle was left.)

 

[Don Rearic]

I have an Aitor JKII that I have carried for a while. It is absolutely one of my favorite blades. You see a lot references to them on the forums and the comments are consistent, they are very durable and very usable.

I've cleaned small game and fish with them, I've made a lean-to with them. I've done just about everything while camping and hiking with a JKII that you would have to use it for in a survival situation. The only thing about it is you have to carry another sharpener with you because the one on the back of the sheath is quite rudimentary and a pain in the ass to be blunt about it...because the steel is quite a pain to sharpen...it's a tough one.

Point of this is, what do people expect of a knife? Are they like that bug-eyed, runaway bride - eyed flake that had to damn near chew his own arm off to get it from under a rock and they fantasize about prying a rock off of their hand or something?

If you have a knife that can clean fish and small game, perhaps larger game, and it can hack through small branches and whatnot, guess what? Congratulations! You have a survival knife. People are trying to accuse others of being idiots who have violent fantasies when the case could be made that it is they who are fantasizing about something that will never happen.

I think that the knocks on well-executed hollow-handled knives are one of the great myths of current knife culture.

You keep talking like that and you won't be invited to bob for apples at Steelheads Get-Togethers.

Roll pins have been holding mission and life critical equipment together for a long time....

The HELL you say! Why, I don't know what to say! Well...I already said it actually... I mentioned that in my Aitor article actually...just in a different way...about roll pins. Spot on...spot on...

Thomas, cool information! Thanks!

 

[Esav Benyamin]

You're frustrated with the chatter, get up and get a beer. Leave the gratuitous profanity in the other room with the whine & cheese when you come back. Please.

 

[sicily02]

Hi all I just went over and reread all the posts. Some posts got off the topic though, The point is that we ALL like this forum and want to see and hear what others are carring and using and how some things are done. The gear the I carry and the gear that some else carrys might not be the same so be it. I want to see how others carry there gear and how they do things where they are at some things a like some I do not. Wheather you carry a pouch on your belt or a day pack or in your pockets gear that will help you get out of bad sitution and live to see the next sunrise is the point. Now if you carry your gear in a hollow handle or your shirt pocket who cares. just so long as you have it when you need it. I hope everyone here wants to learn the skills of bush craft or suvival or field craft what ever you want to call it. Being called a rambo wantabe or suvivalist or some kind of a suvival instructor.
Just remember what the topic of the first post was and that was what can be carried to get you out of a bad sitution ie hollw handle, shirt pocket, pouch on belt, daypack etc. Some of us can get by with less than others because of the knowledge we have through time ( dirt time ) that is. Practice make you better at this type of stuff. Soooo As couger allen said lets learn from each other and not talk to each other they is has been on some of the posts.
There are some poeple who have lived and took on more that one attacker
Geronimo, Sampson, Audie Murphy, Col. Nick Rowe. I sure you can think of some others too. In the movie rambo he carryed gear with him knife, sleeping bag, matches, string, needle and thread.
Maybe we should call are selves emergency life saving equipment gear carriers.
How we carry are gear is up to how each of us feels it works for them.
Long post I know but I just enjoy learning form this forum. So keep those thoughts and ?s comming to this place.
Lets learn together.
Bryan

 

[sicily02]

The movie rambo was just a movie take what you can use from it to be prepared.
That is why I put the part in my post about the movie.

 

[bob bowie]

Here's what may have claim to being the first purpose built hollow handle- http://www.jbrucevoyles.com/Auction 25/DSCN2186.JPG . The Ka-Bar match safe knife. Released in the 1930's, it offered a cast aluminum hollow handle withe space for a box of matches, and a small Marble's compass glued under the buitt cap. Two styles of blade-skinner(shown) or slight clipped point.

 

[Don Rearic]

Leave the gratuitous profanity...

The profanity was not simply "gratuitous," it had a reason.

"...being without apparent reason, cause, or justification: a gratuitous insult."

Source:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=gratuitous

My use was not a "gratuitous insult" or "use of profanity."

I had reason and it was apparent, I had cause and justification.

There was, however, "gratuitous insult" delivered and I addressed it. If that is a problem, I'm sorry. I wish the other people would get stomped on so they would stop gratuitously insulting people who make different choices than they do when it comes to bladeware.

Please take this into consideration before you act. If my actions violate the rules and those (people) I addressed did not, do what you have to do and I say that with all due respect, Esav. But I won't change and I won't be drawn into B.S. Whine & Cheese threads.

 

[nemoaz]

Just kidding.

 

[grobe]

don rearic, thank you for your refreshing posts.

 

[sicily02]

I like the look of blade that was used for the rambo # 2 movie. Thanks for posting it.
Bryan