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Discussion in 'FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!' started by beattheheat, Sep 25, 2019.

  1. JackTheKnifeGuy

    JackTheKnifeGuy Gold Member Gold Member

    812
    Nov 12, 2017
    Still wondering why you had to lie about the description. Maybe it was to reap a larger gain?
    Even Still, purposely lying on any exchange description should have consequences.

    Edit: I hope someone higher up sees this thread section and keeps an eye on this guy Incase of future mishaps.
     
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  2. Kaw10e

    Kaw10e Gold Member Gold Member

    105
    Oct 22, 2016
    I did not lie purposely. At this point it has become a tit for tat he said she said over a simple knife sale. I’m sorry I bought a knife from you and sold it for a $30 profit. Are you angry and want me to split the pot with you? I assure you the buyer knows the condition of the knife and the one stick it whittled. Would you mind telling me the density & composition of that stick? The buyer was really curious about the saturation & sap content..
     
  3. Quiet

    Quiet "That guy" Platinum Member

    Oct 11, 2013
    If you don't like it, you're free to sell elsewhere. Seriously, how many times do we have these threads before people realize that this is a community, not a pool of marks for flippers to take advantage of? If your only reason for being here is to extract maxprofits, that's going to become known before too long. Don't like it? Oh well, eff off to IG or eBay where there's anonymity so that people can't track you. I don't even say that with any malice, I mean it sincerely. I won't speak for others, but I'm not even against being able to sell for a profit. If you have a knife that's discontinued or whatever it is, feel free to post it up. But when you buy a sprint run and post it up with a 200% markup the day they start hitting mailboxes, that's not the actions of a fellow knife enthusiast. That's a "Let me soak these idiots for this cash" move. Same with buying a knife elsewhere to come here immediately and jack the price up. You should probably understand by now that many of us are both on BF and IG/FB as well.

    Some of us prefer not to be taken for a ride by a middleman who brought nothing to the table other than buying up limited run items so they could resell them at a huge markup. Choosing not to buy from those people, and out them for what they are is ALSO Capitalism. :)
     
  4. Hackenslash

    Hackenslash Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jul 25, 2014
    Well, my opinion doesn’t matter much, but I DO buy a lot of knives. Based upon this and the original sales thread, I’ll proceed with the belief that @Kaw10e is less than honest in describing the knives they sell. I’ll share that opinion with others as I can.

    Go sell on eBay since the lower standards of honesty may serve you better.
     
  5. Quiet

    Quiet "That guy" Platinum Member

    Oct 11, 2013
    You keep trying to be cute, but the fact is, you're starting to come off as a real scumbag. Anyone who has actually done any whittling, and rolled or damaged an edge on very hard wood is probably seeing your condescending dismissal of Jack having used the knife as somehow not real use and shaking their head. If he used the knife, it was used. The edge is no longer factory pristine. It's on you as the seller to correctly describe items you sell here. If you can't do that, then don't sell here, simple as that.

    Criminy, I can't believe I have to explain this.
     
  6. Hackenslash

    Hackenslash Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jul 25, 2014
    The community rising up against dishonesty is the essence of the free market. Go read a book.
     
  7. D17A1

    D17A1 Gold Member Gold Member

    24
    Mar 30, 2019
    What you're describing sounds exactly like a socialist/communist uprising o_O

    I've never bought or sold on this forum, so please direct your hostility elsewhere :)
     
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  8. JackTheKnifeGuy

    JackTheKnifeGuy Gold Member Gold Member

    812
    Nov 12, 2017
    No thanks I have a real job.

    I’m not It’s the fact you purposely lied to reap a larger gain AND tried lying on me. Do I seriously have to reiterate what I said earlier that explains the entire ordeal.

    I’m sure he knows the condition of the knife after we had to fix your description.
     
  9. Kaw10e

    Kaw10e Gold Member Gold Member

    105
    Oct 22, 2016
    It’s great to hear that you have a real job. You’re correct, I have sent him a video depicting the perfect edge. Something I would be willing to post here as well. Sometimes the mentality of the forums is a bit overwhelming but who doesn’t like a challenge :p
     
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2019
  10. Hackenslash

    Hackenslash Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jul 25, 2014
    Socialist/communist uprising? Holy cow, we better start you off with pamphlets before we tackle a book. Let’s go with a web page...https://www.bbb.org/iowa/get-to-know-us/about-us/what-is-a-bbb/

    You confuse hostility with constructive criticism. I merely wished enlightenment for you. Have a GREAT day!
     
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  11. WValtakis

    WValtakis Hand Engraving, Anodizing and Embellishment Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    May 29, 2004
    Yup, "the mob" has a problem with poor sellers... a misleading description and poor packaging when shipping definitely puts you in that category regardless of your flipping tendencies.
     
  12. David Mary

    David Mary KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    477
    Jul 23, 2015
    Socialism/communism is the misguided belief that government should forcibly remove wealth from productive people who have earned it and redistribute it to those who have not. Nothing he said even comes close to advocating that, showing you either don't know what you are talking about, or you are a troll (or both).
     
  13. David Mary

    David Mary KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    477
    Jul 23, 2015
    Whether it is lawful to sell a thing for more than its worth?

    On the contrary, It is written (Matthew 7:12): "All things . . . whatsoever you would that men should do to you, do you also to them." But no man wishes to buy a thing for more than its worth. Therefore no man should sell a thing to another man for more than its worth.

    I answer that, It is altogether sinful to have recourse to deceit in order to sell a thing for more than its just price, because this is to deceive one's neighbor so as to injure him. Hence Tully says (De Offic. iii, 15): "Contracts should be entirely free from double-dealing: the seller must not impose upon the bidder, nor the buyer upon one that bids against him."

    But, apart from fraud, we may speak of buying and selling in two ways. First, as considered in themselves, and from this point of view, buying and selling seem to be established for the common advantage of both parties, one of whom requires that which belongs to the other, and vice versa, as the Philosopher states (Polit. i, 3). Now whatever is established for the common advantage, should not be more of a burden to one party than to another, and consequently all contracts between them should observe equality of thing and thing. Again, the quality of a thing that comes into human use is measured by the price given for it, for which purpose money was invented, as stated in Ethic. v, 5. Therefore if either the price exceed the quantity of the thing's worth, or, conversely, the thing exceed the price, there is no longer the equality of justice: and consequently, to sell a thing for more than its worth, or to buy it for less than its worth, is in itself unjust and unlawful.

    Secondly we may speak of buying and selling, considered as accidentally tending to the advantage of one party, and to the disadvantage of the other: for instance, when a man has great need of a certain thing, while an other man will suffer if he be without it. On such a case the just price will depend not only on the thing sold, but on the loss which the sale brings on the seller. And thus it will be lawful to sell a thing for more than it is worth in itself, though the price paid be not more than it is worth to the owner. Yet if the one man derive a great advantage by becoming possessed of the other man's property, and the seller be not at a loss through being without that thing, the latter ought not to raise the price, because the advantage accruing to the buyer, is not due to the seller, but to a circumstance affecting the buyer. Now no man should sell what is not his, though he may charge for the loss he suffers.

    On the other hand if a man find that he derives great advantage from something he has bought, he may, of his own accord, pay the seller something over and above: and this pertains to his honesty.
     
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  14. CoryMc

    CoryMc Basic Member Basic Member

    341
    Sep 3, 2016
    @Kaw10e At least you made it out of the exchange...
     
  15. ScooterG

    ScooterG You mean Ireland? Yeah, it’s mine. Gold Member

    Mar 15, 2016
    This thread has been especially entertaining as I have at least 3 participants on ignore...keep seeing replies to ghosts, LOL.
     
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  16. D17A1

    D17A1 Gold Member Gold Member

    24
    Mar 30, 2019
    This thread advocates for market regulation. Market regulation taken to its logical conclusion is, first socialism, then communism.

    At any rate, if the seller misdescribed the item, that is a problem. If the seller made 1,000% profit, that isn't (unless that breaks forum rules).

    If I want a knife and can't easily obtain it, i'll pay whatever I feel like paying in order to obtain it. If someone makes a profit for getting that knife to me, good for them. THAT is how capitalism works folks.
     
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  17. Quiet

    Quiet "That guy" Platinum Member

    Oct 11, 2013
    At this point, I realize that you don't have any concept of how a community works. The good news is that your posts here tell everyone all they need to know and I don't expect we'll see much of you around. People in this community take a dim view of those who see us as just another "market". Good luck with that.
     
    Last edited: Sep 29, 2019
  18. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
    This thread advocates for dropping the hammer on parasitic pieces of garbage. Sad that the more get planked the more fill their places. Tally ho.

    FYI "Capitalism is not the Gordon Gecko greed is good mantra that you and the others of your ilk chant. Capitalism hinges on mutual trust and respect. Folks flipping retail exclusives for twice the price do not invoke the spirit or letter of trust or respect.
     
  19. Kaw10e

    Kaw10e Gold Member Gold Member

    105
    Oct 22, 2016
    This community you speak of regularly posts GEC knives with 100-150% mark-up. The knives sell within minutes and people go on their merry way with no complaints. If both the buyer and seller are satisfied with the sales terms, knife condition & price what’s the problem? I will once again reiterate that I make $30 on this flip of the century.
     
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  20. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
    Well except for that guy you sold an empty tube. He had complaints.
     
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