Should PayPal Gift Option be permitted for sales?

Discussion in 'Tech Support, General Q&A, Site Feedback & More' started by markksr, Aug 8, 2013.

Should the PayPal Gift Option be permitted for sales here at Bladeforums?

  1. Yes, continue to allow it.

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  2. No, there should be a rule against it.

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  1. Esav Benyamin

    Esav Benyamin MidniteSuperMod

    Apr 6, 2000
    Excellent. Standard procedure here is "Post I'll take it in the thread and send me PM or email to confirm the deal."

    Why post details online that can antagonize a buyer? Quote a total price that includes the item sold, cost of shipping, cost of doing business, and see who bites.

    Then they get you on email and ask if you give them a break if (if they gift PayPal :rolleyes: or use a USPS Money Order :cool: or have their cousin Harry stop by and pick it up ;) )

    KISS ... leave the details for private conversation.
     
  2. MerryMadMonk

    MerryMadMonk Platinum Member Platinum Member

    May 22, 2011
    Gifting money is a gamble... in that it is highly unlikely the buyer can recover his money if the seller goes south. If the buyer doesn't understand that, he hasn't done his homework and he's likely to learn this lesson the hard way at some point. If he does understand the gamble he's taking and does it anyway, then comes up short... well, sha-zaam!

    Sellers risk losing the ability to receive personal payments if caught using the gift option for goods and services. And if that happens... sha-zaam, again!

    Why either buyers or sellers would knowingly expose themselves to these gambles/risks is anyone's guess, but it is ultimately between them and PayPal.

    As for those who haven't bothered to read/comprehend PayPal's user agreement, that's their failing and is also between them and PayPal (as are all other PayPal-related issues).

    I'm not sure BladeForums should take a position one way or the other, but that's for folks more knowledgeable than me to decide.
     
  3. cncpro11

    cncpro11

    May 28, 2012
    Perhaps things are getting a bit out of hand when sellers are stating that the 3.5% paypal rule is in effect?
     
  4. coaltrain

    coaltrain

    482
    Jul 11, 2013
    Most of the ads I see want 4% - I still haven't figured out where they get that figure when the fee is 2.9% + $0.30.
     
  5. richard thurman

    richard thurman

    Nov 9, 2005
    another way to make extra money out of the deal.
     
  6. Lone_Wolfe

    Lone_Wolfe Dazed and Confused Platinum Member

    May 3, 2011
    Now this is the sort of ad I won't have anything to do with. The purpose of listing a price and also having a fees added price is to give the buyer the option to save money by using a MO or pp gift.

     
  7. Rhinoman

    Rhinoman

    241
    Dec 13, 2011
    But using Paypal Gift for the purchase of goods isn't honest.
     
  8. Lone_Wolfe

    Lone_Wolfe Dazed and Confused Platinum Member

    May 3, 2011
    I'm referring to being honest with my buyer or trading partner. I've never ripped anyone, no matter if they've sent me cash, MO, PP gift or regular.
     
  9. Rhinoman

    Rhinoman

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    Dec 13, 2011
    I wouldn't suggest that you've ripped off anyone that has bought from you or traded with you. :) Still, it IS ripping off Paypal and it really isn't fair to the buyers that pay the fees when they sell like we all agreed to when we signed up with Paypal. Ultimately, those that follow the rules that we all agreed to are expected to pay when they sell AND when they buy with this "GIFT" shenanigans. I can't see that as fair.

    If we all just did what we promised to do when we signed up for Paypal, things would be simple and honest and fair....
     
  10. LEGION 12

    LEGION 12 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 8, 2009
    Bump those of use that want to stop people using the gift option should really try and keep this thread going somehow.
     
  11. pbcg

    pbcg

    Oct 20, 2009
    Question for the mod's.

    The question and the practice of allowing a seller to ask the "Gift Option" be used in sales, or asking the buyer to pay the PP fee's, and offering different prices for different methods of payment if PP is a payment option, have all come up multiple times before.

    Will there be a definitive decision made and announced? or if nothing changes, that's our answer?

    Just curious so I thought I'd ask.

    Thanks.
     
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2013
  12. Esav Benyamin

    Esav Benyamin MidniteSuperMod

    Apr 6, 2000
    If there is going to be a rule, it will be Spark's decision. That's why this is in Tech Support rather than FEEDBACK or Whine & Cheese. I don't believe he wants to make any more rules than he has to. I don't see why Bladeforums should police PayPal's Terms of Service.

    Personally, I think we should be following their rules when we use their service. I have passed up purchases here because I didn't like the sellers terms. I am afraid a lot of people don't read these discussions and someday may get caught, and wonder what they did that was so wrong.
     
  13. pbcg

    pbcg

    Oct 20, 2009
    Thanks Esav,

    I understand what your saying. When it comes down to it it's not BFC's job to enforce PP's rules or TOS, I get that.

    If people would simply follow the TOS of service they agreed to when they signed up for PP this would all be a non issue.

    I've also passed on sales because I didn't like the terms of the sale, and really hate it when I read of someone getting taken or on the hook because they used gift and now have no recourse.

    It's a tough one because as much as I agree it's not BFC's job to enforce PP's TOS, if you did make it a rule I can see only good coming from it. At least using the gift option part.

    Thanks again for the reply. I really hope Spark gives it some serious consideration.
     
  14. markksr

    markksr

    Mar 15, 2007
    I wonder about the legality of defrauding PayPal of their percentage?

    If it is, in fact, illegal (whether enforced or not), then wouldn't BFC be allowing criminal activity to openly take place by not putting an end to this practice?

    There are several topics here which even the discussion of is forbidden for legal reasons yet fraud is openly advertised in the Exchange?
     
  15. LEGION 12

    LEGION 12 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 8, 2009
    I understand to enforce this would mean a lot of work for the Mods how about a sticky at the top of the for sale section letting everyone know this practice if frowned upon . Nobody would probably pay any attention but potential buyers could point it out to the sellers just a thought.
     
  16. RevDevil

    RevDevil

    Nov 9, 2009
    The best way to hide important or otherwise useful information is by hiding it in the sticky'd threads. That is a guaranteed way to have the masses not read something, unless of course the words "free, giveaway, or drama" are the topics. I don't look at it as a means of enforcing paypal rules, I look at it as a means of protecting our newbish members from other folks that might not know better or have not so good intentions.

    Paypal is a big boy and can take care of itself without us little ole mods fighting their fights. If someone continues to be unwilling to do their own math, that's their problem. I can't trust people that can't add simple single digit percentages. It ain't right.
     
  17. Mike G

    Mike G

    Jul 15, 2000
    It is not our job to enforce Paypal's rules.

    Bladeforums merely provides a venue, for a small membership fee, for members to buy sell, and trade knives and related items. We ask that a few rules be followed while conducting business on the forums. We cannot tell anyone what methods they should use to pay or receive payments. That is a private transaction between buyer and seller.

    If someone asks you to use the gift option when using Paypal, simply say 'NO', and either make a counter offer, or move on.
     
  18. coaltrain

    coaltrain

    482
    Jul 11, 2013
    In another forum I frequent which is similar in size and activity here, this same issue went around and around for at least 6 months. In the end, the administrator employed a rule against the "gift" or "personal" payment. Since this was initialed about a year ago, there have not been any problems or complaints. I'm not saying that the same should be applied here at BladeForums (although I am all for it) - just wanted to show that this same issue has been brought up elsewhere and the end result.

    Cut/Paste of the rule addition there:

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    To all our Marketplace sellers: please be advised that updates (shown in bold) have recently been made to our Marketplace listing regulations in order to keep our Marketplace safe and to comply with PayPal policies.

    An asking price or price range must be posted (you may ask for a best offer in addition to your stated price, however) You may not solicit payment to be made via PayPal as a gift. We strongly discourage buyers from accepting offers that request gift payments.
    Sellers typically ask for gift (also known as personal) payments in order to avoid being charged a transaction fee by PayPal. By sending gift payments, buyers surrender their right to PayPal Buyer Protection for that particular transaction and consequently limit the number of things that can be done in the event of a dispute.

    All future Marketplace listings must be in compliance with this new rule to avoid risking deletion by the site staff.
     
  19. Ken44

    Ken44

    Jun 29, 2005
    I wish the Gift option wasn't allowed here.
     
  20. markksr

    markksr

    Mar 15, 2007
    Vote early! Vote often!

    BUMP...
     

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