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From the Becker Blade Database thread, about the Brute::

From the Camillus literature: '''Exclusive high carbon steel (0170-6C) flat ground blade, 58-59 RC blade hardness, black epoxy coating, Becker trademark GV6H ergonomic handles, Kydex multi-carry sheath system, Proudly made in the USA''' and '''15 inch overall length, 9.5 inch length blade, .250 inch thick blade'''

From a website called zknives, the following info on 0170-6C::

0170-6C(Camillus) - Originally, Cold Steel was using Sharon Steel 0170-6 steel under Carbon V name. After Sharon Steel went Bankrupt in 1988, and the original steel was(is) still under a patent, new one had to be selected eventually. Modified version, 0170-6C with removed Nickel became the new Carbon V.

Looking through the database, the Blackjack 2, 3 and 4, and all the Camilluses (Camilli?) were 0170-6C.
 
zuluninja said:
cool keychain!

And as it seems you are getting serious with it, go ahead and order some 1084and take advantage of all the awesome advice given here. My first 3-4 blades were made out of "mystery steel", scraps found here and there, drawfiling, lots of sanding, then a cheap HF belt sander. By that time I had already ordered some 1084 and messing with it. My first blade out of 1084 with my HT was destroyed while batonning, a huge quarter-sized chunk came off the edge when I tried to dislodge it from the stump I batton on. But the 2nd blade came out a bit nicer, although I am still afraid to batton with it :D

It has taken me some time to accept that if I want to get something out of this hobby (at least to pay for more steel and/or buying other knives), sending out for HT is a pretty good deal. I still order 1084 and do garage HT, but those I keep for myself or given as gifts.
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Thanks bud.

I always planned to send out for my HT. I have no intentions of trying to HT in my basement or kitchen.

Im using O1 right now, and ill probably use 52100 when i order some more. The difference in price between 52100 and 1084 is negligible and since im not doing my own HT i might as well get the steel i really like.
 
a small triathlon is one of my goals for next year too! have to make time for swimming, been doing more of the other stuff.
 
This just KILLS me! :grumpy: :mad:
Cheers to the victim, he's a good sport! :beaten:
[video=youtube;sGz-NIBZwEw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGz-NIBZwEw[/video]
 
quote of the night in the data lab: "Oh, I think it's only flammable!"
 
worldwood said:
Yea 100 bucks could get me A LOT of steel LOL, id rather be able to keep making knives than to have 2 heat treated.
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I look at it this way, even if you only have a couple blades ready for HT... you're paying $100/batch to have it done RIGHT. What's that really worth to ya? The other 15 or 20 blades are just a bonus. ;)

One thing that came up in ST last week is this little tidbit... whenever you do send in your batch, include a piece of your leftover barstock ground to the same thickness/bevel as the actual knives you made. It only needs to be 2" or 3" long. Have them HT it along with rest, and when you get it back, cut all sorts of "normal" things with it, and then beat the living snot out of it... pound it through nails, a cinder block, whatever. You can do a heckuva lotta testing that way without blowing up a finished blade :thumbup:
 
I know this has been covered, but it bears repeating...

granitestateofmind said:
I watched a very informative YT video about different steels and the gentleman suggested 1095, 440c and O1 as fairly easy (in that all materials and knowledge aren't expensive or hard to come by) to HT, DIY-style.
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I call BS. Those are very poor choices for backyard DIY HT. Sure you can more-or-less get almost any steel fairly hard with a bed of hot coals and a bucket of used motor oil... but you're throwing away a lot of potential. All three of those require pretty specific temps, soaks and quenching to really get the most out of them. Stick with 1070/1080/1084 for the simplest HT.

worldwood said:
For real though people were making and heat treating knives for hundreds of years...
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Sure they were, and they were basically using - guess what - what we would now call 1070/1080 ;) Iron with a little carbon and really nothing else. They were also relying a whole lot on "magic" they didn't really understand.

Even tiny amounts of alloying elements like chrome vanadium moly etc etc have a pretty profound affect of how the steel actually reacts to HT processes, and the structures formed.
 
Picked up a six pack of random pumpkin beers the other day.

This is good.

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Snark is dead. This one has turned into a knife making thread.
 
Guyon said:
Okay, I've pinky sworn that I'm doing a mini-triathlon next year. Anybody done one? trade, I need to pick your daughter's brain.
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Like sprint distance? I've done a few. Probably not difficult, even "off the couch", as they say. Unless you aren't a swimmer at all.....which it seems many are not. Transitions are tough and eat a lot of time in short races. But since you probably aren't going to win..,who cares? It is good to do a few " bricks" when training (dislike that word) I.e. do a swim then a bike or a bike then a run so you get a feel for how it feels to transition from swimming to cycling or cycling to running (that's the hard one, imo). Make sure you pick a race that's as flat a course as possible.....
 
I got my deer permits in the mail the other day. I am freaking pumped for deer season. Two months and counting...
 
A triathlon is when you drink wine, whiskey and beer all in the same night, right? I can do that :thumbup:
 
james terrio said:
I call BS. Those are very poor choices for backyard DIY HT. Sure you can more-or-less get almost any steel fairly hard with a bed of hot coals and a bucket of used motor oil... but you're throwing away a lot of potential. All three of those require pretty specific temps, soaks and quenching to really get the most out of them. Stick with 1070/1080/1084 for the simplest HT.
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I may have misquoted, the general idea was to use inexpensive steels with well known HT protocols and not waste a lot of time and money on expensive stuff. I don't think it was meant that you do back yard HT or anything....Anyway judge for yourself :


How to Choose Steel for Knife Making: http://youtu.be/ieMiF2CajyU
I'm sure this link won't work as I'm sitting at my firepit with my tablet and haven't figured this thing out yet for bid and pic posts.
 
cbwoods67 said:
I got my deer permits in the mail the other day. I am freaking pumped for deer season. Two months and counting...
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I'm super excited as well, get to try out my new rifle. Luck lily I'm still under 18 so I don't need a permitt, yet, and my dad gets a free one through the VA, all we really ah be to do is go to Wally-world and pick up a couple tags
 
spikebot587 said:
I'm super excited as well, get to try out my new rifle. Luck lily I'm still under 18 so I don't need a permitt, yet, and my dad gets a free one through the VA, all we really ah be to do is go to Wally-world and pick up a couple tags
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Right on.:thumbup:

My shotgun is currently in pieces. I am in the process of untacticalizing a Wingmaster I bought from a coworker.

Unfortunately, we can't use rifles for deer hunting. Good luck!
 
cbwoods67 said:
Right on.:thumbup:

My shotgun is currently in pieces. I am in the process of untacticalizing a Wingmaster I bought from a coworker.

Unfortunately, we can't use rifles for deer hunting. Good luck!
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Good luck to you as well, and that's a really weird law about the rifles. Is there a good reason for it?
 
So, this is going to be interesting. I'm going to see if the hammock I have is going to be able to keep the rain off of me. Last night of camp and we're going to have an hour or thunderstorms rolling through. Here's to hoping!!!! If not my car is 7 yards away.
 
cbwoods67 said:
Right on.:thumbup:

My shotgun is currently in pieces. I am in the process of untacticalizing a Wingmaster I bought from a coworker.

Unfortunately, we can't use rifles for deer hunting. Good luck!
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Is that in your county only, or state wide?
 
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