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Thanks guys. She has lived up to her name this far, so hopefully it continues.

Whats everyone doing tonight? I just finished grilling some burgers for supper and am planning on cracking a beer open soon. Just gonna relax for a while and watch a movie or something.

TAXES!!! and a beer..or two. or four. And thinking about giving my Machax the "Dean" treatment this weekend.
 
TAXES!!! and a beer..or two. or four. And thinking about giving my Machax the "Dean" treatment this weekend.

Just finished ours.... I waited a bit longer than usual this time around. :barf:

Dernit. I just got my BK10, but now I want a BK4. :o I should probably go and beat the snot out of my BK9 or 10 this weekend and I'll forget all about that 4. :rolleyes: Yea... Right.
 
Packing stuff in the car for our trip tomorrow.

No drinking tonight, saving my liver for tomorrow.
 
First and foremost, good thoughts going out to you and Lucky.

I just got back from 10 hours of trail maintenance at a local climbing area. I'm exhausted. Still tons of snow and ice on the ground and we cleared more fallen trees than I can count. Carrying a chainsaw for that long is a workout! Now enjoying dinner and a glass (or two) of wine.

Sounds like a long day. I don't do much. Sat at Firestone for a while, while they put new tires on the girlfriends car, went to the vet, put new plugs and wires in the gf's car, and grilled supper. Just cracked an Angry Orchard and gonna play some COD.

TAXES!!! and a beer..or two. or four. And thinking about giving my Machax the "Dean" treatment this weekend.

Ack to the taxes.... I did mine right away this year.
 
My cousin lives across the street from me and wandered over to bs while I was grilling tonight. He told me that one of our neighbors had someone break in his place a few nights ago while he was sleeping. I guess he woke up after hearing a noise by his bed and reached down and there was a guy crawling beside it. The guy took off right away and he called 911, but they never found him. Now I'm worried about keeping my gf safe while I'm gone on the nights I work. There is always a loaded 38 locked up close to the bed, but I'm wanting something she will be more inclined to use and easier to get to. Anyone have suggestions for pepper spray or anything else? She was thinking taser, but I'd rather not have her her that close if something does happen.
 
Picked up my new M-18, now sitting in the parking lot talking myself into going to work.
 
My cousin lives across the street from me and wandered over to bs while I was grilling tonight. He told me that one of our neighbors had someone break in his place a few nights ago while he was sleeping. I guess he woke up after hearing a noise by his bed and reached down and there was a guy crawling beside it. The guy took off right away and he called 911, but they never found him. Now I'm worried about keeping my gf safe while I'm gone on the nights I work. There is always a loaded 38 locked up close to the bed, but I'm wanting something she will be more inclined to use and easier to get to. Anyone have suggestions for pepper spray or anything else? She was thinking taser, but I'd rather not have her her that close if something does happen.

Why won't she use the .38? And why can't it be easily accessible?
 
Got Lucky checked out at the vet this afternoon.

Sincere prayers and happy thoughts from my family to yours. :thumbup:

Had a heckuva a day in the shop, got a boat-load of work done. Among other things, I received and cut up a bunch of steel for the Grind-In at Ethan's.

Tired and sore... but in a good way. :)
 
Anyone have suggestions for pepper spray or anything else?

Pepper spray that actually works is a really bad idea in your bedroom.

Big, strong dog that loves you and your family dearly is a very good idea.

Next, a 20-gauge shotgun.

Every keyboard commando on the net will mock me for recommending a 20 instead of a 12 for home defense... but let's think this through.

I'm 6'3" and 250#. My wife is not. She's frankly scared to death of the kick from a 12. Better to hit what you're pointing at than to be terrified of even picking it up...

We're talking about ranges measured in feet, not yards. You don't need an assault rifle with a 30-round mag for that. A 20 loaded with buckshot? BOOM - done.

Just my opinion, of course.
 
Pepper spray that actually works is a really bad idea in your bedroom.

Big, strong dog that loves you and your family dearly is a very good idea.

Next, a 20-gauge shotgun.

Every keyboard commando on the net will mock me for recommending a 20 instead of a 12... but let's think this through.

I'm 6'3" and 250#. My wife is not. She's frankly scared to death of the kick from a 12. Better to hit what you're pointing at than to be terrified of even picking it up...

We're talking about ranges measured in feet, not yards. You don't need an assault rifle with a 30-round mag for that. A 20 loaded with buckshot? BOOM - done.

Just my opinion, of course.

Couldn't agree with you more!! I'm convinced that dogs prevent far more incidents than we realize. When we lived in Sierra Vista, AZ, back in the early '90's, every house on the block had either minor vandalism or theft (teenage kids in most cases) except for ours. A large lab/retriever mix and a chow/coyote mix with yellow eyes seemed to be a good deterrent.

And the primary house gun we have is a 20 gauge with adjustable (M4-style) butt stock so it fits my 6'2" (37 inch sleeve, 280 pounds) frame and my wife's 5'0" itty-bitty frame as well. I'm not a keyboard commando, but am a retired Army officer, part-time gun dealer (01 FFL), and certified NRA rifle and pistol instructor. A 20 gauge loaded with Number 3 Buck is way easier on the shoulder and on the ears, especially when fired indoors. Even if you fix the recoil issue with a 12 gauge, it is still too heavy for some folks (my wife included) to comfortably hold for any period of time.

You, sir, have done a good analysis of the situation and made a fine choice!
 
I went with a 410 for my 78yo mother.

It's light-weight and less kick than a 20, much less a 12. She can hit the broad side of a barn from the inside with it. :rolleyes:

And since she would be using it inside the house, that's a good thing. 5 pellets of 00 at a time within room distance will stop most obnoxious critters trying to get in. :D The only thing I have to do is remember to warn her when I'm gonna being coming in late at night. :eek: :D
 
Well it can be, but I don't want someone to be able to just grab it either. I just dont think she would use it and would better off with something a bit easier

Well the .38 is only going to be worth a darn if she'll train with it, that's for sure. But there isn't much that is going to be effective without practice. Pepper spray indoors is probably going to fill the room. Tazers and stun guns are good... if there's only one assailant.


Pepper spray that actually works is a really bad idea in your bedroom.

Big, strong dog that loves you and your family dearly is a very good idea.

Next, a 20-gauge shotgun.

Every keyboard commando on the net will mock me for recommending a 20 instead of a 12 for home defense... but let's think this through.

I'm 6'3" and 250#. My wife is not. She's frankly scared to death of the kick from a 12. Better to hit what you're pointing at than to be terrified of even picking it up...

We're talking about ranges measured in feet, not yards. You don't need an assault rifle with a 30-round mag for that. A 20 loaded with buckshot? BOOM - done.

Just my opinion, of course.

A good dog and good locks are the first line of defense. Trying to make your place more trouble than it's worth to get into will go a good long way. "An ounce of prevention..." as it were. An alarm system too if you can swing it.

I'm not going to knock a 20 vs a 12, either is pretty effective. However where the shotgun lacks, regardless of gauge, is it's limited capacity and it's time to reload. You may think you only need 5 or six shots but more is always going to be better.

An AR15 or similar rifle is actually a really good choice. Some may say it's overkill but can you really have too much gun in a potential life-or-death situation? An AR15 doesn't kick very hard, holds a lot of ammo and is quick to reload, if you actually needed too. If you have a tacticool m4gery with a quad rail and adjustable stock then it can be adjusted for different users and a quality light and optic can be added which would be beneficial in a confrontation. Though the stock, light, and optics can easily be added to a common shotgun.

It's 2:00am. You're in bed when suddenly you're startled awake by what sounds like a window breaking. Is there someone in your house? How many of them are there? What are their intentions? You're in your PJ's and only have time to grab your weapon and whatever ammo is in it and attached to it.

If it actually comes to exchanging rounds with some low-life you'll probably only need a few. But wouldn't you rather have 30 on tap with maybe another 30 ready to go? Not saying you've made the wrong choice by going with a 20ga shotgun. They can do the job well. But if we're being honest a carbine offers a lot of advantages. It's not the end-all-be-all #1 choice for everybody. There are many things to consider. And the fact is they're expensive and when a weapon system can cost as much as a good used car it puts it outside the reach of plenty of folks. A good shotgun is relatively inexpensive, is simple to operate, and can be devastating to a threat with the right load. Plus few, if any, localities have restrictions against the classic scatter gun.


Whatever you choose you need to train with it. That means a lot more than going to the range a couple times a year and casually shooting a few rounds. Professional instruction is advisable. Once you've decided on how you're going to deal with possible threats you also need an overall plan. You've got your firearm/stungun/morning star/rubber chicken at the ready but what else could you be doing? Is someone calling 911? Are there other people in the house that need protecting that you need to get to? What about when the police show up? Many things to think about ahead of time.
 
I went with a 410 for my 78yo mother

I'm not sure of the ballistics involved, but it sounds worth looking into. I live in a subdivision. Part of my concern about home-defense is not blasting through my house and into the neighbor's house and... well, y'know. That would really suck. On the other hand, who wants to take a .410 slug in the chest at close range? Not me! :eek:

Couldn't agree with you more!! I'm convinced that dogs prevent far more incidents than we realize.

Heck yeah! We have 3 dogs, and they are all basically cuddly fluffy teddy bears... but by gawd, they sure sound mean when anyone comes near our yard ;) If I were a burglar... I'd go to the next place. Sometimes perception is reality.

A 20 gauge loaded with Number 3 Buck is way easier on the shoulder and on the ears, especially when fired indoors. Even if you fix the recoil issue with a 12 gauge, it is still too heavy for some folks (my wife included) to comfortably hold for any period of time.

That's exactly how I came to that conclusion. The acid test is, "would I want to be shot in the chest with a 'light" 20-ga load of buck at close range... and the answer is HECK NO! "Can my wife or kid handle a 20 if they need to? YES."

I assure you, I sincerely hope and pray none of that ever happens... but hey... *shrug*

You, sir, have done a good analysis of the situation and made a fine choice!

Thanks, man. I appreciate your input. I'm not a veteran, and I've never been in a gunfight... but I try to address these scary matters in the most efficient way possible, with the least chance of completely fouling it up.
 
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An AR15 or similar rifle is actually a really good choice. Some may say it's overkill but can you really have too much gun in a potential life-or-death situation?

Yeah. You can have too much gun.

I'm NOT against people owning AR's, I'm totally a 2nd Amendment kinda guy... let's get that clear.

BUT. For me... I do not want or need an AR or AK for home defense, and frankly I would prefer if my neighbors didn't have them either. That's not a legal or constitutional opinion on my part, it just... dude,,, that's not necessary in this particular field of engagement.

I live in the 'burbs. Everything I can see from my property is within a hundred yards, line-of-sight. Small-caliber, high-velocity rounds are exactly what I don't want bouncing around my hood.
 
Home defense?

I will turn on a strobe light, grab my Machax or DBH and M-18 and become a whirling dervish of fat guy insanity if someone breaks into my place.


Actually, I have been thinking of getting a tac light for my G-17. I also sleep with my bedroom door locked and am an incredibly light sleeper.
 
We all just need spears and bow and arrows.

I know i wasnt going to drink but somehow i was loading the car and one of the neighbors offered me some honey wild turkey..... never heard of it. But said ok why not, now im drunk, not tipsy... just drunk.

They invited me over to help him and his wife finish off the bottle... We did, then they pulled out some wine in a box... so we drank that too, im not a wine drinker, but im also not the type to be rude and say no... but it wasnt bad at that point.. We finished that as well... now im back home and now i want some pizza.... Or fried rice.
 
Yeah. You can have too much gun.

I'm NOT against people owning AR's, I'm totally a 2nd Amendment kinda guy... let's get that clear.

BUT. For me... I do not want or need an AR or AK for home defense, and frankly I would prefer if my neighbors didn't have them either. That's not a legal or constitutional opinion on my part, it just... dude,,, that's not necessary in this particular field of engagement.

I live in the 'burbs. Everything I can see from my property is within a hundred yards, line-of-sight. Small-caliber, high-velocity rounds are exactly what I don't want bouncing around my hood.

I've seen demonstrations of fragmenting 5.56mm penetrating fewer walls than 00 buck. Any ammo that is going to be effective against a threat is going to have a risk of over-penetration. Some calibers and projectiles reduce this risk, but mostly it's going to be making sure the shots find their target. But if the world was perfect we wouldn't have to worry about playing supersonic catch with a tweaker in the living room so we have to think about misses. Another thing to help mitigate the chance of rounds leaving the house is strategic backstops, like a well stocked book case at the end of the hall. Can't fortify the whole house but any little bit can help. Proper ammo selection is as vital as the tools and training. Developing a weapons system for home defense requires lots of careful consideration and a very good understanding of the chosen implements as well as the environment.
 
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