Spark crossed a line

Horned Toad said:
Originally Posted by Spark
Summary:
3. Mick Strider claims that he is a combat veteran.
4. Mick Strider claims that during service, he developed a spinal injury, causing him to lose jump status, resulting in his discharge. Mick Strider later claims that this injury led him to incur disciplinary action (whether Article 15 or other not known), and be discharged from service as an E1

6. From 1986 to 1993 there is no information on Mick Strider's activities. Evidence of Special Operations affiliation during this time is absent and not provided.
9. Mick Strider claims that during sentencing, the prosecutor was supposed to ask for his sentence to be one year’s service in Somalia, with his pay forfeit. Given the nature of the other claims, this service is intimated to be Special Operations in nature, especially given his attempts to tie it to the deaths of Rangers in Mogadishu during that time.
13. Mick Strider makes numerous statements online that his is a combat veteran, and makes references to carrying and using firearms, despite revelations that he is, in fact a convicted felon.

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3 I guess someone has quotes other than Kevin and Lance
4 Being looked into now, not even the Ranger Associations has that info at their finger tips, so up in the air.
6 No info whatsoever, I think that is the info was available to make Mick look bad his detractors would have long since brought it forward.
9 hasn’t been proven or disproven
13 Maybe on the combat part, I don’t read or memorize everything Mick says, but in the other thread, this was brought up and the proof turned out to be a pic of Duane.
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Ok, let me offer a rebuttal to your rebuttal.
3. I've provide quotes from Mick Strider, and Tom Mayo both stating he's a combat vet.

4. Yes, it's being looked into, but it doesn't change that Mick Strider changes his story frequently and when he's lied about one thing, his credibility on others is cast into doubt.

6. If he wasn't a combat vet during service (as I've shown) then the combat vet experience had to be from out of service. If he can't back it up, it didn't happen. He's not providing details. It strains belief that a busted spine E1 with a shitty attitude, who went AWOL, then who got kicked out of the Army and barred from re-enlistment would be an ideal choice for a contractor job when from 86-93 we had tons and tons of real deal ex-SF, ex-SEAL, ex-Rangers (with more than 65 days in the batt), ex-whatever people just sitting around ready to be tapped. Watch Shadow Company for a better perspective on this, PMC's were nowhere near as common back then.

9. Has been pretty much discredited. Federal Sentencing guidelines don't allow it. Mick can't provide any documentation showing such a plea bargain. And plea bargains are legal contracts, if the prosecution broke the contract, the plea bargain is null and void. 3 pretty major points debunking Mick Strider's claims.

13. Reread the thread you posted, the quotes and the rest are there.

Horned Toad said:
My view is this all comes down to 4, 5, and 6.
Was he hurt? What did he do between 86 and 93? If he didn’t do anything then 5 is correct, if he did go abroad, then 5 was the easy way out?
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I'm not sure the point you are making. If Mick Strider had combat experience, then he essentially perjured himself in signing that settlement agreement. If he had combat experience documentation, he could have provided that in court as evidence, and had that stipulation excluded from the settlement. He doesn't, so 5 is pretty much exactly as it seems. Any excuses or skating around it can be viewed as nothing more than someone caught and busted trying to get out of it.

Horned Toad said:
How does this concern the original topic and Spark? I feel that by the way Spark phrased his email to Mclung it shows that this was more a personal thing than any kind of moral issue. I do have a question for Spark; you say it was the Somalia thing that finally got your goat and made you do something about this, so where did you hear that. Were you lurking at BLs waiting and watching everything that Mick wrote or did that get emailed to you?
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You have to be registered at Badlands to read anything there.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4345606#post4345606
This is my first post in this thread, where I even detail that I have trouble registering. Michelle had to set me up an account because it turns out Firefox can't see the registration screen. I mentioned I wanted to read the statement for myself. When I did, I was amazed anyone bought that garbage. Especially anyone remotely connected to law enforcement or a passing familiarity with how the legal system works.

Again, I didn't sit behind Mick Strider and force him to type out these outlandish claims of his. I just recognized this Somalia plea bargain crap as a lie. Like Michelle suggested ;) I went looking for more and I found all the rest, and what a shocker, this is a pattern of behavior for Mick.

If you want to imply I've been sitting and waiting for this, be my guest, but I suggest you provide some proof of such, otherwise you have no grounds to object to the documentation I've provided showing Mick Strider to be a liar. Otherwise, attacking when I started this is a red herring, since I didn't even see the issue until over a week after killerskill posted the thread, and didn't even put my stuff together until a couple days after Mick Strider made his post.
 
dakotared said:
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." TR
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Hey thanks for the support there Dakotared! I appreciate this quote, since it clearly applies to me. After all, Mick was no doer of deeds, or was never in an arena, and exposing him as a fake is a great and worthy cause. So take that, you people criticizing me! :D
 
Spark said:
Hey thanks for the support there Dakotared! I appreciate this quote, since it clearly applies to me. After all, Mick was no doer of deeds, or was never in an arena, and exposing him as a fake is a great and worthy cause. So take that, you people criticizing me! :D
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No problem Spark, but perhaps it applies even more to those whose faces are marred with sweat and steel dust rather than those whose faces are never covered with more than the glow of a comptuer screen....
 
dakotared said:
No problem Spark, but perhaps it applies even more to those whose faces are marred with sweat and steel dust rather than those whose faces are never covered with more than the glow of a comptuer screen....
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Ok, now he's talking about KIT CARSON when he made me my 15 inch long 0.27 inch thick Stellite 6K, U-2. He will never be the same.
:D
 
Well, since my face was covered in sweat and camo paint from military service 3 times as long as a certain person's, without going AWOL or getting removed for conduct; since my face was covered in sweat from hard work and honest living, instead of going to prison, and my "computer glow" came from actually contributing & creating a community with 83,000+ members, I'm going to say that your quote applies more to me, than to any faker who has to lie and steal valor to cover up for their own shortcomings. :D After all, it's hard, sweaty work to tell tales of your combat experience and military prowess in bars and online, especially when it never existed.

I appreciate such heartfelt support there.
 
June 1954 - McCarthy conducted an investigaiton of the Army and rudely insulted General Zwicker by comparing his intelligence to that of "A five year old child". Other stupid statements ensued.

Joseph Welch attorney for the Army said "You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

At this point American viewed McCarthy with disdain. On December 2nd the Senate voted to censure McCarthy by the margin of 67 to 22.

As a 7 year member of Bladeforums,i've had the pleasure of knowing James K.Mattis,Walt Welsh,"Uncle"Bill Martino and others now deceased.They are looking down on us with a frown.

The dozen posters who have piled on the anti-Mick bandwagon,are a miniscule minority of the knife world.Most collectors,dealers,& makers will continue to support Strider.I know i do.

Stop the haters,it's hurting the knife industry and Bladeforums is being made a laughingstock.Have we no decency?
 
That's pretty funny, Sky, since you are one of the ones who's been taking shots at me, even in the Maxpedition boycott thread that I had nothing to do with. You want to talk about McCarthyism now, compare me to him, and make it seem like Mick is a poor innocent soul? Seems to me the witch hunt has been going on for years, only I've been the target. I guess your fella doesn't like it when the scrutiny is put on him though.

The only thing being made a laughingstock is anyone who's buying the lies of someone isn't even a has-been, but is a "never was".
 
tyr_shadowblade said:
I cannot f*cking believe you're applying this quote to Mick of Strider Knives.

Does he cornhole you frequently, or only occasionally?
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Haters, what haters…..? Why, this thread is filled with some of the most eloquent, well thought-out prose ever typed into cyberspace.......
 
McCarthy was a drunk and thug, a bully, ... but he was also correct that there were communists in our government, working against American interests.

Why don't we do what our country should have done in those days: followed up on McCarthy's accusations, exonerated the innocent, condemned the guilty, and shut down the extra-legal public bashing by both parties.

It is ironic that the pro-Strider crowd is pointing out "hate" directed at their side, while tossing around undocumented allegations, speculation, and misdirection, and ignoring or deprecating facts on the record.

Nothing, nothing any of you say will make these threads cease to exist. But the sooner you stop arguing about them, the sooner they will fade into the past.
 
sky masterson said:
...and Bladeforums is being made a laughingstock.
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I just don't see it. Since this thread started almost a thousand new members have joined Bladeforums. I doubt that their reason for joining was to come here and laugh at those that are questioning Mick's honesty. To think that threads that question the veracity of Mick Strider's claims would make this forum a laughingstock is rather funny in itself. There are those that would like others to think that, but in reality it is only the case with a miniscule percentage of the knife community. Not enough to affect the popularity of this forum in the slightest.
 
automated ugug said:
i swore i wan't going to post again in these threads..but spark and sifu1a's posts made me do his

i asked directly in another forum, yes on the internet, whetehr the maxpedition/cold steel stuff was bullshit .. he said you have my word, a matter of bushido etc :rolleyes: , i took that as the truth and said to others on british forums that we should boycott maxpedition, cold steel etc.. Mr Strider was an honest man ..


so yes he fuckign owes me an explanation. just as his word and version of the truth was given over the internet.. so should his explanation .. i don't give a shit how good his knives are . how dare he say this is what i did, take my word for it . and then hide behind a series of lies, bullshit, friends throwing out innuendo to deflect from the real issues... Spark did the right thing ... Mr Strider has to step up or step off
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if ya are waiting for mick to post on BF and explain anything, ya are in for one long wait imho, be that right or be that wrong, he aint gonna do it, peroid, end of story irregardless of what you, or I, or anyone else would like for him to do. imho, only.

like i said its not my fight, but its bad for your health to get all worked up expecting something to happen, and it never happens.

he aint gonna post on this forum and explain anything.

is it right?? is it wrong?? both sides are debatable, but the fact remains he aint gonna post on this forum.

so everyone posting "mick should say this/or mick should say that", its just waisted space, 'cuz he aint gonna post on this forum.

this all sure is a mess though, isnt it??

i do understand the frustration and anger though, i dont thinks its right to lie about things like this, not cool, and silly too, no excuse for it, but what in the world could he say now to make anything better? nothing, imho, the damage is done now, imho its a good thing he doesnt post on the 'net anymore as obviously he would have a drink or 5 and get carried away some nites, i hope thats what happened, anyway, the alternative is he has some serious mental issues to deal with not to mention low self-esteem, etc, bless his heart.
 
I doubt that Mr Strider will be on any forum until this whole matter blows over. (if it ever does)
I have a feeling that some new events may change the course of this debate.
 
This thread is getting positively apocalyptic! :D

Doom! Doom! Doom! The end of something-or-other is coming!​
 
Keith Montgomery said:
Do you have information on these new events you allude to, or are you only speculating?
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I am speculating on something Michelle mentioned way back in the thread or it may have been the other long Strider thread.
She inferred that the wheels were in motion to bring more information to this debate regarding unrevealed facts.
There will be a lot more to this before its over i think.
 
Danno4017 said:
I am speculating on something Michelle mentioned way back in the thread or it may have been the other long Strider thread.
She inferred that the wheels were in motion to bring more information to this debate regarding unrevealed facts.
There will be a lot more to this before its over i think.
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Other than give you answers to questions that were already answered, asked by someone who didn't read the thread so they didn't know they were already answered, or no one asked or cared about, ie misinformation/diversionary, I wouldn't hold my breath for Michelle to clear this up one way or the other. (Although she is very eloquent about it.:) ) It's just another tactic to make you think the SSS (Secret Squirrel Society) knows more than everyone else, although they can't divulge any of that information unless they kill you afterwards.:rolleyes:
 
One this I will agree on is all of Sparks’s accusation need to be separated from the monster thread and made a sticky. He has got 14 points some of which are serious, some have no bearing whatsoever on anything, and on some he has been proven wrong.


Also one thing for those who have never been in a Ranger unit and or do not have a tab. Sparks keeps bringing up the short amount of time that Mick was in bat. So what. In the late 80s Ranger school was only 52 days long. So in the 80s you could go to a 52 day long school and be a stud, if you passed, but if you only spent 65 day in a bat you are a shit bag, interesting logic.
 
Horned Toad said:
One this I will agree on is all of Sparks’s accusation need to be separated from the monster thread and made a sticky. He has got 14 points some of which are serious, some have no bearing whatsoever on anything, and on some he has been proven wrong.


Also one thing for those who have never been in a Ranger unit and or do not have a tab. Sparks keeps bringing up the short amount of time that Mick was in bat. So what. In the late 80s Ranger school was only 52 days long. So in the 80s you could go to a 52 day long school and be a stud, if you passed, but if you only spent 65 day in a bat you are a shit bag, interesting logic.
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Spark has made the point precisely. Uncle Sam spent the money to put a TRAINABLE person into a battalion, only to have him piss it away by going AWOL. Mick service is measured in days and months. Quite embarrasing. So yes, shit bag is the proper term in this situation.
 
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