Spark crossed a line

Since you're a bit OT, STR and this thread focuses a great deal on exposing frauds and deliberate misrepresentations of the past, you may find the following interesting in light of the documentary you've seen.

First, Jesus (or Yeshua) was a common name at the time. The name "Jesus" is famous only because of the actions of one person with that name. It is the New Testament connotation of the name Jesus as connected with Jesus Christ that is being exploited, at the expense of you and other viewers.

There were other people named Yeshua before THE Yeshua, so to speak. Some of those Yeshuas lived in Jerusalem, even had a direct Biblical connection, and did so before a certain very famous Yeshua did. I'm referring to author Yeshua Ben Sira.

It may surprise you to know that the Biblical Barrabas (the murderer released by Pilate instead of Jesus Christ) was also named in some texts, you guessed it, Jesus.

A tomb belonging to a man named Yeshua doesn't prove it's the tomb of the Yeshua (or Jesus) described in the Gospels. The name alone in no way proves it is the tomb of THE "Yeshua".

The same is true of the other names, as well. Mary? There were two Marys in the Gospels alone: Mary the mother of Jesus and Mary Magdalen! How many others were in Jerusalem at the time? If actress Mary Carey married Spanish baseball player Jesús Alou, she would be Mary the wife of Jesus. Mary, too, was a common Jewish woman's name. How many Marys are alive today?

How about James, then? Which one?

There were at least three James' surrounding Jesus Christ: James: son of Alphaeus, James: son of Zebedee, and James the Just: possibly the brother of Jesus. So we can say with certainty James (or more correctly its Hebrew equivalent) was a common Jewish name, just by looking at the New Testament alone.

Jonah is no different. There was another Biblical author named Jonah, one referred to by Jesus Christ, who also lived near Nazareth long before Jesus did.

How about Joseph? Again, there's a couple in the Bible both Old and New Testament because it, too, was a common Jewish name. There's the Old Testament Joseph, sold by his brothers into slavery, there's Joseph, the stepfather of Jesus, and Joseph of Arimathea in whose tomb Jesus Christ was buried. We can rule out anything unique about Joseph as a Biblical name, even in the time of Jesus. What this documentary is doing is deliberately playing up the religious connotation selected names evoke and, naturally, taking advantage of most viewers' ignorance of the Bible.

...then the IAA closed down the study and kicked everyone out to shut them up which just added more suspicion to the find if not more credibility.

It's also possible that the IAA decided the study was being conducted with a deliberately sensationalistic bias and a predetermined outcome which is the worst sort of scientific dishonesty.

There's another aspect that weighs very heavily against a Christian "conspiracy" to suppress the truth. The IAA is the Israel Antiquities Authority.

Israel is a Jewish state and Jews do not recognize Jesus Christ as either the Messiah or the Son of God. If there was credible evidence that the actual tomb of THE "Jesus" mentioned in the Gospels had been discovered, it would be in an Israeli group's best interest, both professional and religious, to debunk the supposed Divinity of that particular "Jesus".

Anything else implies an even bigger even more far-fetched conspiracy theory, some wild tale worthy of fiction writer Dan Brown whose rubbish I blame entirely for encouraging this sort of deliberate misrepresentation.

The following article on the subject written by a scholar intimately familiar with the subject refutes in much further detail both the "facts" cited in the documentary and Cameron's upcoming movie.

The short version is you (and many other viewers) are being misled and lied to by people who have a very specific agenda. Given the focus of this thread, I hope a correction of those falsehoods isn't too off-topic.
 
That's an easy one. A person appears to have been caught in a lie while trying to defend a person who has been accused of telling lies.


Regards,
3G


If you are talking of me sir you clearly are an idiot.......

Kind of why BFC is BFC........
 
If you are talking of me sir you clearly are an idiot.......

Kind of why BFC is BFC........

Your differing stories make it seem that you made up that you bought one so you could make the point that you support Strider. Can't fault people for seeing it even if it's untrue. You put it out there.
And you also seem to be one of the people who dislikes BF but still seems to hang out here so you can tell other people about how much you don't like it. Why stay?

respectfully,

oil
 
Kind of why BFC is BFC........
So, BFC sucks because they notice when somebody says something that doesn't add up? When a guy says he bought an expensive knife in support of a guy who's being raked over the coals, and then later says he hopes one day he can buy one of these knives... sounds a lot like he never really bought the knife.

Forgive me, but I have been around the block a few times and I've heard a LOT of bull**** stories in my time, especially when I was in the service. If my bull**** detector is going off unfairly, I apologize. But you have to admit, a person doesn't have to be an idiot to wonder about your story.
 
Yes, only idiots would take what you said and believe it!:eek: Kinda like the whole Strider mess, huh?:barf: This just shows that as long as one can claim 'spiders are in my head' they can present themselves as having done it all, and have it all. Oh, I DIDN'T purchase anything, or serve in combat, or whatever...it's the SPIDERS!:foot:
 
All this talk about buying even more Strider just "to show you!" must be as contagious as it is hollow.

Kind of why BFC is BFC........

Yeah it sucks not to be able to hide behind highly-decorated bros with mod-powers and an all-knowing-all-seeing thought-STASI. The bros are always right - "'nuff said!"
:jerkit:
 
Your differing stories make it seem that you made up that you bought one so you could make the point that you support Strider. Can't fault people for seeing it even if it's untrue. You put it out there.
And you also seem to be one of the people who dislikes BF but still seems to hang out here so you can tell other people about how much you don't like it. Why stay?

respectfully,

oil

This is my last post because it is now silly and I feel like changing my last name.

Please please please read for me and explain any post in which I show support for Mick. I am pretty clear that I took no sides, agreed with the evidence but simply felt enough is enough.

If that's support I am guilty.

And having a bud in Iraq who needs a workhorse knife and one was given to me why would I not ship it out to him it's one hell of a knife. Remember this is not about their knives, or maybe you have added agenda.. Why not

As for me buying knives of any kind, that my friend would require me to manufacture money. When you are as broke as I buying even a CRKT has been impossible of late. My Current EDC is a Buck Mayo given to me from a great member here.

When times were good for me I regularly gave away knives to many here. Miicrotechs, Bencmmade, etc.
But now all you might get is an old butter knife.

And please to call me a liar clearly indicates to me you know nothing about me, nothing.

But do not fear I have no plans to cram a 2X4 up your butt, I cannot yet walk. Even if I could I have never been a hero be it keyboard or otherwise.

Matter of fact I would rather you think me a liar than to know of anything I did or have done in the real world. Just never expect me to plead to it and don't waste time trying to prove my credibility and integrity, I am but a peon and no one gives a shiit:D

Now, lock this thread and plaese start an 'Ira is a liar thread". That one sounds like something I need to happen at this time in my life. Might even go 50 pages since I am an open book.

And again, I am somewhat confused due to conditions currently beyond my control but I cannot find any post where I come out in support Mick. If I did I meant his knives and until you can prove to me he even touched the one given me, I claim it was handled by Duane only:p


Until then have a nice day....Ira
 
Guys, Wolfman isn't the target here. If anyone is, I am. If you have issues with Wolfman, take it up in a seperate thread. Period.

If Wolfman is saying that he made a mistake based off information that he had, and has changed his mind now, that's good enough for me. That's the mark of integrity right there. Raking him over the coals doesn't do anyone any good.

He says that the evidence is pretty damn conclusive. If he still supports Mick after all that, well, that's his choice. But the thread "calling me out" isn't the place to take him to task, if he even deserves to be "called out" at all.
 
Spark said:
Guys, Wolfman isn't the target here. If anyone is, I am. If you have issues with Wolfman, take it up in a seperate thread. Period.

If Wolfman is saying that he made a mistake based off information that he had, and has changed his mind now, that's good enough for me. That's the mark of integrity right there. Raking him over the coals doesn't do anyone any good.
Fair enough Spark. As far as I was concerned, this little off-topic offshoot was done. I wasn't gonna say another word about it until this came up:

Kind of why BFC is BFC........

B S

'nuff said.
 
Jesus, can't you just lock this thread? Make a sticky with your initial findings so the "buyer can beware" and lock it as well? Seems like he was vague at best in his "clarification" post on his site so there should be someplace to view more of the details, but at this point it's just making good, loyal people pay the price.

But it is nice to be able to participate and post your opinion on a site who you don't deem worthwhile to support with member dues, or in any way, yet not get banned when you insult the person making it possible? Yes, I'm talking about you, smiley....
 
I wasn't gonna say another word about it until this came up:

Same here. I couldn't care less if he really bought a Strider or not.

I bought a Surefire but I don't have one - because it was a gift for my dad. Just because I bought one, it doesn't mean that I can afford one for myself. And just because I can't afford one for myself, it doesn't mean that I don't know how high their quality is.
 
Vaako it was an example of how people behave and react as a psychological comment, nothing more. I really don't care to get into all that nor do I need any history lessons. I taught history and know pretty much all that anyway. Its just an example. As for the people being lied to. Anytime a documentary is aired you have to realize its made powerful on purpose because there is a difference between entertainment and fact. If people were falling asleep during the show like they do during a continuing ed class it wouldn't sell.

Thanks though but I'll save that for another time if its just the same with you.

By the way, I don't know what your acronyms mean but thats neither here nor there either.

STR
 
Jesus, can't you just lock this thread? Make a sticky with your initial findings so the "buyer can beware" and lock it as well? Seems like he was vague at best in his "clarification" post on his site so there should be someplace to view more of the details, but at this point it's just making good, loyal people pay the price.
Well since the thread is ostensibly "calling Spark out" as me having gone "over the line" I'm not going to lock it without allowing people to get their words in.

But it is nice to be able to participate and post your opinion on a site who you don't deem worthwhile to support with member dues, or in any way, yet not get banned when you insult the person making it possible? Yes, I'm talking about you, smiley....

I'm not sure who you are talking about here, but yeah, we try to let everyone have their say.
 
Dizos didn't answer it, but maybe Spark can:

How am I being duped? Am I being duped in believing that Spark has a right to use his servers to host his messages? Am I being duped in believing that if what Spark wrote is fallacious that he could be corrected with a better papertrail or disciplined in the civil courts? Am I being duped in believing that if Spark's thread (based on killerskill's thread) might burn otherwise lucrative bridges than if he let sleeping dogs sleep?

If this is what has occurred, how did you it, Spark?

And to think none of this would've happened and friendships and feelings would have remained intact if enough people could've let a cordwrapped hunk of spring steel with a $30 MRSP go unchallenged. (says the hypocrite who went bezerk when Benchmade released the Skirmish prior to their agreement with Spyderco...)
 
Oh, that's easy. I used my mystical mind control powers and controlled this entire series of events, including weather changes and alien abductions.

As an aside, I was forwarded a news article about white collar crime and fraudsters today. I read it and found it pretty interesting.
http://biz.yahoo.com/cbsm/070305/b3e79f2a6f0340798b93189e2f8e8a92.html
Some interesting tidbits:
"Do not trust verify," was his mantra as the meal began.

Verify what? "Everything."

Even whether Antar and Minkow aren't still scamming?

"Everything."

And so it went, with Antar continuing with e-mails over several weeks.

"Watch how management handles bad quarters, earnings disappointments, criticism, skepticism and cynicism," he says. "Do they start by saying, 'We take full responsibility and make no excuses' only to follow by carefully worded innuendos, excuses and deflection? Do they question the integrity of those who ask questions?"

He continues: "Just because a CEO takes a $1 salary doesn't make that person immune to criminality. Just because I travel the country and teach the government, colleges and universities, and professional groups about white-collar crime and never collect a fee and pay out of my own pocket all travel costs, doesn't mean I am not a criminal today. Remember that many crimes are committed without economic gain for reasons of ego, status and sheer arrogance."
and this:
He adds: "Criminals are scared of skeptics and cynics," he says. "We are petrified when you verify our representations."

Did he ever have remorse? "Never ... We simply did not care about any one of our victims. We simply committed crime because we could.

"As criminals we built false walls of integrity around us," he adds. "We walked old ladies across the street. We built wings to hospitals. We gave huge amounts of money to charity. We wanted you to trust us.

But the best part was when I went to the website mentioned in the article: www.whitecollarfraud.com. When I was perusing it, I came across this article:
The Art of Spinning: How to Identify Possible White Collar Criminals or at Least Unethical and Deceitful People Who You Should Avoid

http://www.whitecollarfraud.com/1583432.html

On it is a pretty big list of behaviors to watch out for -
The Art of Spinning:
  • Sell people hope. My cousin ‘Crazy Eddie’ Antar taught me that “people live on hope” and their hopes and dreams must be fed through our spin and lies. In any situation, if possible, accentuate the positive.
  • Make excuses as long as you can. Try to have your excuses based on at least one truthful fact even if the fact is unrelated to your actions and argument.
  • When you cannot dispute the underlying facts, accept them as true but rationalize your actions. You are allowed to make mistakes as long as you have no wrongful intent. Being stupid is not a crime.
  • Always say in words you “take responsibility” but try to indirectly shift the blame on other people and factors. You need to portray yourself as a “stand up” gay or gal.
  • When you cannot defend your actions or arguments attack the messenger to detract attention from your questionable actions.
  • Always show your kindness by doing people favors. You will require the gratitude of such people to come to your aid and defend you.
  • Build up your stature, integrity, and credibility by publicizing the good deeds you have done in areas unrelated to the subject of scrutiny.
  • Build a strong base of support. Try to have surrogates and the beneficiaries of your largess stand up for you and defend you.
  • If you can, appear to take the “high road” and have your surrogates do the “dirty work” for you. After all, you cannot control the actions of your zealots.
  • When you can no longer spin shut up. For example offer no guidance to investors or resign for “personal reasons.” Your surrogates and so-called friends can still speak on your behalf and defend you.
  • If you are under investigation always say you will “cooperate.” However, use all means necessary legal or otherwise to stifle the investigators. Remember that “people live on hope” and their inclination is to believe you.
  • When called to testify under oath (if you do not exercise your 5th amendment privilege against self-incrimination) have selective memory about your questionable actions. It is harder to be charged with perjury if you cannot remember what you have done rather than testify and lie about it.
  • However, before you testify have other friendly witnesses testify before you to defend you. You need to “lock in” their stories first (before they change their minds) so your testimony does not conflict with their testimony and your story will appear to be more truthful.
  • Try not to have your actions at least appear to rise to the level of criminal conduct or a litigable action. Being stupid or being unethical is not always a crime or a tortuous action.
  • One last rule, to be a most effective spinner always keep your friends close and your enemies closer. The kindness you show your enemies will reduce their propensity to be skeptical of you.

Take a look at what's been done in this thread, and what's been done in the previous one. Take a look at the threads on TF, and the "Lick My Sack" incident, the threads that lead to the Strider Forum being closed, etc. Compare my actions to Mick Strider's. Every challenge made against me, I've met head on. I've explained everything in clear, concise, unchanging detail. No avoidance, no equivocation, no long winded excuses, nothing. No legions of fanboys attacking the messenger. No calling attention to my other good deeds. No bullshit. Compare and contrast.
 
Spark, I've seen this from the beginning. On the first page of your Strider thread, I wrote something about the reasons why it's only a clever move of Mr. Strider to give knives to soldiers for free. I didn't write down all the reasons I've been thinking of, because I didn't want the thread to escalate that early.
Now you're gonna get all the hatemail... ;)
 
But that is a marsupial on his head. I am looking at it. :D
 
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