Spark crossed a line

Thanks. The other thing that occurred to me was the physical we all have to go through to be accepted into the service. I mean I witnessed them turn down guys with less than a back injury in Pittsburg when I went for my physical. Then there is the question of what judge, presecutor or DA would suggest a plea bargain like the Somalia thing ( that is if it could even be done under the law ) when the guy you are suggesting this about has a history of AWOL> I mean if he went AWOL once what makes them think they can send him off to the service again and trust he'd stay in his unit? Seems to me any prosecutor would be smart enough to know that would be a free ticket to freedom to someone with a history of that nature. Even without the prosecutor in the picture at all it seems to me that if someone did it once there is nothing to prevent them from doing it again. But to the devout and loyal friends that don't seem to see things the same as most of the people I see posting here perhaps that is harder to believe than it is for me.

STR
 
Horned Toad said:
As far as Sutton, I said that I thought he was state. But his brig screw up that is coming to light now also involved a lot of feds.

Spark asked me based on my experience. I replied based on my experience. And I have not had problems with just one federal DA it’s been bunches. You want to smuggle people or dope do it in Cochise County, nothing happens. The threshold for dope right now is 250 pounds. Smuggle under that and you can hardly get anyone to prosecute federal, state, or local.

Got a link to the news article, I rarely go to arfcom, they don’t seem to have a very good rep on the web but I do like to check out new AR parts there every now and then
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Well, what is happening is a diversion away from the main topic, which is what happened in this case, one simply can not say a universal conclusion that in this case that, because you think that all prosecutors are crooked, that the situation involving Strider is believable.

If we want to play that game I can say that I have seen a bunch of cops lie and be caught in their lies in court, and get prosecuted and fired and I have seen that more than once. Being on the border I have seen a bunch of CBP agents and local cops get busted for taking payoffs from the smugglers.

Going by your logic, since you are a cop you are a liar, a jack booted thug and probably a dog shooter- do you agree with my logic? You don't do you?

And as a matter of semantics b/c it bugs me- a DA is a District Attorney because they cover a judicial district, as US Attorney is exactly that.
 
STR said:
Thanks. The other thing that occurred to me was the physical we all have to go through to be accepted into the service. I mean I witnessed them turn down guys with less than a back injury in Pittsburg when I went for my physical. Then there is the question of what judge, presecutor or DA would suggest a plea bargain like the Somalia thing ( that is if it could even be done under the law ) when the guy you are suggesting this about has a history of AWOL> I mean if he went AWOL once what makes them think they can send him off to the service again and trust he'd stay in his unit? Seems to me any prosecutor would be smart enough to know that would be a free ticket to freedom to someone with a history of that nature. Even without the prosecutor in the picture at all it seems to me that if someone did it once there is nothing to prevent them from doing it again. But to the devout and loyal friends that don't seem to see things the same as most of the people I see posting here perhaps that is harder to believe than it is for me.

STR
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agreed. :thumbup:
 
I am currently sitting here watching, "The Lost Tomb of Jesus" on the Discovery channel. Apparently they found a tomb of the family of Jesus. As I sit here learning that this family consisted of a brother of Jesus, James, Mary the wife of Jesus, and Matthew from Mary's family line, Joseph, father of Jesus, Jesus, husband of Mary, and a son of the Mary and Jesus named Jonah as well as one other brother of Jesus who I do not recall the name of but its accurate with what was already known. The evidence is profound. I mean its there, on film, in front of everyone. Not that I care or believe it one way or the other. But its compelling that Jesus was married and had a son was died and was buried.

But looking at it this way its hard to believe there was another Jesus with a brother James, and a father Joseph, who also had two significant females in his life by the same names as those in the bible, and then the IAA closed down the study and kicked everyone out to shut them up which just added more suspicion to the find if not more credibility.

My point is that those with no dog in the fight see it much for what is presented that its worth further study but the finding is quite compelling even if the conclusions may have been drawn before anyone opened the tomb. It correlates very well with what is going on here because no believer will buy it or take it serious regardless of how sound the science behind the study is. In the end the believers will make so many ifs to the whole ordeal that no resolution will ever come of it. To them it will never be supported even if they can't prove its not true, and to those on the other side they'll continue shaking their heads in wonderment as to why.

STR
 
digitalrebelttu said:
Well, what is happening is a diversion away from the main topic, which is what happened in this case, one simply can not say a universal conclusion that in this case that, because you think that all prosecutors are crooked, that the situation involving Strider is believable.

If we want to play that game I can say that I have seen a bunch of cops lie and be caught in their lies in court, and get prosecuted and fired and I have seen that more than once. Being on the border I have seen a bunch of CBP agents and local cops get busted for taking payoffs from the smugglers.

Going by your logic, since you are a cop you are a liar, a jack booted thug and probably a dog shooter- do you agree with my logic? You don't do you?

And as a matter of semantics b/c it bugs me- a DA is a District Attorney because they cover a judicial district, as US Attorney is exactly that.
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I won’t go so far as to say the ones I have worked with are crooked, but take you feasance, they all fit. I didn’t ask the question about basing things on my experience. If you don’t like my answer go after the guy that asked the question, but based on my experience I could see a prosecuting attorney (how’s that) at any level, offering just about anything to get someone to talk.

I sort of like jack booted thug, but it’s hard to run fast in heavy boots!
 
Horned Toad said:
Where is the Kevin Mclung thread?
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There are numerous threads about Kevin McClung on Bladeforums. All the fiery controversies were over years ago, though. He no longer has a cult of followers to attack the messenger so when he gets mentioned it doesn't develop into a multi-page thread hundreds of posts long any more.


Horned Toad said:
The guy that sells those Red Scorpion WSK claimed Ranger training, that didn’t raise an eyebrow? I got an email from him, he hem hawed around but didn’t have a Ranger School class number or any date when he was at Bat.
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That issue has been posted on Bladeforums multiple times. There's been some controversy about his knives, but not so much about him personally. He never had any cult of personal followers.

Of course you're welcome to start new threads about either of them, but if you're hoping for a distraction I'm afraid you're bound to be disappointed. Everybody knows about Kevin McClung and nobody cares much about the Red Scorpion WSK guy, not even enough to remember his name....
 
One other thing occurs to me. I remember another episode on National Geographic of a geologist taking pictures of the erosion that is evident around the base of the Egyptian Sphynx. When he showed these to other geologists as the full picture when they could see what they were looking at, meaning the full Sphynx was shown in the picture, none of those asked could or would make a definite solid statement concluding it was water erosion responsible for this type of erosion.

But when he covered up the picture and redid it to a new group of well known geologists showing just the erosion only without showing what it was no geologist had any trouble at all knowing exactly what caused it and would gladly state it as fact, no doubt about it thats water erosion. Boy did the story change after they could see the whole picture though.

So, it makes me wonder. If we could take the name of Mick Strider (Burger) out of this picture, out of this thread, and the other one, and just look at everything else without knowing who it involved at all but just knowing what this mystery John Doe was supposedly guilty of I can't help but wonder how many of the loyal supporters of Mick would be here involved in it with a different opinion of the matter altogether. Its an interesting thought anyway.

STR
 
Cougar Allen said:
There are numerous threads about Kevin McClung on Bladeforums. All the fiery controversies were over years ago, though. He no longer has a cult of followers to attack the messenger so when he gets mentioned it doesn't develop into a multi-page thread hundreds of posts long any more.




That issue has been posted on Bladeforums multiple times. There's been some controversy about his knives, but not so much about him personally. He never had any cult of personal followers.

Of course you're welcome to start new threads about either of them, but if you're hoping for a distraction I'm afraid you're bound to be disappointed. Everybody knows about Kevin McClung and nobody cares much about the Red Scorpion WSK guy, not even enough to remember his name....
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Some how I don’t think even if another Strider supporter ever posted again here that this would go away. I also know I for one would like to see it over and done with. I posted in the locked thread that even with my limited exposure to the spec ops world some of this stuff is hard to believe. Still there is a bit here and there that leads me to believe that there may be something to the claims. Time will tell or it won’t.

As far as Kevin or the RS guy, basically what you’re telling me there has to be big hoopla going one before it is considered offense etc.
 
Horned Toad said:
I won’t go so far as to say the ones I have worked with are crooked, but take you feasance, they all fit. I didn’t ask the question about basing things on my experience. If you don’t like my answer go after the guy that asked the question, but based on my experience I could see a prosecuting attorney (how’s that) at any level, offering just about anything to get someone to talk.

I sort of like jack booted thug, but it’s hard to run fast in heavy boots!
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Well, I would call some crooks- if anyone is bored look up the old Lubbock DA (his name escapes me right now) he conspired with multiple witnesses to commit perjury, he had the medical examiner make up autopsy reports to support murder charges; the Tulia drug cases; the most recent Denton DA won by accusing the previous one of taking bribes in the form of asset forfeitures to get better plea bargains; it goes on. Or have at look in the news about the current US Atty's who were fired, hearings are upcoming. Sure a lot are crooked, no argument from me there.

But the problem is that in this specific case, saying that b/c of crooked prosecutors, then here, there was misconduct, is about the same as saying b/c Strider was a soldier and because other soldiers have done wrong, hell, let's bring in My Lai, them, ergo, he must be guilty without any other evidence. It doesn't work that way- if any one has ANY evidence that the AUSA did anything wrong bring it forward, but when we have evidence of Strider's other embellishments, and just the basic facts here do not show an ounce of credibility to his claim, then the logical conclusion is that he lied about the Somalia stuff. When I hear galloping I think horses, not unicorns.

As a funny story, I have read about the police who hooked a crook up to a copy machine that had a paper that said "lying" on it. Every time that they ask a question, one of the cops presses the copy button and out comes a paper that says lying. So does that mean that is a valid interrogation technique? One can turn around and say that cops lie to suspects every day- does that make it wrong or does or is that unfair?
 
STR said:
So, it makes me wonder. If we could take the name of Mick Strider (Burger) out of this picture, out of this thread, and the other one, and just look at everything else without knowing who it involved at all but just knowing what this mystery John Doe was supposedly guilty of I can't help but wonder how many of the loyal supporters of Mick would be here involved in it with a different opinion of the matter altogether. Its an interesting thought anyway.

STR
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Good question, this poser thing has gotten so big there are several guys on my home forum that go hunting these guys. I myself have the title” Ranger - Poseur Hunt Club” under my screen name for busting some small town wana be that claimed DSC,PH, all kinds of other stuff, being in Somalia with 3rd bat, hell being in ever conflict since DS. I think your question would depend on whether John Doe had been able to spend years in the military circles and gain their trust. No matter how good the story if it is fake the BTDTs will sniff it out.

Little case in point here. When I joined ArmyRanger.com there was no verification. If you logged on and said I am joe snuffy the Ranger, that was good enough. That got you keys to the back room. There was a guy X there that claimed 3rd Bat and some other stuff. Guy X was well liked made solid posts. Then a guy that I worked with when I was in logs in , see the profile for X and one of his first post is to call out X. My friend caught some shit for that, but when the smoked cleared, X was banned and now we have some pretty strict verification procedures. We cleaned out a few more that claimed shit they didn’t earn since then.

So the whole point of that was if you run around in that circle long enough as a fake, you will get caught. It will only take one wrong word for someone to know you are full of shit. So either Mick is the luckiest guy alive to move in that circle for that long while maintaining a fake story and not slip up, or there is another explanation.
 
digitalrebelttu said:
As a funny story, I have read about the police who hooked a crook up to a copy machine that had a paper that said "lying" on it. Every time that they ask a question, one of the cops presses the copy button and out comes a paper that says lying. So does that mean that is a valid interrogation technique? One can turn around and say that cops lie to suspects every day- does that make it wrong or does or is that unfair?
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Well its to late for me to try and make smart sounding posts, I have to call it quits here tonight. But the above is damn funny:D that could be a lot of fun
 
Horned Toad said:
As far as Kevin or the RS guy, basically what you’re telling me there has to be big hoopla going one before it is considered offense etc.
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Basically what I'm telling you is it takes two sides to make a big hoopla, and the reason you haven't noticed anything on Bladeforums about those two is you haven't looked, and the reason there hasn't been enough hoopla (lately) to make you notice without looking is because there wasn't anybody attacking the messengers (lately). Anybody who bothers to look for information about those two will find it, though.
 
So, it makes me wonder. If we could take the name of Mick Strider (Burger) out of this picture, out of this thread, and the other one, and just look at everything else without knowing who it involved at all but just knowing what this mystery John Doe was supposedly guilty of I can't help but wonder how many of the loyal supporters of Mick would be here involved in it with a different opinion of the matter altogether. Its an interesting thought anyway.
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This to me, is the most mystifying part of all of this. On a couple of other forums, it's hard to read a thread about any topic from the weather to a forum member's reputation, where the words "integrity and honor" aren't brought into the discussion. I've seen forum members that were described as the epitome of honor and integrity (with thousands of posts to their name) suddenly be banned in the blink of an eye. Like Politburo members in the old Soviet Union that were airbrushed out of a picture, these folks became persona non grata, never to be discussed again.

Honestly, if it were anyone else, would that person be extended as much grace, forgiveness, and unfailing support? I take no pleasure in anyone's destruction (and thank God for the forgiveness I've received for my own shortcomings), but some things become so patently obvious, as to really beg the question.
 
Sorry, my post just took this thread in a totally useless direction. If Horned Toad starts a thread about Aaron of Red Scorpion Six Blades, I will ask him my question there.
 
digitalrebelttu said:
Interesting, it clearly says that you went and bought one. It also says in your profile that you retired as a LEO in 1999.

I really hope that the PTSD that you described is not a memory lapse or induced by medication. I would hope that anyone claiming to be a former LEO would have the integrity and honor not to be embellishing on the internets. Or that someone who has posted multiple times that you would not post in anymore Strider topics wouldn't go back on his word. Or someone who posted way back in the Strider threads that Mick participated in, which Spark linked to above, and who attacked Spark and bladeforums quite vocally, would have the personal conviction to not post if you find this web-site so offensive.

I really hope that but I think that I my hope is misplaced.
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Just a quickie,

I retired as a Chief in 1999 but did not die. There are lots of other "things" LEO's do after Retirement

And please do not wish my PTSD was anything. It was the worst period in my life and My personal demons went alot deeper than Mick Strider.

If I used the word "bought" you simply need to spend 1 second looking at my current financial state to know that I bought nothing!!!:D

AS as said time and time again it is not the knife, it's the person. I feel bad not one little bit buying a Strider if I could; Duane has to feed his family.

Integrity and credibility jumpers, some of you are simply amazing. Go look in the mirror and then come back here and report you never used the wrong word. As for my retirement, I am sure you reade I could no longer work the streets. Heck, they even used the term prominent. If that could not land me a part time job I failed in politics miserably:D

But please, lets attack me now, my personal life, my employment post 1999, my ability to buy knives, and of all things getting a speeding ticket on the NY Thurway driving a Police vehicle in 2004.

But please stay the phuck away from my PTSD and what impact it had on my life and that of my family, You do NOT ever want to go there, ever.
 
digitalrebelttu said:
Interesting, it clearly says that you went and bought one. It also says in your profile that you retired as a LEO in 1999.

I really hope that the PTSD that you described is not a memory lapse or induced by medication. I would hope that anyone claiming to be a former LEO would have the integrity and honor not to be embellishing on the internets. Or that someone who has posted multiple times that you would not post in anymore Strider topics wouldn't go back on his word. Or someone who posted way back in the Strider threads that Mick participated in, which Spark linked to above, and who attacked Spark and bladeforums quite vocally, would have the personal conviction to not post if you find this web-site so offensive.

I really hope that but I think that I my hope is misplaced.
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i really hope folks will quit posting silly crap like this, but i think my hope is misplaced.

what in the world does this have to do with the discussion at hand (ie mick)??

wolfman doesnt need to explain himself to you, my friend.

this thread has degenerated into a follow-up on the original thread which is now locked, just the same old stuff over and over and over and over and over again, just re-hashing the hash lol.

does anyone have anything of value thats NEW info??
 
I looked and was amused from thousands miles away to see what would happen.
The defenders defend not strider but the over priced knives they only bought because of the stories behind them.If this was all fake then they were looking like abused persons.The denial is human so they won't accept the conclusions.
Personal disputes as extra "spice" is for me just in the kindergarten regio.Striders knives are strong, not functional and in real life (not mint NIB) like most of them are sold very overpriced.
 
SIFU1A said:
i really hope folks will quit posting silly crap like this, but i think my hope is misplaced.

what in the world does this have to do with the discussion at hand (ie mick)??
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That's an easy one. A person appears to have been caught in a lie while trying to defend a person who has been accused of telling lies.


Regards,
3G
 
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