Spark crossed a line

You know guys, I don't think anyone says Mick Strider can't make a knife. I'll be the first one to say that the press fit stellite job he did was nothing short of amazing.

That said, you don't have to lie to boost your rep. Let the designs speak for themselves; don't pretend to be something you aren't. It steals honor from those who did serve, those who'd actually "been there" and "done that."

Nobody ever makes up a story that they were a clerk. Or a janitor. Or a cook.
 
Spark said:
But it's amazing what you can turn up with a little research and FOIA documents, and I trust documents over the "he said, she said, my uncle verifies him!"
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I am looking at the docs on POWNETWORK and I see the Honorable Discharge, where is the barred from reenlistment? Do we know if it is due to medical or punishment?

Speaking of lawsuits to bad that rifle builder didn’t go after Lance when he had him by the short hairs.
 
Horned Toad said:
I am looking at the docs on POWNETWORK and I see the Honorable Discharge, where is the barred from reenlistment? Do we know if it is due to medical or punishment?

Speaking of lawsuits to bad that rifle builder didn’t go after Lance when he had him by the short hairs.
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The barr from re-enlistment information is from the Osman lawsuit settlement. I can't say whether it was medical or non-judicial, but since he lost his rank I know which way I'm leaning.

As for Lance's lawsuit (you mean Lance Harris, right?), I don't know anything about that, or him.
 
Spark said:
The barr from re-enlistment information is from the Osman lawsuit settlement. I can't say whether it was medical or non-judicial, but since he lost his rank I know which way I'm leaning.

As for Lance's lawsuit (you mean Lance Harris, right?), I don't know anything about that, or him.
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Thats him, I dont have the rifle builders name here at the house.
 
Ok, so how does anything Lance may or may not have done excuse Mick for what he's been documented doing? I'm confused. One of the things that keeps coming up by Mick's defenders is how everyone "has it out for him" because they are his "competitor" or they are "posers" themselves, or they are "jealous" or some other inane excuse.

I'm none of those things. I don't make knives. I'm not jealous of Mick Strider in any way, shape or form. I'm no poser, I did my service and see no need to call attention to it. If you are going to attack my arguments, attack the arguments. Don't sling mud wildly, hoping it will stick
 
thombrogan said:
Didn't you recently start a thread saying you just bought a Strider folder? You never did mention which one.
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Yup, someone bought one for me!!!

Not related to Strider, nothing to do with Strider but I have a bud in Iraq as an IPLO and He just broke the BM I sent him.

Does not mean I love Mick, I love the knife.

Stop reading anything into this, we are not talking Pedophile. I once had several Chews, a P4rototype Reif and a Jensen. Meant I bought good knives from shiitbags, that's all, I will not however buy an Alan Blade knife because I would never see it.

I apologize for this lapse in my memory. Please feel free to call me a liar, threaten to beat me, Google my name and check with the NY State Police who in 2004 wrote me a speeding ticket of 71 in a 65 while I was in a freaking Police Cruiser!!!

I plead it to three weeks in Pakistan!!!!
 
Spark said:
Ok, so how does anything Lance may or may not have done excuse Mick for what he's been documented doing? I'm confused. One of the things that keeps coming up by Mick's defenders is how everyone "has it out for him" because they are his "competitor" or they are "posers" themselves, or they are "jealous" or some other inane excuse.

I'm none of those things. I don't make knives. I'm not jealous of Mick Strider in any way, shape or form. I'm no poser, I did my service and see no need to call attention to it. If you are going to attack my arguments, attack the arguments. Don't sling mud wildly, hoping it will stick
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Really not a thing, but you can’t tell half a story, there is a lot of background to this and it’s not a figment of someone’s imagination. Harris and crew started a shotgun pattern of mud slinging years ago, to use your phrase. On some it stuck on some it didn’t, hence my previous statements about someone not in the knife business looking at Mick’s background. I have already said some of your arguments are good, some are false and some have no bearing on the issue.
 
Well, I'm not Lance Harris, and I'm not responsible for his actions, nor am I responsible for any of Mick Strider's, and if you are going to talk about mudslinging Mick Strider & crew are beyond guilty of that themselves.

If you want to attack my arguments, please do so. I'll correct any wrong information. But a statement that some are false doesn't exactly lead me in the right direction.
 
Spark said:
If you want to attack my arguments, please do so. I'll correct any wrong information.
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I'm not interested in attacking anyone's arguments, but as a customer of 1sks I'm curious why I can't buy Striders there? As has been ackowledged, they are well made. Wouldn't efforts be better spent in working with SKI to get their products at 1sks? I am speaking as a knife-appreciating customer. :confused:
 
Spark said:
Well, I'm not Lance Harris, and I'm not responsible for his actions, nor am I responsible for any of Mick Strider's, and if you are going to talk about mudslinging Mick Strider & crew are beyond guilty of that themselves.

If you want to attack my arguments, please do so. I'll correct any wrong information. But a statement that some are false doesn't exactly lead me in the right direction.
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What does # 1 have to do with anything?
# 2 has been proven that he did get an Honorable discharge. We are all waiting on the medical thing.

3 you have a valid argument
4 we are waiting for clarification
5 yep he said that, doesn’t make things look good

Wait don’t these look familiar I think I types this already today.

Like I also told the POWNET, kind of hard to make your arguments look good when you have links to and quote people like Kevin and Lance. Kevin has done a ton of his own mass editing when he got called on his time as a professional soldier. Lance has tried this song before on other folks without good results. So anyone familiar with his previous attacks will look on this with some skepticism. You want to look professional and impartial then do so with reputable sources, do so with Mick’s own quotes. But to try and make a backdoor deal with some guy that thinks working at NijaCo = professional soldier. Come On. Where is you outrage there?

Where is the Kevin Mclung thread?

The guy that sells those Red Scorpion WSK claimed Ranger training, that didn’t raise an eyebrow? I got an email from him, he hem hawed around but didn’t have a Ranger School class number or any date when he was at Bat.
 
Ah, I get the confusion. #1 was there to show that Mick Strider and Mickey Ray Burger are one and the same. That was to forestall any claims that the DD214 didn't belong to Mick Strider, or questions about "who's this Burger guy" - it's there for completeness. I'm not going to make statements on why Mick Strider needed a new name, or speculate on why anyone would have one or more aliases.

#2 has been proven correct. In my post here:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4353594&postcount=3
I even state that he served in C 2/75 and was honorably discharged. That said, Mick Strider's posted DD214 did contain factually incorrect information, and he mislead people as to the length of his service, nature of his service, etc. If it was just "Mick Strider claims to be a Ranger!" it wouldn't be a big deal. The whole mess starts in with "Mick Strider is a combat vet" and "has Special Operations experience" and "was in SOCOM" and all the rest.

#3, well, The FOIA documents show no combat time during his Army service.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4353611&postcount=4 has quotes from the man himself. And his friend. The Chris Osman lawsuit is a pretty hard to refute there, but maybe it's possible that Mick Strider had non-US governmental combat service from 86-93. The question is where, when, and how, since spinal damaged, going AWOL, former E-1's with only 65 days in the Batt, who were barred from re-enlistment and have no special skills aren't exactly the ideal recruits to "go to war" or even be hired by contractors.

4-5 I think we're in agreement on.

I'll go one step further - I agree with you that it appears McClung has his own credibility issues, based on what I've read about his own service times. I can't see how someone can type out five instead of two, but hey, stranger things have happened. If you dig through the archives on BFC, there've been a few Kevin McClung threads in the past as well regarding knives and other issues. That's for another thread. If you'd like to put together a thread detailing Kevin McClung's military claims, by all means go to town. I haven't seen him make claims about Somalia service or doing time and such, so my interest isn't exactly piqued right now, you know?

As for the Red Scorpion guy, if he won't give up his class date or other bonafides, and is making those claims, out his ass.
 
digitalrebelttu said:
After all the Strider crap

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I went and bought my first Strider folder. Wow, what a knife, built like a tank, sharp as a scalpel and able to do whatever I need a folder to do.

On a scale of 1-10, 10 being the highest my strider folder gets a 9!!!!

Nice job once again Strider guys!!!!!

What you posted at http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=455978


Whoops.
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wolfmann601 said:
Yup, someone bought one for me!!!



I apologize for this lapse in my memory. Please feel free to call me a liar, threaten to beat me, Google my name and check with the NY State Police who in 2004 wrote me a speeding ticket of 71 in a 65 while I was in a freaking Police Cruiser!!!

I plead it to three weeks in Pakistan!!!!
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Interesting, it clearly says that you went and bought one. It also says in your profile that you retired as a LEO in 1999.

I really hope that the PTSD that you described is not a memory lapse or induced by medication. I would hope that anyone claiming to be a former LEO would have the integrity and honor not to be embellishing on the internets. Or that someone who has posted multiple times that you would not post in anymore Strider topics wouldn't go back on his word. Or someone who posted way back in the Strider threads that Mick participated in, which Spark linked to above, and who attacked Spark and bladeforums quite vocally, would have the personal conviction to not post if you find this web-site so offensive.

I really hope that but I think that I my hope is misplaced.
 
Spark I think one of the most compelling posts you or anyone else has made in this thread or the other one that you started for that matter is post number 321. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4417620&postcount=321

Its a lot of rehash but when you look at it from this stand point it is hard to find good argument with your logic or thought process here.

I think one other thing that has not been mentioned about the Somalia 'sentence' thing is this. I know a guy that was in the service as an enlisted for like a 4 year term, discharged honorably when he separated and was out for like 5 years and then decided he wanted back in. This was the Air Force so I don't know to speak about other branches. But this guy had to go to basic training all over again and then back to school after that.

Now whether he had to go the full 6 weeks of basic or not is another issue and I can't say I remember that but I do know he had to go again so he went for at least the physical training part to get him back into shape, that much I know. I don't think Mick could just hop right back into the service without having to undergo some retraining either, especially after six years, and a supposed serious back injury. When you combine these big question marks on his Somalia sentence with the suspension of pay to pay the fine, the barred from re-enlistment issues that have been brought up and other things he himself typed about his own 'experiences' its enough to justify anyone questioning if it really happened no matter who it is about. In my mind this Somalia story just seems higly implausible.

STR
 
STR said:
Spark I think one of the most compelling posts you or anyone else has made in this thread or the other one that you started for that matter is post number 321. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4417620&postcount=321

Its a lot of rehash but when you look at it from this stand point it is hard to find good argument with your logic or thought process here.

I think one other thing that has not been mentioned about the Somalia 'sentence' thing is this. I know a guy that was in the service as an enlisted for like a 4 year term, discharged honorably when he separated and was out for like 5 years and then decided he wanted back in. This was the Air Force so I don't know to speak about other branches. But this guy had to go to basic training all over again and then back to school after that.

Now whether he had to go the full 6 weeks of basic or not is another issue and I can't say I remember that but I do know he had to go again so he went for at least the physical training part to get him back into shape, that much I know. I don't think Mick could just hop right back into the service without having to undergo some retraining either, especially after six years, and a supposed serious back injury. When you combine these big question marks on his Somalia sentence with the suspension of pay to pay the fine, the barred from re-enlistment issues that have been brought up and other things he himself typed about his own 'experiences' its enough to justify anyone questioning if it really happened no matter who it is about. In my mind this Somalia story just seems higly implausible.

STR
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STR, excellant post, I brought up a similar point in the locked thread. And what is the most interesting to me, taking for a moment that it would be even possible to sentence him to Somalia, have a look the date of the sentencing hearing where all this allegedly occurred- it is the exact same month in 1994 that funding was cut for the Somalia operation and the deadline was the end of the that month for the majority of combat forces to leave. Call me crazy but that seems to be a bit unlikely.
 
Horned Toad said:
I have only stepped up to that level a few times. What I do know of federal prosecutors is that I wouldn’t trust one as far as I could throw one. The last big case I worked went on for years, I just happened to be at the end where there was some resolution. It took about 5 years of paperwork and reports to get a federal prosecutor off their ass and do their job. Alien smuggling wasn’t enough, not drugs, not counterfeiting, not money laundering, not murder, what finally got them off their sorry ass was the fact that some illegal might have been getting held against their will in a stash house. So I would say anything goes with them. I know I have been called on the carpet before for telling them I think of them when they declined prosecution on a case.


Horned Toad, what you are doing here is trying to associate all prosecutors together because of your experience with one. Is that fair? I take it that you are a LEO- would you like to be classified with the LEO's that are crooks? Over on Arfcom right now there is a cop bashing fest over a LEO that ejaculated all over a woman that he pulled over on a traffic stop. Would you like to be lumped in with that? That is not fair to you is it?

I'm a fan of the To Catch a Predator Dateline specials, a number of LEO have been busted (one is coming up this week) and a number of mil have been caught, included a Marine sniper and several officers- is the rest of the military guilty by association?

Now I'll be the first to say that many prosecutors are crooked, I live in Texas, where half the elected DA's have gotten tossed for misconduct, I have personally seen misconduct, but that does not mean that ALL are crooked.


No clue, back to those missing years, back to what I think of federal prosecutors, that knuckle head in Texas Johnny Sutton looks like he sure made some great calls lately, up to at least 13 people murdered because of his bad decisions. Two federal Agents in prison. And that is in Texas now picture California. Sutton may be state but I haven’t seen any difference between any of them as far as job performance.

This is off topic but I live in this jurisdiction, I watched the day to day media coverage, and I have read the trial transcripts. Now if you don't have the basic facts- Sutton is US Atty for the Western District of Texas not a district attorney, it is quite hard to use it to argue your point isn't it?
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digitalrebelttu said:
Horned Toad, what you are doing here is trying to associate all prosecutors together because of your experience with one. Is that fair? I take it that you are a LEO- would you like to be classified with the LEO's that are crooks? Over on Arfcom right now there is a cop bashing fest over a LEO that ejaculated all over a woman that he pulled over on a traffic stop. Would you like to be lumped in with that? That is not fair to you is it?

I'm a fan of the To Catch a Predator Dateline specials, a number of LEO have been busted (one is coming up this week) and a number of mil have been caught, included a Marine sniper and several officers- is the rest of the military guilty by association?

Now I'll be the first to say that many prosecutors are crooked, I live in Texas, where half the elected DA's have gotten tossed for misconduct, I have personally seen misconduct, but that does not mean that ALL are crooked.



This is off topic but I live in this jurisdiction, I watched the day to day media coverage, and I have read the trial transcripts. Now if you don't have the basic facts- Sutton is US Atty for the Western District of Texas not a district attorney, it is quite hard to use it to argue your point isn't it?
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As far as Sutton, I said that I thought he was state. But his brig screw up that is coming to light now also involved a lot of feds.

Spark asked me based on my experience. I replied based on my experience. And I have not had problems with just one federal DA it’s been bunches. You want to smuggle people or dope do it in Cochise County, nothing happens. The threshold for dope right now is 250 pounds. Smuggle under that and you can hardly get anyone to prosecute federal, state, or local.

Got a link to the news article, I rarely go to arfcom, they don’t seem to have a very good rep on the web but I do like to check out new AR parts there every now and then
 
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