Spark crossed a line

lifter4Him said:
Most of this stuff is hilarious.
To the guy posting complaining about Michelle making judgements on men, ease up on those roids, havent you lost enough already? Dont you get tired of losing? You've spent the last 5 years on a witch hunt against M.A., M.S., and one or two others, and have come up losing each time. Let the hate go man, it's killing you.

As for pownet they have their own problems and are under their own investigations and they have nothing to do with the military directly as far as I know.


Let me preface what I am about to say by saying I have been around all the forums a long time, I believe I have friends on most of the forums even though USN is where I reside, and I can tell you there is alot more to the story on both sides that has not been made public and is not my place to do so now. However, to those who have been so morally outraged, you should stop and think for a minute why so many respected knifemakers(that is, competitors for knife dollars) as well as so many military veterans come out publicly defending Mick Strider.

This is TOTALLY my own personal opinion.
One of the smartest things Mick has done is not respond in any of the recent threads, including Sparks.
Why should he? He doesnt owe anyone here anything.
He's not a member of this forum, his company doesnt have a forum here, and neither Spark nor probably 99% of his critics buy his knives so why should he answer here? There is nothing to be gained by it.
As I said on the first page of Spark's thread, I believe Mick has done what he felt he needed to do(i.e., apology, explanations, etc) with his friends and family and has moved on from all the old drama.
It takes character not to be drawn back into the past and play in the mud.

Spark owns this forum and has the right to post anything he wants to.
And just as true, Strider has the right to ignore it and just keep on being succesful.

To those who predicted Strider Knives demise in the other thread, sorry but Strider knives are more popular than ever, will continue to grow for many years to come, and they will keep on making some of the best damn knives around.
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OK baby, whatever makes a Groupie Hot. I am a little bit suprised that any real Vets still suck up.....whatever. Whatever IS IS seems to work nowadays.
 
lifter4Him said:
However, to those who have been so morally outraged, you should stop and think for a minute why so many respected knifemakers(that is, competitors for knife dollars) as well as so many military veterans come out publicly defending Mick Strider.
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Yeah, screw the original Strider quotes (remember, he didn't lie to my face), because if my wiser, better, cooler and more awesome bros tell me so, that should be good enough for me... :rolleyes:

I've joined the international knife community a few years ago, stumbled over these magnificient Strider knives, read many things about them, about "da man!", how awesome he and his knives are, Mogadishu (Wow, I watched Blackhawk Down so many times!) and came to the conclusion, that I have to have a piece of all this awesomeness that surrounds him and his community. I was young and naive. I even got this funny, untrue American Handgunner article scan via Email - WITHOUT the corrections!
I bought one of his overpriced knives - and a year later, as soon as I found out what kind of guy Strider really is (or seems to be), I sold it again. Well I lost some money through this tour.

The Strider community (I'm not talking about a specific forum, this is general!) is full of liars, I wouldn't even associate with you again, if you fucking begged me! I know much better people than you can or will ever be! You lost your moral highgrounds a long time ago.
You're doing all this on purpose. There is a system behind this kind of marketing. Yes, Strider's "yes and amen" community is his marketing. Laugh all you want, you know it's true. :barf:

When someone makes a thread about a Strider RCC screwing up during an arrest (lock failed, knife looks like shit after unsuccessfully trying to break a window with it) and people hardly dare to not comment this with "Striders rock!" - you begin to see the tip of this stinking iceberg. Do I have to state the obvious here? The words of a rabid Strider fan aren't worth jack!


Anyone here who'd like to explore the world of Strider? Don't tell me I didn't warn you afterwards! :thumbdn:
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
Yes, he is. . .
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No, he's not. He said goodbye and left a good while ago.

Stevetexas, I aint your baby.
Yes, the real vets invite him to the Ranger reunions every year, even after all these "investigations". Think he has them fooled?

As for arnie, who definitely isnt a doc, he's been crying on a multitude of forums all over the internet from watches to lights to knives and has been told to be quiet on most all of them. Really a pathetic character.

See any and all of you at the Blade show. I wear a big name tag.
Do not misconstrue that as any kind of threat, it isnt, I dont do that. Just meant as a statement of being more than just a figment of someones keyboard, like so many others.

Seeya.
 
lifter4Him said:
As for arnie, who definitely isnt a doc,
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I never said I was a doc. Never. I already cleared up that my nickname has a different background. I'm not even selling stuff.
Also my name is not Arnie. It's Arne. What name is on your drivers license? "Lifter"?


lifter4Him said:
he's been crying on a multitude of forums all over the internet from watches to lights to knives and has been told to be quiet on most all of them. Really a pathetic character.
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Huh? The subject was brought up at CPF (I didn't start it - and I registered there years ago). Someone said it's all crap, I gave my opinion and said that everyone can make up his own mind.
The mod wanted to stop the discussion and told everyone to shut up.
Another thread was started (again, not by me), and it was closed after some hooligans from the Strider community registered there just to bully.
That's all. What has this to do with watches? What multitude of forums are you talking about?
And you have the nerve to call me a pathetic character?
It's almost scary, you really seem to believe what you are saying. I won't even have to loose a night of sleep over this. Everyone can see for himself what I'm talking about... :)
 
lifter4Him said:
... However, to those who have been so morally outraged, you should stop and think for a minute why so many respected knifemakers(that is, competitors for knife dollars) as well as so many military veterans come out publicly defending Mick Strider.
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Now that you mention it, I was curious when Tom Mayo posted on this Bladeforums that he knew Mick Strider was the real deal, cause Mick was a combat vet and had a chestful of medals to prove it.

This is completely false as we now know.

How did Tom Mayo get that impression? He has been as silent as Mick since the truth came out. Did Mick lie to him, either directly, or by omission? Did Tom ever see Mick's medals?

So when I see that all these vets and knifemakers support Mick, I think that speaks to a part of his character. I've heard many people here speak of his generosity and loyalty. Which makes it such a shame that Mick apparently is an inveterate liar. If he just came out and said straight up what's what no one would have a beef. Instead, he's now taking a siesta from the internet so that all his friends can duck and dive for him. And that says alot about his character as well.
 
Lifter, quick question for you: Do you really believe that despite the draft being gone since the 70's, the Army being an all volunteer force, and even after the Federal Sentencing Guidelines were posted, that Mick Strider was telling the truth when he said he was going to be sentenced to a year in Somalia? Or is that "just a figment of someones keyboard, like so many others" to use your own words... Because I'm still really curious what kind of judge would be eager to get a spinal damaged E1 that went AWOL and was barred from re-enlistment back into the Army after 6 years as punishment for a carjacking felony, you know, despite the sentencing guidelines and his lack of special skills and such.

Quite frankly, that's not an even remotely plausible lie, much less a believable one. And if he's willing to lie about that, lie about his combat experience, and lie about his record... well, what are you saying? That we should take his word on anything?
 
Not to put this thread back on topic, but Spark you crossed a line when you made Bladeforums, and now I blame you for the time lost on this forum.

And I lose plenty because BFC rocks! :thumbup: :D
 
To set the record straight, Mick is a member here, username "Mick Strider." If he chooses these days to avoid forums where he can't delete any question he doesn't want to answer that is his choice. He has not been barred from posting here.
 
lifter4Him said:
One of the smartest things Mick has done is not respond in any of the recent threads, including Sparks.
Why should he? He doesnt owe anyone here anything.
He's not a member of this forum, his company doesnt have a forum here, and neither Spark nor probably 99% of his critics buy his knives so why should he answer here? There is nothing to be gained by it.
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But ... he does post random BS every now and then - perhaps not directly in reposnse to this thread but his most recent claims aren't more than few months old (considering that they refer to a time period more than one decade ago that's quite fresh, wouldn't you agree ?).

IIRC he is a member here.

Why should he post his silly claims indeed ? Ask him, not Spark (or anybody else who calls MS out on his BS). Why post so many silly claims only to have to revoke them on court order - sounds unreasonable, doesn't it ... yet it didn't stop MS from posting more nonsense.
 
lifter4Him said:
This is TOTALLY my own personal opinion.
One of the smartest things Mick has done is not respond in any of the recent threads, including Sparks.
Why should he? He doesnt owe anyone here anything.
He's not a member of this forum, his company doesnt have a forum here, and neither Spark nor probably 99% of his critics buy his knives so why should he answer here? There is nothing to be gained by it.
As I said on the first page of Spark's thread, I believe Mick has done what he felt he needed to do(i.e., apology, explanations, etc) with his friends and family and has moved on from all the old drama.
It takes character not to be drawn back into the past and play in the mud.
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I totally agree. But for different reasons. If Mick came here and told the truth about his Military career, whatever that may be, whatever is left of the Mick Strider Mystique would be gone. Currently it's still somewhat intact, why would he want to remove any doubts from someone's mind who hasn't decided where they stand yet? As long as he doesn't clear this stuff up he's gonna have to live with getting called to the mat over his own comments again and again. Like I said on the BL about the QC issue, there's really only one man who can fix this. And he isn't.

And I also support Spark in this matter. Seems like Spark hasn't backed down from his original questions even in the face of all this crap and he deserves some credit for it.:thumbup:
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Faramir - His most recent claims are barely 3 weeks old, if that. He was making the Somalia claim on the 6th of this month. Now he's saying he has PTSD (from what is a mystery since he's never been in combat). Seriously, where does one draw the line and recognize that he's not being truthful?
 
lifter4Him said:
See any and all of you at the Blade show. I wear a big name tag.
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Will it read: "lifter4him"? It's an appropriate name BTW. Mick ducks out of sight, and you (and others) are doing the heavy lifting.
 
I don't think the "Him" in Lifters screen name refers to Mick. LOL if it did.

Its the other 'Him' I'm pretty sure. You know> JC.

STR
 
OilMan said:
And I also support Spark in this matter. Seems like Spark hasn't backed down from his original questions even in the face of all this crap and he deserves some credit for it.:thumbup:
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Credit for stirring something up again that was hashed out a year ago? All the information was availble then. Still don't understand why Spark thinks it his place to make this an issue again. All this "new" information was/is avalible. So why bring it out again?

Why would Strider come here to defend himself? So he could be dog piled? Hell the original thread was about Spark crossing a line. Its his forum, he can do what he wants. But don't be surprised if some are unhappy with the way this was done.
 
maestrodawg1 said:
Credit for stirring something up again that was hashed out a year ago? All the information was availble then. Still don't understand why Spark thinks it his place to make this an issue again. All this "new" information was/is avalible. So why bring it out again?
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Hashed out by who? You? Another forum that doesn't allow general viewing? Perhaps people who don't belong to the Secret Squirrel Society would like to know the answers too. And judging by the mass of people who didn't know about the issue at all I'd say it isn't remotely hashed out. Just more smoke and mirrors. IMHO

ps. If it was hashed out over a year ago why is it so hard to re-answer the same questions?
 
Still don't understand why Spark thinks it his place to make this an issue again
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Why does Spark or anyone else need justification to come here or go somewhere else and start a new thread? It gets done everyday. You do it. I do it. What needs to be justified? He responded to questions brought up on a public forum by posting about it on a public forum. I don't understand this question by you. I hear it a lot from the cult following behind MS though because its an effective smoke screen to take away from the real issue.

Here is a question for you and the rest of the blind. What is it when you have all of the following?


Obsessive, especially faddish, blind devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing.
The object of such devotion.
An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest.

I could ask that same thing about Lifter4Him as just one example. What makes him think its his place to come here and defend Mick? Maybe now you can see how ridiculous your question is regarding Spark.

STR
 
maestrodawg1 said:
Credit for stirring something up again that was hashed out a year ago? All the information was availble then. Still don't understand why Spark thinks it his place to make this an issue again. All this "new" information was/is avalible. So why bring it out again?

Why would Strider come here to defend himself? So he could be dog piled? Hell the original thread was about Spark crossing a line. Its his forum, he can do what he wants. But don't be surprised if some are unhappy with the way this was done.
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I already answered this. I first saw the Somalia claims this month, and Mick Strider made those claims on the 6th. That prompted me to dig further, which lead me to the TacticalForums threads. That led me to dig further, which resulted in all the other thread.

This hasn't been "hashed" out, because I can't find anyone else who's raised the question about Mick Strider's suppossed sentence to Somalia as a fabrication, and it's only brought more questions forward now.
 
i think STR has nailed it ... there is no logic when dealing with a cult following.. even after this died down and the thread slipped off te main page, Spark the messenger is still held to blame ...


i'm wondering why the people attacking Spark's motives for exposing the lies aren't questioning Mr Strider's motives for spinning those lies in the first place?
 
It sure doesn't take long for these threads to turn into a battle between the detractors and defenders, does it?

One thing I will say, good or bad, threads like this sure do keep the Strider name fresh in everybody's mind.
 
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