Spyderco Carbon Fiber?

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Nullity said:
I am disappointed that what was called "carbon fiber" is not what I thought it was. Ignorance is bliss. ;)

An industry definition that never trickled down to the consumer level? Confusion? Miscommunication? Lack of details?
I dunno.

Either way, I see nothing sinister here.



CrimsonTideShooter, I went and searched the forum and saw a post from Sal in February of this year saying "As more and more carbon fiber entered the market, variations abound. Now some of our knives are made with carbon only, some are a mix with G-10, some are not even carbon fiber, but glass fiber with no carbon in the layup."

It's vague as to which knives use the CF/G10 mix, but the statement is pretty clear.
Be careful calling out people like Sal. :)
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The whole point of this thread was to know WHICH models specifically used which materials. I'm not prepared to make any sweeping statements like "its never been said before" and god knows Sal has ~9K posts at the time I'm writing this, and isn't the only person representing spyderco, so I'm not prepared to read every possible post say he has never specifically stated which either, but again clearly this was not common knowledge. It has come up in a few other threads I've seen, and which models specifically carried which type of carbon I have not seen named by Spyderco. Thats what this thread was about. All this sniping, counter sniping, chest beating, reputation claiming...... its not helpful. Neither are the people running around just looking to be offended. Again lets revisit the first page.

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Ok that was just the first page of members claiming that it was not G10. Some members did know, others were simply unaware. Clearly previous clarification was insufficient. That statement includes zero reputation bashing, finger pointing, spyder smushing, or anything else like that its a simple statement of fact. You can interpret that fact however you like, but that doesn't change it.

So is that enough sniping? I think issues regarding CTS and S35vn have been rehashed sufficiently that they needn't be dragged into this thread making it more contentious.
 
hunterseeker5 said:
The whole point of this thread was to know WHICH models specifically used which materials. I'm not prepared to make any sweeping statements like "its never been said before" and god knows Sal has ~9K posts at the time I'm writing this, and isn't the only person representing spyderco, so I'm not prepared to read every possible post say he has never specifically stated which either, but again clearly this was not common knowledge. It has come up in a few other threads I've seen, and which models specifically carried which type of carbon I have not seen named by Spyderco. Thats what this thread was about. All this sniping, counter sniping, chest beating, reputation claiming...... its not helpful. Neither are the people running around just looking to be offended. Again lets revisit the first page.

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Ok that was just the first page of members claiming that it was not G10. Some members did know, others were simply unaware. Clearly previous clarification was insufficient. That statement includes zero reputation bashing, finger pointing, spyder smushing, or anything else like that its a simple statement of fact. You can interpret that fact however you like, but that doesn't change it.

So is that enough sniping? I think issues regarding CTS and S35vn have been rehashed sufficiently that they needn't be dragged into this thread making it more contentious.
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We're all ignorant of something. :)
I surely learned something new in this thread. I never meant to imply this was a worthless thread.

My point with CTS was that the information was out there to be found prior to this thread by simply searching Sal's posts for "carbon fiber". (On Spyderco's official forum.)
Whether or not it was common knowledge... well, I guess that depends on how vital the information was.
The level of importance for this knowledge seems to vary wildly from person to person.
 
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When you claimed CPM-S35V was a bad steel, you created quite an uproar. Niagara was involved, Crucible was involved, we stopped production and did extensive testing. Cost a lot of people a lot of time and money to follow up your statement. As it turned out, nothing was wrong with the steel.





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I know it was directed at John, but I decided to ring in since it's a steel thing. :)

With CPM S35VN being a new kid on the block I believe there are still more questions than there are answers and those will be hashed out over time as we all see more models and the HT and tempering process is tweaked as what usually happens as time goes on. :)

S35VN is a good steel IMO, it does what Crucible said it would do and that in the end is really what matters and only time will tell what happens in the future.

Is S35VN a good replacement for S30V?

I believe the jury is still out on that one personally and over time choices will be made by both makers and end users. :)
 
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Jim, you just summed up an idea that I haven't get been able to articulate for some reason. S35VM may have been performing exactly as intended, but since my mind was focused on "replacement of S30V" I naturally thought that it was doing a poor job.

So, S35VN may be performing at its best. But as a replacement of S30V it is doing a poor job, at least in my humble opinion. :)
 
CrimsonTideShooter said:
Jim, you just summed up an idea that I haven't get been able to articulate for some reason. S35VM may have been performing exactly as intended, but since my mind was focused on "replacement of S30V" I naturally thought that it was doing a poor job.

So, S35VN may be performing at its best. But as a replacement of S30V it is doing a poor job, at least in my humble opinion. :)
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John,

I have my own opinions also and they are mostly along the lines of why are they really replacing S30V in the 1st place and if they are why not use CPM 154, a steel that has a solid reputation of performance that accomplishes EXACTLY the same thing that S35VN is supposed to do. So in effect we have a new steel that we really don't NEED per-say because we already have S30V and CPM 154 so why have a 3rd steel from the same manufacturer that's in the same general performance category as the other 2?

That is just mind blowing for me personally......
 
Ankerson said:
John,

I have my own opinions also and they are mostly along the lines of why are they really replacing S30V in the 1st place and if they are why not use CPM 154, a steel that has a solid reputation of performance that accomplishes EXACTLY the same thing that S35VN is supposed to do. So in effect we have a new steel that we really don't NEED per-say because we already have S30V and CPM 154 so why have a 3rd steel from the same manufacturer that's in the same general performance category as the other 2?

That is just mind blowing for me personally......
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Because people like choices.
Choices aren't always about being better. Sometimes it is just about having another choice for the hell of it.:)
 
stabman said:
Because people like choices.
Choices aren't always about being better. Sometimes it is just about having another choice for the hell of it.:)
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I have my own opinion on that and it has more to do the the politics of the knife industry so I will keep it to myself. ;)

I really don't want the thread to go viral. LOL
 
Ankerson said:
John,

I have my own opinions also and they are mostly along the lines of why are they really replacing S30V in the 1st place and if they are why not use CPM 154, a steel that has a solid reputation of performance that accomplishes EXACTLY the same thing that S35VN is supposed to do. So in effect we have a new steel that we really don't NEED per-say because we already have S30V and CPM 154 so why have a 3rd steel from the same manufacturer that's in the same general performance category as the other 2?

That is just mind blowing for me personally......
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Definitely good points and food for thought. I personally love CPM-154. Wish it was used more often.
 
Looks good no matter what IMO...
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Since I put some super glue on the lamination edges mine looks better than yours , JJ !

A more refined more Teolish look if you will.:cool:


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