Spyderco Carbon Fiber?

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FCM415 said:
Yeah but some wont be satisfied till the world burns...They like the conflict, and to comment about how everyone are trolls other than them. It's doesn't even have to be the problem being discussed and solved anymore.
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I am plenty satisfied:):):) Truth was revealed..plain and simple. I know that can be a hard pill for some to swallow.
I have a few of the knives in question. Am I disappointed to find out they are laminate?...yes, I suppose I am. Do I still like the knives?..Yes I do. Will I still enjoy carrying and using them?... Yes I will. My Sage is clipped to my pocket right now.
 
The few who were acting like this was a Spyderco insider secret never to be known to the public and are now somehow exposed and that they will never buy a Spyderco ever again was indeed a little over the top, but the truth about a handle scale on a cutting tool shouldn't be tough to swallow for anyone that's for sure. I am plenty satisfied as well. We have the answer to the question, we hear sal's position as to why they were labeled as such, the catalog next year will describe the laminate materials, those that aren't satisfied with it can get a full refund direct from Spyderco, and those who like to leave comments just stroke their perceived self righteousness are left with little else to say.
 
10 pages and still going. Maybe it's my simple mind, but I think it might have been easier to just go over to the Spyderco forum and ask me. We do have some proprietary information, but I don't think that Spyderco has anything to hide from our customers. Our company culture is based on transparency.

sal
 
Sal Glesser said:
10 pages and still going. Maybe it's my simple mind, but I think it might have been easier to just go over to the Spyderco forum and ask me. We do have some proprietary information, but I don't think that Spyderco has anything to hide from our customers. Our company culture is based on transparency.

sal
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Sal, respectfully, I can point out at least 3 threads on your forum that have expressly asked you this question before. You did post, but it was so vague that it really answered nothing.
 
CTS, respectfully, my reputation for honesty and follow up is not so bad.

When you claimed CPM-S35V was a bad steel, you created quite an uproar. Niagara was involved, Crucible was involved, we stopped production and did extensive testing. Cost a lot of people a lot of time and money to follow up your statement. As it turned out, nothing was wrong with the steel.

I know you're young, I respect your intelligence and involvement. You are studying to be a doctor, aren't you? Good profession. I believe you will be a good doctor.

Sometimes the solution is easily found.

sal

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The opposite of war isn't peace, it's trade.
 
I am disappointed that what was called "carbon fiber" is not what I thought it was. Ignorance is bliss. ;)

An industry definition that never trickled down to the consumer level? Confusion? Miscommunication? Lack of details?
I dunno.

Either way, I see nothing sinister here.



CrimsonTideShooter, I went and searched the forum and saw a post from Sal in February of this year saying "As more and more carbon fiber entered the market, variations abound. Now some of our knives are made with carbon only, some are a mix with G-10, some are not even carbon fiber, but glass fiber with no carbon in the layup."

It's vague as to which knives use the CF/G10 mix, but the statement is pretty clear.
Be careful calling out people like Sal. :)
 
I don't think CTS meant harm. I think he's seeking truth as many of us do. That's what doctors do. My personal philosophy is, "To be as consistent as the sun and transparent as the air". I'm pretty simple in many ways and that works well for me. Clarity is prime.

sal
 
Sal Glesser said:
I don't think CTS meant harm. I think he's seeking truth as many of us do. That's what doctors do. My personal philosophy is, "To be as consistent as the sun and transparent as the air". I'm pretty simple in many ways and that works well for me. Clarity is prime.

sal
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I am definitely very sorry that I cost you money. Hopefully I have made at least some sales for you through my YT channel. I know that doesn't negate the money you spent, though. The whole S35VN thing is a bit of a mystery. A few people have done independent tests and gotten close to the same results I got. Maybe that's just how that steel performs, or maybe there is something else happening? Either way, I've been trying to mitigate that ordeal for a while now, just because it's been talked about to death. It was definitely a learning experience for me, though.

I like you a lot Sal, and I hope that my rumblings on the forums haven't made you think less of me as a person. See you at blade. :)
 
After 10 pages and 188 threads I now know more about carbon fiber than I need to.

I bought my Sage 1 because I liked it's looks, including the "nice carbon fiber scales". After using it for a few months I really love it. Now I find out the scales are actually "CF laminate".

Guess what? I still love it. It still has "nice carbon fiber scales". Nothing's changed for me.


Sal,
Your offer to replace or refund it is kind. But I respectfully decline. One of my three grandsons will have this knife someday.

John Nichols
 
CTS is probably making money for Spyderco as well, just recently watched the demo showing the dull to sharp process on the Sharp Maker. Great video man.
 
Nullity said:
I am disappointed that what was called "carbon fiber" is not what I thought it was. Ignorance is bliss. ;)

An industry definition that never trickled down to the consumer level? Confusion? Miscommunication? Lack of details?
I dunno.

Either way, I see nothing sinister here.



CrimsonTideShooter, I went and searched the forum and saw a post from Sal in February of this year saying "As more and more carbon fiber entered the market, variations abound. Now some of our knives are made with carbon only, some are a mix with G-10, some are not even carbon fiber, but glass fiber with no carbon in the layup."

It's vague as to which knives use the CF/G10 mix, but the statement is pretty clear.
Be careful calling out people like Sal. :)
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That was not me "calling him out." It was just a reply to his post.

Yeah, Sal owns Spyderco, but he's also just a regular dude like you and me. I don't think having a conversation with him just like I would everyone else is out of line. :)
 
Spyderco knives are admirable in many ways. When I look at pretty much any of the Golden made knives I'm fairly awestruck at its design, materials, build and price.

As a young boy I always carried a knife. I tinkered all the time. I rolled around in the hills. I played "Army." In Jr. high I bought a Leatherman and carried that for years. At 20, two friends & I were mugged by 5-6 extraordinarily upset gangster dudes. The next day I bought my first modern folding knife, a CRKT. It was 1997. In 2001 I found Bladeforums. I discovered what was available and indeed learned what my preferences could be. I have not forgotten what it is like to be a guy that just wants a good knife to use until I lose or break it and move on. For me though - there's definitely more to it!

THE. SINGLE. most important aspect I've learned since being here is to support preferably USA made & definitely In-House made knives. The more we support that, the more it will grow! I'd love to be able to just pop over to a local knife maker some day!

There's a certain level of obvious, & obviously ignored, BS with outsourced products. I'm not a fan of cutting corners. Outsourcing is a slap in the face of a cut corner.

Some people will say "You get what you pay for." But that's not true. What IS true is "You don't get what you don't pay for."
 
CrimsonTideShooter said:
That was not me "calling him out." It was just a reply to his post.

Yeah, Sal owns Spyderco, but he's also just a regular dude like you and me. I don't think having a conversation with him just like I would everyone else is out of line. :)
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When I was saying "people like Sal", I meant people who have earned respect.
You said his answers were vague and practically answered nothing and I had a different opinion.

Forgive me if I've misinterpreted your post or misused any phrases. :)
 
CrimsonTideShooter said:
I am definitely very sorry that I cost you money. Hopefully I have made at least some sales for you through my YT channel. I know that doesn't negate the money you spent, though. The whole S35VN thing is a bit of a mystery. A few people have done independent tests and gotten close to the same results I got. Maybe that's just how that steel performs, or maybe there is something else happening? Either way, I've been trying to mitigate that ordeal for a while now, just because it's been talked about to death. It was definitely a learning experience for me, though.

I like you a lot Sal, and I hope that my rumblings on the forums haven't made you think less of me as a person. See you at blade. :)
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You whole test wasn't exactly throughout and scientific. It was a single blade in a single test. There wasn't exactly a sample size to make a big conclusion other than a possible lemon in metallurgy or heat-treat that tends to happen.
 
Free2game said:
You whole test wasn't exactly throughout and scientific. It was a single blade in a single test. There wasn't exactly a sample size to make a big conclusion other than a possible lemon in metallurgy or heat-treat that tends to happen.
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I believe he tested more than one blade and from different manufacturers... but let's not derail this sucker just yet. ;)
 
Why is the thread now going off topic. It wasn't about steel. The OP simply wanted to know what his handles were made of.
We now have our answer. It was a very informative thread.

Sal has said he will properly describe the handle material in future Catalogs, and that should be the end of it IMO.

Lets please not attach anyone here, and just let this go.
 
Free2game said:
You whole test wasn't exactly throughout and scientific. It was a single blade in a single test. There wasn't exactly a sample size to make a big conclusion other than a possible lemon in metallurgy or heat-treat that tends to happen.
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I tested 4 different blades from 4 different makers, 3 of those on video. 2 of those were Rockwell tested.

If you'd like to discuss this further then take it to PM. :)
 
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