Spyderco Fakes & Knock Offs Info

I saw a new one (to me at least) on Ali Express, the ever present military and para militaries have now been joined by Enduras with orange scales being touted as ZDP-189 folding knife outdoor tools.
 
nzgunnie said:
I saw a new one (to me at least) on Ali Express, the ever present military and para militaries have now been joined by Enduras with orange scales being touted as ZDP-189 folding knife outdoor tools.
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These A-HOLES are trying to make it impossible to buy without the nagging worry of whether or not your purchase is real. Not real good for the economy, I might add. Somehow I don't think they care about that either. :mad:
 
This seller sells tons of fakes in all makes/models. They don't always mention their name in the listing - I think that this helps him skirt by. Here is the link to one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-New-G10-H...770?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item3398073322


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Ali Xpress is now makong/selling FAKE Spyderco Vallatton, Civilian, Schempp rock, Ambitious and a weak version of the Lil' Temperance.

the Vallatton is a very good fake. It's the g10 and the lanyard pipe that gives it away

Although i do really like what they did with this g10.

 
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I got this one recently,but I'm suspicious.I opened a thread about it already but I think this section of the forum is the right one for these matters.My concerns are the size of the Sal Glesser logo and the torx screw.
 
I admit I am too lazy to read all 34 pages.....even if they do contain very nice photographs. <g> Is there a way the unwary can learn a fake Spyderco is a fake? Other than looking at the knife closely for obvious shortcomings, etc. I purchase nearly all my knives from eBay, and generally assume these are genuine, but I also check the seller's reviews, return policy, etc. But surely there is someway to verify before one buys? Knock on wood, I have not been fooled yet.....but I've only bought around 20 knives........

Thanks.
 
Some people say that the weight of the counterfeit knives is never the same of the authentic ones.That probaly makes sense,since different steels have probably different densities.
 
Chrysoberyl said:
Some people say that the weight of the counterfeit knives is never the same of the authentic ones.That probaly makes sense,since different steels have probably different densities.
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They do? I don't intend to be rude, I'm really wondering.
 
Yes,even though the differences are not big.For example,if you check the Crucible page they offer all the specs about their products. S30v has a density of 7.47 g/cm3, 440A 7.75, 154CM 7.78,and so on.
 
SharpShooter901 said:
I admit I am too lazy to read all 34 pages.....even if they do contain very nice photographs. <g> Is there a way the unwary can learn a fake Spyderco is a fake? Other than looking at the knife closely for obvious shortcomings, etc. I purchase nearly all my knives from eBay, and generally assume these are genuine, but I also check the seller's reviews, return policy, etc. But surely there is someway to verify before one buys? Knock on wood, I have not been fooled yet.....but I've only bought around 20 knives........

Thanks.
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Um....you might want to give the whole thread a read if this is really that important to you. Different models have different ways to tell. Further, the source from which you buy is by far the most defining factor. Buy from a reputable dealer.
 
craytab said:
Um....you might want to give the whole thread a read if this is really that important to you. Different models have different ways to tell. Further, the source from which you buy is by far the most defining factor. Buy from a reputable dealer.
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I'm probably okay then. The sellers from whom I buy on eBay have a good reputation, at least according to my research. And I tend to stick with the ones I trust. My interests in Spydercos is in the less expensive models, those under about $100 retail, and I believe the crooks are trying to fake the rarer or more expensive knives. There is not too much profit counterfeiting a $50 knife compared to a $200 knife.
 
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I'm probably okay then. The sellers from whom I buy on eBay have a good reputation, at least according to my research. And I tend to stick with the ones I trust. My interests in Spydercos is in the less expensive models, those under about $100 retail, and I believe the crooks are trying to fake the rarer or more expensive knives. There is not too much profit counterfeiting a $50 knife compared to a $200 knife.
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Nope. You should read the thread. Even on this very page there is reference to a fake ambitious. The Dragon fly is also one of the most faked. And with out a doubt the most faked would be the PM2 which new is <$120.

When you fake a $50 knife that cost pennies to make, there is plenty of profit.

Knowledge is power my friend. Assume nothing. Because you know what that does....
 
Well, you have given me plans for a boring, cold winters night when my current book is finished. :cool:

I really doubt anyone could make a fake $50 (if not fake) knife for pennies, but I get your point. On the Dragonfly (BTW, your two word reference phrase is an "fake" because it's correctly just "Dragonfly"!):rolleyes:

Thanks.
 
This entire thread is about fakes. Listing them. Spotting them. Etc. To skip reading defeats the purpose of your goal. So if you want to know about fakes then read the thread. Same concept with all things in life. You want to learn math. Pick up a math book. Etc. Lol

Also I find it extremely doubtful that people can tell the different between the real and fake by picking them up and judging the weight. 0.1 and 0.01 grams is near impossible to feel. Furthermore spyderco gives the weight in ounces. And sometimes even the real ones aren't the same weight as what's listed. More of grind on one than another can change the weight.
 
I think I'd rather have a fake Sebenza, then I would a fake Spyderco. The former can sit in the safe where it belongs and look real. ;)
 
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Well, you have given me plans for a boring, cold winters night when my current book is finished. :cool:

I really doubt anyone could make a fake $50 (if not fake) knife for pennies, but I get your point. On the Dragonfly (BTW, your two word reference phrase is an "fake" because it's correctly just "Dragonfly"!):rolleyes:

Thanks.
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Well, instead of nit picking my post you should read the thread. You are the one who came on here asking us for a short and dirty way to tell a fake. Read the damn thread fella.

Like ShepardCC said, if you want to learn about fakes, you need to learn about fakes. If you think it is boring and not worth your time, fine, but don't come on here and ask us to do your work for you, that is lazy. The first line in your first post is correct. Good luck to you sir!
 
"Well, instead of nit picking my post you should read the thread. You are the one who came on here asking us for a short and dirty way to tell a fake. Read the damn thread fella.
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Jeez, what brought that on? My joke about the Dragonfly spelling? Sorry if I offended you, but that was not my intent, hence the "smilie" which I hoped would make my intent clear. Obviously I was not successful and I apologize.

BTW, after I read your post, I did go through and read this entire thread. Interesting, especially all the references to eBay and their policies, etc. I use eBay a lot. I see a lot of folks here are good photographers also; there are some terrific photos.

Man, I cannot believe how my post was totally misinterpreted.....my comment about the "cold winter night" was implying that reading this thread from the beginning would alleviate my boredom, not cause it.

Sorry for the miscommunication....guess I'll just keep my mouth shut and just read! :cool:
 
SharpShooter901 said:

BTW, after I read your post, I did go through and read this entire thread. Interesting, especially all the references to eBay and their policies, etc. I use eBay a lot. I see a lot of folks here are good photographers also; there are some terrific photos.
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Well there you go. Thanks for taking the advice of others and myself. The only way to learn about something is to read up on it.

No need to keep your mouth shut.

But when you come in and ask a question and are given a very easy answer by several folks, maybe take the advice. Rather, you continued to post reasons why you don't need to read the thread, when actually those very reasons are why you should read the thread. Examples of what you said are: 1) counterfeiters not making fakes of less expensive models; well they are! 2) It taking more than pennies to make a $50 fake; how much do you think it costs a giant factory in China to make a dragon fly that they are selling for $6?

Glad you finally read the whole thread. Counterfeits are a very serious danger to the knife community and to Spyderco especially.
 
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