Spyderco Fakes & Knock Offs Info

kubelik said:
I've never been concerned about my own Spydercos since I only purchase through BHQ, but I gotta say your videos are fantastic. very thorough and very perceptive, a huge benefit to the Spyderco community.
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Thanx!

I have a Hungarian and Vallotton clones coming in any day now, those will be interesting for sure.

I also just got a Stainless Steel Southard clone I need to do next week.
 
Wish I would've read this thread last week. I just got scammed on eBay by a guy going by "2morereps". He is buying the para 2's off aliexpress for $25 then auctioning them off as authentic. I "won" an auction for $144. Hopefully I get a refund. I've not received the knife yet.
 
LukeTheSpook said:
Wish I would've read this thread last week. I just got scammed on eBay by a guy going by "2morereps". He is buying the para 2's off aliexpress for $25 then auctioning them off as authentic. I "won" an auction for $144. Hopefully I get a refund. I've not received the knife yet.
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I've seen his listings and knew immediately they were not legit. He often has several going at once. Beware.


I have no idea why you'd even bid on a PM2 at $144 though?!? Just go to KW or BHQ or something, damn...
 
SpeedHoles said:
I've seen his listings and knew immediately they were not legit. He often has several going at once. Beware.


I have no idea why you'd even bid on a PM2 at $144 though?!? Just go to KW or BHQ or something, damn...
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A lot of times that knife is Out of Stock everywhere. Makes a target rich environment for the hucksters.
 
SpeedHoles said:
Very true.
In that case the exchange here often has several...
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When I was trying to find one in CAMO I had a hell of a time getting it. It took months. When they get them, they sell out immediately. I had to sign up for notifications to finally get it. That helps these thieves get better than top dollar for them for sure.
 
les_garten said:
Thanx!

I have a Hungarian and Vallotton clones coming in any day now, those will be interesting for sure.

I also just got a Stainless Steel Southard clone I need to do next week.
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Okay, really dump question: Are any of these clones/fakes actually made from the steel they indicate? Or if not, as I suspect, what steels do they commonly use?
 
SharpShooter901 said:
Okay, really dump question: Are any of these clones/fakes actually made from the steel they indicate? Or if not, as I suspect, what steels do they commonly use?
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They are copying the labeling, so whatever the original says, theirs will say.

I've sent them questions asking about the steel.

The higher end ones like the Southards or ZT's may have D2.

Some other may have 8cr13mov or something similar, which is used by Spyderco on their "China" series.

Sometimes 440c.
 
les_garten said:
They are copying the labeling, so whatever the original says, theirs will say.

I've sent them questions asking about the steel.

The higher end ones like the Southards or ZT's may have D2.

Some other may have 8cr13mov or something similar, which is used by Spyderco on their "China" series.

Sometimes 440c.
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I'm suspecting these clones are an inside job. Sal was good enough to have his boxes made there, and I guess some of his knives? Anyway, I think once they figured out how things worked, and had originals to work with, making these forgery's was easy.
I further wouldn't expect to find the same materials or tempering in the fakes.
If they were that good, why wouldn't they just go into the knife making business themselves? :jerkit:
 
les_garten said:
They are copying the labeling, so whatever the original says, theirs will say.

I've sent them questions asking about the steel.

The higher end ones like the Southards or ZT's may have D2.

Some other may have 8cr13mov or something similar, which is used by Spyderco on their "China" series.

Sometimes 440c.
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Thanks. That's pretty much what I expected, that the steels are mainly the 8cr13mov or similar quality. Do the blades themselves say the real steel, or do they read what the real Spyderco knife uses? Seeing a Paramilitary 2 for instance, with a blade reading "8Cr13Mov' would be a giveaway that it's a fake.
 
SharpShooter901 said:
Thanks. That's pretty much what I expected, that the steels are mainly the 8cr13mov or similar quality. Do the blades themselves say the real steel, or do they read what the real Spyderco knife uses? Seeing a Paramilitary 2 for instance, with a blade reading "8Cr13Mov' would be a giveaway that it's a fake.
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None of them will have the real steel. If it is Elmax on the original, it will say Elmax on the clone.
 
"None of them will have the real steel. If it is Elmax on the original, it will say Elmax on the clone. "

Thanks. I just received a Paramilitary that I think MIGHT be a fake. I'm trying to find some good pointers on how to verify. That one I saw earlier on an Endura was good, I hope to find one on the PM also. Mine looks fine, but it's very stiff....I own about 20 Spydercos, and this is the first one that's hard to open. I tried loosening the torq screw on the pivot, but the screw on the other side rotated along with it. I will have to try to find another torq screw driver to hold that one stationary.
 
I became suspicious when opening the knife the first time. It's hard to open. Takes two hands. This "new" PM came with no box, but I bought it for a good price knowing that. The knife looks very, very good. I have looked on this forum and others trying to figure out if it's a fake. While I have maybe 20 Spyderco models, I have no other PM with which to compare.

The only thing I can find on the internet that makes me more suspicious is the areas circled on the photos below. Can someone please compare their Paramiltary 2 C-81 and see how they compare?

(I cannot figure out how to insert a photo, all that shows up is a small black box with an X in it, so below are links to the photos)

Note the area that's circled. None of the PM2s I see on the internet are plain in that area of the lock, they all have some sort of "jimping" there.
http://dropcanvas.com/o0rg4/1

In the second photo I've indicated the "sharp" part of the handle area around the lock. Many of the photos I've seen of real PM2's are more rounded than my PM is. However, this is not such a good indicator I don't think, as some of the photos on the 'net look pretty close to mine.
http://dropcanvas.com/o0rg4/2

If this is a fake, it's a really good one. If it weren't for the knife being hard to open, I'd think it were genuine and would have not doubted its authenticity.
 
The missing jimping behind the thumb ramp kind of screams fake. Also, the tang etching and Spyder hole placement seem off to me.
 
Lack of jimping on liners behind thumb ramp and the sharp edge on the scales behind the lock seem to indicate fake... :(
Can also check cutouts on the liners - should be 2 on the non lock liner. Angle of the jimping on the thumb ramp can also be checked...
 
SharpShooter901 said:
In the second photo I've indicated the "sharp" part of the handle area around the lock. Many of the photos I've seen of real PM2's are more rounded than my PM is. However, this is not such a good indicator I don't think, as some of the photos on the 'net look pretty close to mine.
http://dropcanvas.com/o0rg4/2

If this is a fake, it's a really good one. If it weren't for the knife being hard to open, I'd think it were genuine and would have not doubted its authenticity.
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Looks fake to me.

Refer to post #761 on the previous page for reference pictures.

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SharpShooter901 said:
I became suspicious when opening the knife the first time. It's hard to open. Takes two hands. This "new" PM came with no box, but I bought it for a good price knowing that. The knife looks very, very good. I have looked on this forum and others trying to figure out if it's a fake. While I have maybe 20 Spyderco models, I have no other PM with which to compare.

The only thing I can find on the internet that makes me more suspicious is the areas circled on the photos below. Can someone please compare their Paramiltary 2 C-81 and see how they compare?

(I cannot figure out how to insert a photo, all that shows up is a small black box with an X in it, so below are links to the photos)

Note the area that's circled. None of the PM2s I see on the internet are plain in that area of the lock, they all have some sort of "jimping" there.
http://dropcanvas.com/o0rg4/1

In the second photo I've indicated the "sharp" part of the handle area around the lock. Many of the photos I've seen of real PM2's are more rounded than my PM is. However, this is not such a good indicator I don't think, as some of the photos on the 'net look pretty close to mine.
http://dropcanvas.com/o0rg4/2

If this is a fake, it's a really good one. If it weren't for the knife being hard to open, I'd think it were genuine and would have not doubted its authenticity.
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My video covers a lot of these spots well.

You have a Fake there. Where did you get it?

My video is a little long but it covers all the salient points here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ5C2H_Vqj0

Your Torx hardware is fake as well.

Chinese new year has slowed down my Hungarian and Vallotton fakes.

:grumpy:
 
les_garten said:
My video covers a lot of these spots well.

You have a Fake there. Where did you get it?

My video is a little long but it covers all the salient points here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ5C2H_Vqj0

Your Torx hardware is fake as well.

Chinese new year has slowed down my Hungarian and Vallotton fakes.

:grumpy:
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Thanks. I did additional research on identifying a PM fake, and found most of the references you kind folks pointed out. The help and photos is appreciated.
I bought the knife from an honorable man who had bought the knife at an estate sale a while ago. He admitted to not knowing much about knives, hence the low price he asked. When I contacted him, he immediately issued a refund, and I've returned the knife already. I know it's "buyer beware" out there, and I am such a bargain hunter.......but I have learned much about fakes in the past week or so, mainly from reading this thread. For most all my online knife purchases, I rely on a well known online knife supplier that probably many of you here use....I don't think I'm supposed to mention their name. But occasionally I am really tempted by a great price! I have found several posters on eBay who "accidentally" post the wrong title and photo with a description that doesn't quite match the other two. I've pointed that out to them, and generally received a reply saying words such as "....ah, sorry to post error....must have slip by this one...". :mad:

I think I missed the part on your Hungarian and Vallotton fakes? You ordered fakes on purpose? For research I suspect? One thing that is so hard to verify is the steel used in the fakes. If someone were making fakes with good steel I might be tempted to get one.....but I'd prefer that the maker not try to make a "fake", but just one that was similar enough to perhaps he called a "replica".
 
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