Spyderco Manix 2 and Benchmade Griptillian - Next 2 test knives

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Knives are meant to cut, not withstand specific abuse.

Look at the Kershaw leek. Show me a knife that cuts better. The tip of that knife is very fragile, yet it cuts like a laser.

So basically we are reviewing a folding knife in place of a folding prybar?

Maybe next we can try and see how well a can opener works as a saw?


-Freq
 
By the way, since some people here don't get it, a strong lock does not impede cutting performance.
A strong lock does not change the blade geometry, turning it into a prybar.
A strong lock acts like, well, a lock.:eek: That's it.
The whole "prybar" debate is a whole other one, and has NOTHING to do with the strength of the lock.
 
That's absolutely not true though. A folding knife is designed for one thing, and one thing only. To save space, compared to a fixed blade. No sheath required. That's it, nothing more. If space/pocket-ability was no issue folding pocket knives would never exist.

So tell me how it makes sense, to overbuild a folding knife so that it can withstand abusive tests that the tool was never designed for in the first place? Why do I want a big heavy lock 8oz or heavier folder when I can buy a fixed blade that will be infinitely stronger, and lighter weight?
The CS AL weighs 4.5 oz. Let's not exaggerate, just to try and make a point. What I said holds true: You CAN make a folder that does everything a folder should, and that DOESN'T fold when you don't want it to.

Let's be honest, all these knives are tough.
Yeah, let's indeed be honest. They're all tough. Some are just a lot tougher than others, and fans of the 'others' have trouble accepting that. Had the roles been reversed, the fans would have been jumping with joy, extolling their brand.
There's honest for ya. :rolleyes:

You have to sit on top of a log for minutes at a time specifically trying to make their mechanisms fail on order to get them to do so. In the real world, this really wouldn't happen.
Read back on how this test came about. Cold Steel claims the AL is a hard use folder, and someone decided to take them up on that. The knife passed.
Then someone else sponsored two other folders, to be subjected to the same tests. One failed miserably, and the other kinda survived, but not intact.

You know how they test cars? Drugs? Make-up? Shampoo? All those tests are not 100% realistic. They're still fairly representative of actual conditions IRL. Regardless, those tests will have to suffice. Do your own if you think they can be improved upon.

For instance: You can go out and put an iPhone in a blender. Will it blend? Eventually. But when it does, are you going to compare it to how well the HTC EVO or some other phone blends, and then decide to buy the phone based off that test? You'd probably say "only an idiot would do that." I think its the same thing here.
Your previous argument were just incorrect, this one is plain disingenuous. Ankerson's tests consisted of tasks that may well be required of a knife, apart from the spine whacks and overstrikes - but these simulate other aspects of knife use.
Blending a cellphone has zero relation to what that phone was designed for.

FYI I've gone back to slip joints, and this past weekend I used one incredibly hard. It took the punishment just fine. No missing fingers, nothing. But then again, I used the knife hard, as a knife, to make fire. I didn't stick it in a tree and use it as a diving board.
Good for you. You use knives differently from Ankerson. I'm sure Ankerson is fine with that. Why can't the reverse be said of you?
 
What can we deduce from this mechanism?
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Here's a movie. ;)
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I don't understand why Cold Steel gets dragged in this. They make the most unappealing knives and most would agree.

Please focus on the Manix2 and the BM.
 
I go away for a few hours and the tread exploded. :eek: :D

Thanks to everyone for their comments. :thumbup:
 
I really hope to hear more about the CBBL, I just recently bought a manix2, and I use my folders pretty hard.
 
I really hope to hear more about the CBBL, I just recently bought a manix2, and I use my folders pretty hard.

Don't let your pivot get loose and you have nothing to worry about. Once horizontal play developed from twisting out while cutting wood the test should have been stopped and the pivot tightened. Continuing under the guise of "keeping it fair" proved absolutely nothing and was a waste of a good knife.
 
Don't let your pivot get loose and you have nothing to worry about. Once horizontal play developed from twisting out while cutting wood the test should have been stopped and the pivot tightened. Continuing under the guise of "keeping it fair" proved absolutely nothing and was a waste of a good knife.

Agreed... let's be fair. The bulk of the people that I've run across have never maintained their knives... never even thought about disassembling, tightening, adding locktight... etc.
I'm a fidgeter and tinkerer by default so this will never be an issue for me.
Most people that I know aren't fidgeters and tinkerers and would simply buy a new knife when it became too rickety.
I think the test is good for the bulk of the populace, not the freaks like us.

me and my 2 cents
 
Don't let your pivot get loose and you have nothing to worry about. Once horizontal play developed from twisting out while cutting wood the test should have been stopped and the pivot tightened. Continuing under the guise of "keeping it fair" proved absolutely nothing and was a waste of a good knife.

So you wanted me to stop and slant the test in favor of the Manix 2 then? ;)

I didn't tighten the screws on any of the knives...

That's also including the Strider RW-1, ZT 0301 and Black Rhino that I beat the heck out of. ;)

But I should have stopped and tightened up the Manix 2..... LOL
 
Knives are meant to cut, not withstand specific abuse.

Look at the Kershaw leek. Show me a knife that cuts better. The tip of that knife is very fragile, yet it cuts like a laser.

So basically we are reviewing a folding knife in place of a folding prybar?

Maybe next we can try and see how well a can opener works as a saw?


-Freq

The Caly 3 is the best slicer I have ever had on factory edge.
 
So you wanted me to stop and slant the test in favor of the Manix 2 then? ;)

I didn't tighten the screws on any of the knives...

That's also including the Strider RW-1, ZT 0301 and Black Rhino that I beat the heck out of. ;)

But I should have stopped and tightened up the Manix 2..... LOL


You want to make claims about a lock, then test the lock. LOL who wouldn't adjust their pivot screw. ;);););););););)

If you drive down the road and get a flat tire do you just keep driving? And would fixing the tire say anything about the engine under the hood? Would it somehow then favor the amount of horsepower of the engine to fix the flat? That rationale makes no sense and like I said proves nothing about the actual lock which is what you were supposed to be testing according to your praise of the Triad LOCK.
 
You want to make claims about a lock, then test the lock. LOL who wouldn't adjust their pivot screw. ;);););););););)

If you drive down the road and get a flat tire do you just keep driving? And would fixing the tire say anything about the engine under the hood? Would it somehow then favor the amount of horsepower of the engine to fix the flat? That rationale makes no sense and like I said proves nothing about the actual lock which is what you were supposed to be testing according to your praise of the Triad LOCK.

It's a knife test... ;)

The lock is just part of it.
 
I love these tests, its nice to know what these different knives can handle despite all the crap and opinions everyone has on the companies, materials, different locks, blade steels.. I think some people got slapped in the face watching these..

With the 3 different tips on these blades, manix2, lawman, grip, its obvious as thin as the grip and manix tips are that prying jobs are a NO NO..

I look at the quality to price point ratio, in overall toughness the Lawman wins hands down.

A more equal test would have been if the blades were the exact same thickness. A thick piece of AUS8A vs. a thick piece of 154CM. The outcome may have been different.

As far as the locks go, the ball lock design obviously can't handle this kind of use, it is flawed and needs improvement, if not, then just save it for when you need to cut string, paper, or Johnny Dirtbag, anything more than that is at your own risk..

The price of these knives are pretty close so, If I have to pick one based on my needs I would choose the Lawman with the Grip close behind. The manix2 is way down the on the list and not just because of this test, but because of spyderco in general. Some of their designs are awesome, yet some aren't worth the price and the blades are to thin. Just like the Paramilitary they say is rated "Hard Use", what a JOKE, the tip on that thing is paper thin, it would be great for stabbing someone, as long as you didn't break the tip on bone. But it is a slicer, no doubt..
 
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