Spyderco Manix 2 and Benchmade Griptillian - Next 2 test knives

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For me, this test is just a milestone and a very valid point in the argument of "strong folder" against "pre-broken". The fact that someone did design and manufacture a folder that can take that kind of "use" is a step towards stronger and more robust production folders for the people who want them.

For the people who don't want or need strong folders, they can vote with their dollars and not buy these kinds. They should also stop trying to tell us that only fixed blades should be for hard use because we hard use people don't tell fixed blade people to get folders for their light use jobs.
 
singularity35 said:
Here's a link for the guys that are not convinced. I think Ankerson was quite fair and very credible, but if his manix 2 was a fluke, i'd be happy since I have a manix2 as well. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93B1mG1H1ck
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I think this video emphasizes the need for a way to deliver a controlled spine-whack. Maybe some wrist-weights and a "gravity" fall from a specified height?

The reason I say this is because, while just seeing the video is not a great way to judge, those spine-whacks seemed very light compared to the ones that Ankerson was delivering. Seemed to be more focused on delivering a lot of them, and with the bare hands I could see why one would be timid.

Also, is the video of the CS knife already up somewhere, I can't seem to find it
 
KennyB said:
I think this video emphasizes the need for a way to deliver a controlled spine-whack. Maybe some wrist-weights and a "gravity" fall from a specified height?

The reason I say this is because, while just seeing the video is not a great way to judge, those spine-whacks seemed very light compared to the ones that Ankerson was delivering. Seemed to be more focused on delivering a lot of them, and with the bare hands I could see why one would be timid.

Also, is the video of the CS knife already up somewhere, I can't seem to find it
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That'd be a good idea. A gadget to standardize spine whacks.
 
KennyB said:
I think this video emphasizes the need for a way to deliver a controlled spine-whack. Maybe some wrist-weights and a "gravity" fall from a specified height?

The reason I say this is because, while just seeing the video is not a great way to judge, those spine-whacks seemed very light compared to the ones that Ankerson was delivering. Seemed to be more focused on delivering a lot of them, and with the bare hands I could see why one would be timid.

Also, is the video of the CS knife already up somewhere, I can't seem to find it
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Link to other thread is in Post #1. :)

Or follow the link in my Sig. :)
 
I'm feeling really good about possibly buying another fixed blade right now. :) I hope Sal chimes in on this.
 
Thank you for your work to provide us with your excellent vids, Jim. :thumbup:

I think that all the consternation about the tip breakage, lock failure and the validity of the tests, is highly misplaced. When you look at the tip profile and width of the three knives and given the particular test, I would have been surprised if the tip of the Spyderco and Benchmade didn't break.To use a vehicle analogy here, we are trying to compare two sports cars to a Hummer. Only one has been designed to take the extreme treatment of a harsh environment. Does this mitigate against the validity of the design of a sports car? I don't think so.

Where the caged ball lock is concerned, the failure of one sample is statistically meaningless. Now, if 5 in 50 failed, well, Houston, we have a problem. The only conclusion that we can correctly arrive at, is that the particular ball lock in that single sample failed. There is statistically zero evidence that a design flaw exists. Manufacturing defect? Perhaps, but design flaw, no.

Throughout all of this thread, it is important to remember that we all have differing requirements in a knife. I have used an S90V Military quite effectively for bushcraft and the 'fragile' tip didn't break. Why? because if I am carving a spoon, I know to cross check my cuts to take out small squares at a time. I am aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the knife design and proceed accordingly.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and sometimes a video is just a video. We would all do well to avoid a rush to judgement.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
the spine whack, or spine tap, or whatever one chooses to utilize, is to test lock reliability, not necessarily lock strength.

while it is unlikely that someone would intentionally use a folder by hitting the spine of the blade, it is possible to have the spine or some other portion strike something unintentionally.
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I want to know if the lock will hold if I hit something unintentionally. I don’t always carry a locking blade, sometimes a slip joint will do. But if I carry a locking folder, I want to know what I can reasonably expect.

Rafael
 
FlaMtnBkr said:
Now it's a knife test when before all the claims and praise were for the Triad lock? Like I said, a pivot coming loose says nothing about the strength of the lock, or the knife if that is how you now want to phrase it now.

Again, do you get a flat tire and keep driving down the road? I doubt it.
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But it IS relevant who got the flat first. And remember, they got the flat as a result of the test, not as a random event.
Now your analogy makes sense. ;)
 
rycen said:
Was this question addressed?
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Yeah I did. ;)

After I finished the video I tightened the screws and went back out to see if it got any better.

It still failed...

I hit the knife 4 times, it failed the spine whack twice then on the last hit the lock blew up. That is when I shot the photos of it jammed open.

Was the knife defective?

I don't know....

Until I hear back From Spyderco I won't know anything, I sent Sal Glesser a message asking if he wanted the knife to inspect it...... ;)

I haven't heard back from him yet...
 
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myowngod said:
Very surprised to see the lock fail on the Manix.. I carry an izula on days when I might need a "hard use" knife, but the manix2 was my go-to harduse folder.... Interested to see a diagnosis as to why exactly it failed...
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The manix 2 is by no means a bad knife xD I got a green sprint one and am very impressed with the action/machanism...
I don't think they took Ankerson's forearms into account while they were designing it :D
 
NRaiano said:
The manix 2 is by no means a bad knife xD I got a green sprint one and am very impressed with the action/machanism...
I don't think they took Ankerson's forearms into account while they were designing it :D
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I didn't beat it that hard. :D

There are no marks on the knives spine at all. :)

Other than the broken lock, missing tip and a few light scratches on the blade were I was cutting the wood it still looks new.
 
jackthedog said:
Thanks for doing the tests, I couldn't bring myself to try it.

I realize this might come off as a bit of a "noob" question, but I'm still a bit new to knives. What is a situation where a knife would be utilized and be forced to withstand a spine whack?

Thanks again.
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I could bring myself to do the spine whacking and mine did not fail or develop any blade play.

Those spine whacks that Ankerson did in my opinion were very light and the lock should not have even come close to failing, an accidental slip while using the knife with a full grip can easily generate more force if the spine hit something hard.

My thoughts are the Manix 2 used was defective.
 
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