Spyderco Manix 2 and Benchmade Griptillian - Next 2 test knives

[myowngod]

but did you do the spine whacking after some batoning?

 

[greater]

No I did not baton first however that type of a locking mechanism if working properly would not fail without breaking the entire knife as in fracturing, cracking, extreme bending of the frame etc...

The area around the pivot should be ripped apart before the lock can fail.

People can debate all they want about early lockup being alright or whatever, but that thing was defective.

Whether it is due to a quality control issue (if so I hope this is just a fluke) or not, I do not know, but that lock did not function like it was designed to.

Check the schematics and look at the online pictures of the Manix 2 apart.

 

[Ankerson]

You guys need to do some overstrikes really if you really want to test the lock, spine whacks are nothing compared to those.

They put a lot more stress on the lock than the spine whacks do.

I do both in all my current testing.

 

[flipe8]

One video is one video, good, bad, or other. I've always maintained fine tips have no place on "hard-use" knives, so a glaring weakspot like the tips should be addressed, IMO. I am quite impressed with the Triad-Lock, though, based on this and other videos out there. Taking a tried and true design and simply making it better is great. And while I'm still not a fan of CS, I'd certainly consider any offering with the Triad-Lock worth a look. My biggest observation is something else I've stated in the past, being how pleased I am to see hard-use knives that don't break the bank. Eventhough I happen to carry a CRK right now, I know, in my reality, I will avoid subjecting it to extremely hard use(outside of legitimate emergencies). Bravo to makers who see the need for "hard-use" tools for the average Joe, not just for the knife-knuts!

 

[bucktwofive]

Thanks for the video Ankerson! I love test videos.:thumbup:

It seems like some peoples definition of "hard use" is anything more strenuous than letter opening and bagel slicing.

 

[Bill1170]

Thank you to Ankerson for doing these tests. The results and videos of these tests have sure generated a whole lot of posts in a short time. Sure it is abuse, but abuse is the proper way to test a thing. Testing to failure.

The analogy to crash testing of cars is a valid one. We want to get the minivan that best protects the occupants in a crash, to protect our family. This does not mean that we drive with the intent to crash or that crashing is appropriate use of a minivan. We benefit as individuals and as a society from knowing the results of such testing. We are still free to choose the vehicle we like best when all is said and done.

I suspect that none of my folders would have survived Jim's tests. This does not annoy me at all; testing improves the breed. Third party testing is great because anybody can do it (although few actually test) and the tester is not beholden to the manufacturer.

 

[rodriguez7]

Well I used to be a cold steel fan, until I bought a spyderco manix 2. The fit and finish over all is much better on the spyder. But that wasnt even hard use on that manix, I use mine at work all the time, and use plenty hard hunting, and havent had a failure yet. I would still take the spyderco over cs, due to the fit and finish and quality of the knife. I am curious as to why it failed, looking at mine it doesnt look possible for that to happen without something major breaking inside. Or maybe a defective spring with not enough pressure. Still love my manix. But I did buy it to use it, and not worry about it taking off my fingers for any reason. Regardless of what anyone says, it shouldnt fail with that light of use.

 

[hardheart]

You guys need to do some overstrikes really if you really want to test the lock, spine whacks are nothing compared to those.

They put a lot more stress on the lock than the spine whacks do.

I do both in all my current testing.

Are you going to do videos of this with the Strider & ZT?

 

[Ankerson]

Are you going to do videos of this with the Strider & ZT?

I tested them both already once.

This one would be easier on both of them that the last tests that I did on the RW-1, ZT 0301, Black Rhino, and Rajah 1, those are all on video.

I still can though, but it would be a piece of cake for them. :thumbup:

 

[Eric Glesser]

Interesting "hard use test." Can you send in the knife? Please send the knife in without any further adjustments? Thx much –Eric

 

[Ankerson]

Interesting "hard use test." Can you send in the knife? Please send the knife in without any further adjustments? Thx much –Eric

I can send it in to you no problem.

I have done nothing to the knife at all in any form of adjustments othen that as I posted before about tightning up the screws some..

Let me the know the Address etc to send it to.

 

[philwar]

WI am curious as to why it failed, looking at mine it doesnt look possible for that to happen without something major breaking inside.

I think the Manix II is just too fancy. It's too complicated, too many things can go wrong. I like mine a lot, but it (like most Spyderco's) looks and feels fragile compared to most CS knives, as well as many others. That is not a criticism per se, because I am convinced Spyderco favours these designs, and could easily make very tough folders if they chose to.

Or maybe a defective spring with not enough pressure.

Most Spyderco fans have suggested this. I guess it's possible that of all the Manixes Ankerson could have tested, THIS one had to be defective.
Just highly unlikely isn't it?

Still love my manix.

I do too. The 1 quite a bit more than the 2.

But I did buy it to use it, and not worry about it taking off my fingers for any reason. Regardless of what anyone says, it shouldnt fail with that light of use.

It's not about what anyone says. What matters is, do you accept the results of the tests, and if so, what are the implications (if any) for you and other Manix II users?

 

[Ankerson]

Are you going to do videos of this with the Strider & ZT?

I just finished retesting the Strider SmF RW-1 in the new format. :thumbup:

Video will be up later on today.

But then we are talking a whole differnt price point here and a tank.

 

[rodriguez7]

You think the manix feels fragile compared to cold steel? Im opposite here. Mine feels solid and all my cold steel folders feel cheaply made. They may have upgraded now with this new line, but I had an old ak-47, 2 large voyagers, and 2 recon 1's, I prefer my spyders to all of them. They are all good, I just feel my manix is a better knife, more heart put into it I guess. Eric built a beautiful knife. It sucks it failed, but mine hasnt. Its way more solid than my cs's. But then again I dont have a tri ad lock. Just the older ones. I bet a chinook would hold up fine. I'll continue to use the hell out of mine. If it fails my outlook may change.

 

[JNewell]

It's not about what anyone says. What matters is, do you accept the results of the tests, and if so, what are the implications (if any) for you and other Manix II users?

I accept the test. The implication is only to confirm that I will continue to use my folders as I always have - treating them all as if they were slipjoints. If I need an impact tool, I'll find something else.

In my mind the tip breakage is a totally different issue. Tips, and the rest of the blade, are what they are. You buy what you need. With a little variation for steel and heat treatment and grind, thinner means weaker. It isn't like different lock designs, where you can't really reach conclusions based on solely on physical dimensions and design.

 

[Ankerson]

Interesting "hard use test." Can you send in the knife? Please send the knife in without any further adjustments? Thx much –Eric

I guess I should just send it to the Golden CO address and ATT to you right?

 

[philwar]

I accept the test. The implication is only to confirm that I will continue to use my folders as I always have - treating them all as if they were slipjoints. If I need an impact tool, I'll find something else.

Fair enough.

In my mind the tip breakage is a totally different issue. Tips, and the rest of the blade, are what they are. You buy what you need. With a little variation for steel and heat treatment and grind, thinner means weaker. It isn't like different lock designs, where you can't really reach conclusions based on solely on physical dimensions and design.

Agreed. Thin sharp tips are great for some purposes, and suck for others. I tried to dig a splinter out of my fingertip with an XM-18. Couldn't do it. Any of my Spyderco's could have, it was the Manix I in this case. So I have no issue with fragile (relatively) tips, in fact they're indispensable sometimes.

 

[Ankerson]

I shot the Strider SmF RW-1 and New 2010 Recon 1 (Clip Point Blade) hard use test videos today. :thumbup:

 

[jill jackson]

I pretty well have always accepted my ZT 0300 is probably stronger than any other folder I own. That really never made me think it was better, just different and great for some tasks and not so great at others.

 

[Ankerson]

I pretty well have always accepted my ZT 0300 is probably stronger than any other folder I own. That really never made me think it was better, just different and great for some tasks and not so great at others.

Yeah it's a real tank of a knife. :thumbup: